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[legbamel]

TripLight wrote...
I am still of the opinion that the whole of Kirkwall should have been nuked from orbit...my Hawke hated that ****hole. But  No! Mom had to have her childhood home and relive days long past....the only reason she stayed that long was for that pretty mage in Darktown with a penchant for kittens, self-deprecation, and ultimately self-sacrifice, no matter how misguided.

My Hawkes stay in Kirkwall because they grew up on a farm in freaking Lothering.  Even with the blood mages and psychotic Templars it was a big step up, and she gets servants and plenty to do to boot.  Had she only realized that snatching the prince and taking him to Starkhaven at the beginning of Act 2 would have been so much less angsty and bloody she'd have done that instead. 
Dangit! 

Modifié par legbamel, 01 mai 2011 - 06:32 .

[TripLight]

legbamel wrote...

TripLight wrote...
I am still of the opinion that the whole of Kirkwall should have been nuked from orbit...my Hawke hated that ****hole. But  No! Mom had to have her childhood home and relive days long past....the only reason she stayed that long was for that pretty mage in Darktown with a penchant for kittens, self-deprecation, and ultimately self-sacrifice, no matter how misguided.

My Hawkes stay in Kirkwall because they grew up on a farm in freaking Lothering.  Even with the blood mages and psychotic Templars it was a big step up, and she gets servants and plenty to do to boot.  Had she only realized that snatching the prince and taking him to Starkhaven at the beginning of Act 2 would have been so much less angsty and bloody she'd have done that instead. 

My Hawke would have been happy with a single room cottage with Anders, in or around one of the thicker forests of Ferelden, next to a trickling brooke,. Her vegetable garden and Anders woodpile would have been glorious!

[Jean]

Buh.
Every time it came up I took the chance to say how much I Hawke wanted to go back to Ferelden.

[YamiSnuffles]

Batteries wrote...

Buh.
Every time it came up I took the chance to say how much I Hawke wanted to go back to Ferelden.

Same here. At least with my canon Hawke.

Fenris: Why do you remain here?
Hawke: Game won't let me go!
Arishok: Why are you in Kirkwall?
Hawke: The plot is like your Qun; I must submit to its demands.
King Alistair: Do you still consider Ferelden home?
Hawke: Yes! Take me with yooooouuuuuu!!

And so on. Really, the only way I can RP it to make sense is that Anders refused to leave and got paranoid enough that he always caught when Hawke was trying to drug him to knock him out. Or something.

[TripLight]

ElleMullineux wrote...

My Hawke was Kirkwall through and through - she just has a thing for crazy.

I wonder how the dwarf's and the lyrium supply will affect the outcome of the war? Will they pick a side or will they be Switzerland? Will the isolationist king in Orzamaar be a better ally for the mages or would the more liberal king? If the templars have less lyrium do mages (with the possiblity of blood magic as well) stand a better chance?

Bhelen Vs. The Chantry....with Kal-Shirok involvement....I would have to see this...DEVS we need this in DA3

[Ninche]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Buh.
Every time it came up I took the chance to say how much I Hawke wanted to go back to Ferelden.

Same here. At least with my canon Hawke.

Fenris: Why do you remain here?
Hawke: Game won't let me go!
Arishok: Why are you in Kirkwall?
Hawke: The plot is like your Qun; I must submit to its demands.
King Alistair: Do you still consider Ferelden home?
Hawke: Yes! Take me with yooooouuuuuu!!

And so on. Really, the only way I can RP it to make sense is that Anders refused to leave and got paranoid enough that he always caught when Hawke was trying to drug him to knock him out. Or something.

Hahaha ^^ Aww so he actually has a reason to be paranoid. Good to know. 

[dpMeggers]

Batteries wrote...

Buh.
Every time it came up I took the chance to say how much I Hawke wanted to go back to Ferelden.

My Hawke couldn't stand Kirkwall, but felt that with her family gone there wasn't anything left for her in Ferelden either. She would have cheerfully just gone nomad and wandered from the Free Marches to Rivain and back for fun if Anders had wanted to leave.

[YamiSnuffles]

ElleMullineux wrote...

My Hawke was Kirkwall through and through - she just has a thing for crazy.

I wonder how the dwarf's and the lyrium supply will affect the outcome of the war? Will they pick a side or will they be Switzerland? Will the isolationist king in Orzamaar be a better ally for the mages or would the more liberal king? If the templars have less lyrium do mages (with the possiblity of blood magic as well) stand a better chance?

Bhelen seems like the type, to me, to try to profit off the mage/Templar war as much as possible. Either by selling Lyrium at ridiculous prices or offering sole supply of lyrium to the highest bidder. In this case, it seems like it would be the Chantry as they likely have way more money than the mages. So the Templars could probably stay well stocked. Unless, of course, Bhelen decides he wants the Chantry overthrown too. After Origins one of the epilogues mentioned the possibility of a Divine March on Orzimmar. I don't think any dwarf will be too keen on that so it might be enough to push them into war against the Chantry as well.

It would be interesting to see just who would side with the Templars or mages. You'd think, if forced into the conflict as well, the Dalish would side with the mages at any rate. You know, since they have their own mages, believe all Elves once had magic, and all that.

Modifié par YamiSnuffles, 01 mai 2011 - 07:03 .

[MG800]

TripLight wrote...

I am still of the opinion that the whole of Kirkwall should have been nuked from orbit...my Hawke hated that ****hole. But  No! Mom had to have her childhood home and relive days long past....the only reason she stayed that long was for that pretty mage in Darktown with a penchant for kittens, self-deprecation, and ultimately self-sacrifice, no matter how misguided.

Yeah, this place should burn, long before our Hawkes set their foot in it. 
But then, where else we'll be poking crazy people? There's no Sigil in Dragon Age world.

dpMeggers wrote...
My Hawke couldn't stand Kirkwall, but felt that with her family gone there wasn't anything left for her in Ferelden either. She would have cheerfully just gone nomad and wandered from the Free Marches to Rivain and back for fun if Anders had wanted to leave.

Going nomad. I like the idea - and at least one of my Hawkes would like it too (bloody apostate, tying everyone down ).

Modifié par MG800, 01 mai 2011 - 07:15 .

[YamiSnuffles]

Because this page doesn't have enough Anders on it:

by sessie

[Poetics124]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

ElleMullineux wrote...

My Hawke was Kirkwall through and through - she just has a thing for crazy.

I wonder how the dwarf's and the lyrium supply will affect the outcome of the war? Will they pick a side or will they be Switzerland? Will the isolationist king in Orzamaar be a better ally for the mages or would the more liberal king? If the templars have less lyrium do mages (with the possiblity of blood magic as well) stand a better chance?

Bhelen seems like the type, to me, to try to profit off the mage/Templar war as much as possible. Either by selling Lyrium at ridiculous prices or offering sole supply of lyrium to the highest bidder. In this case, it seems like it would be the Chantry as they likely have way more money than the mages. So the Templars could probably stay well stocked. Unless, of course, Bhelen decides he wants the Chantry overthrown too. After Origins one of the epilogues mentioned the possibility of a Divine March on Orzimmar. I don't think any dwarf will be too keen on that so it might be enough to push them into war against the Chantry as well.

It would be interesting to see just who would side with the Templars or mages. You'd think, if forced into the conflict as well, the Dalish would side with the mages at any rate. You know, since they have their own mages, believe all Elves once had magic, and all that.

Well I think it would be easy to say that more than likely Fereldan would side with the mages, especially if their champion was a mage.  Alistair seemed keen on that path when Hawke talked to him and he was already balking at Templar interference in Fereldan when it came to apostates and the Fereldan Circle.  I could honestly see him taking in mage refugees and protecting them under his banner. 

Dalish and other elves would probably join up too as they have bones to pick with the chantry as well and they don't like being seen as slaves of human kind. 

I think the Dwarves would depend on who is supplying the most money.   I could see them playing both sides until they felt the Chantry was going too far.  

The ones to watch however are Tenvinter and the quanri. 

I must say I am very curious how things in the chantry are going to fall out.  I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware gives us deeper glimpse into the world of the Divine and models it after the Rennaisance popes and their craziness.

[mellifera]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Because this page doesn't have enough Anders on it:

by sessie

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[highcastle]

Mm, I seem to be in the minority of Hawkes who embraced Kirkwall whole-heartedly. My canon Hawke hated the rustic village life. As an apostate, he had to be super careful not to stand out, especially with the village chantry and the templars stationed there. Cities provide more of a chance to get lost in the crowd while still getting ahead. He liked the energy of the city compared to Lothering, and he made friends fast while he'd always been something of an outsider back in Ferelden. Meeting Anders just cemented it for him, and by the endgame he found himself listening to Aveline and Sebastian, trying to get involved in politics. He wanted to make the city a better place for mages and thought he stood a chance at doing so...until Anders blew up the Chantry.

Dammit, Anders, why'd you have to go and move my Vetinari-like machinations? I totally could have been viscount? But no, you have to go and blow up the Chantry. Guess we're fugitives now... *sigh*

[Ryzaki]

I can't see the dalish helping the mages unless the mages prove they have a chance of winning. They've already been stung by the Chantry once. I don't see them going ahead unless they have a sure gameplan.

Bhelen..he's a bit of a toss up.

I don't see Harrowmont helping at all. Too much infighting going on for that.
And I don't see Fereldan helping either. Too many people were afraid of mages when I was playing for me to think they'd be pro mages running around freely. Alistair might and some of the commoners might sympathise of mages helped with the blight...but due to the nature of the landsmeet Alistair might have a bit of a fight on his hands if he's gonna try to support the mages. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 mai 2011 - 07:23 .

[dpMeggers]

Bhelen is the type to sell to both sides. It's someone else's war and he gets to make a ton of profit. Although because the Chantry controls the lyrium trade officially, he might want to see them overthrown so he doesn't lose as much coin to the smugglers. I don't think this would extend to him actually helping. Well not officially. He's a subtle schemer.

I feel like the Dalish would stay out of it unless they were provoked. It's a war between humans and flatears, it's not their fight. If the Chantry started attacking them however, I think they would join the mages, but that's less because of a belief in the cause and more because "the enemy of mine enemy."

I think the armies of Orlais, Nevarra and Starkhaven (if Sebastian manages to take it back) will join the Chantry. Orlais and Nevarra because they seem very devout and Starkhaven because of Choirboy. Ferelden under Alistair (especially with a mage Hero) may just try to stay out of it, and hide apostates on the sly. [/speculation]

Modifié par dpMeggers, 01 mai 2011 - 07:37 .

[Nyreen]

Ninche wrote…

Anywho, my personal favourite comparison is with Howl from Howl's moving castle. He is a blond mage (who sort of made a deal with a demon/spirit) AND who just wants to be free. ^^ And I can't get the image of Anders with a patchy pink-gray cloak and green earrings out of my head!

Oh. My. God. <3

I'm speechless. 

[SurelyForth]

I like the idea of Alistair being all "**** it. Ferelden is for mages!" and then ALL the mages show up to help Ferelden hold off an Orlesian invasion...and then whatever ****** country tries to invade after that.

And then...Alistair encourages non-mages to start breeding with mages in the hopes that, eventually, almost everyone will have magic, thus making Sandal's prophecy come true, for Ferelden, at least? IDK. I just think it would be awesome if Ferelden ended up being super important, because I sort of love it and hate hearing the dumb-ass Kirkwall drunks rag on it. Also, it has some sort of super secret hero breeding facility. Apparently. What other country can claim that?

Modifié par SurelyForth, 01 mai 2011 - 07:43 .

[Ryzaki]

dpMeggers wrote...

Bhelen is the type to sell to both sides. It's someone else's war and he gets to make a ton of profit. Although because the Chantry controls the lyrium trade officially, he might want to see them overthrown so he doesn't lose as much coin to the smugglers. I don't think this would extend to him actually helping. Well not officially. He's a subtle schemer.

I feel like the Dalish would stay out of it unless they were provoked. It's a war between humans and flatears, it's not their fight. If the Chantry started attacking them however, I think they would join the mages, but that's less because of a belief in the cause and more because "the enemy of mine enemy."

I think the armies of Orlais, Nevarra and Starkhaven (if Sebastian manages to take it back) will join the Chantry. Orlais and Nevarra because they seem very devout and Starkhaven because of Choirboy. Ferelden under Alistair (especially with a mage Hero) may just try to stay out of it, and hide apostates on the sly. [/speculation]

My issue with that is how much money would the mages have compared to the Chantry. Sure there's some rich mages but how many were completely cut off from their families, how many of their families don't want them nearby. Lyirum is not cheap. 

And agreed about the dalish and other countries. IDon't see Fereldan gettin involved unless they had something to gain. Especially not with Orlais breathing down their neck.  

[YamiSnuffles]

SurelyForth wrote...

I like the idea of Alistair being all "**** it. Ferelden is for mages!" and then ALL the mages show up to help Ferelden hold off an Orlesian invasion...and then whatever ****** country tries to invade after that.

And then...Alistair encourages non-mages to start breeding with mages in the hopes that, eventually, almost everyone will have magic, thus making Sandal's prophecy come true, for Ferelden, at least? IDK. I just think it would be awesome if Ferelden ended up being super important, because I sort of love it and hate hearing the dumb-ass Kirkwall drunks rag on it. Also, it has some sort of super secret hero breeding facility. Apparently. What other country can claim that?

This would be awesome. This could also explain where the Warden and Hawke went. They disappeared to take part (with their LIs) in the super secret, underground Ferelden hero breeding facility. Thus a new generation of magical heroes will arise.

[kromify]

all of thedas totally needs a separation of church and state.

now i sound american. tch

[kromify]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

I like the idea of Alistair being all "**** it. Ferelden is for mages!" and then ALL the mages show up to help Ferelden hold off an Orlesian invasion...and then whatever ****** country tries to invade after that.

And then...Alistair encourages non-mages to start breeding with mages in the hopes that, eventually, almost everyone will have magic, thus making Sandal's prophecy come true, for Ferelden, at least? IDK. I just think it would be awesome if Ferelden ended up being super important, because I sort of love it and hate hearing the dumb-ass Kirkwall drunks rag on it. Also, it has some sort of super secret hero breeding facility. Apparently. What other country can claim that?

This would be awesome. This could also explain where the Warden and Hawke went. They disappeared to take part (with their LIs) in the super secret, underground Ferelden hero breeding facility. Thus a new generation of magical heroes will arise.

oh, look. the da3 protagonist is another Amell!

[TripLight]

SurelyForth wrote...

I like the idea of Alistair being all "**** it. Ferelden is for mages!" and the ALL the mages show up and help Ferelden hold off an Orlesian invasion...and then whatever ****** country tries to invade after that.

And then...Alistair encourages non-mages to start breeding with mages in the hopes that, eventually, almost everyone will have magic, thus making Sandal's prophecy come true, for Ferelden, at least? IDK. I just think it would be awesome if Ferelden ended up being super important, because I sort of love it and hate hearing the dumb-ass Kirkwall drunks rag on it. Also, it has some sort of super secret hero breeding facility. Apparently. What other country has that?

Oh this, I was literally getting pissed off whenever my Hawke was called a "jumped-up dog-lord" and the like, then I would yell at my screen "A dog-lord stopped the blight, you ass!".  I had to stop the game to calm myself and realize it's "just a game":lol:. Andraste was Ferelden, but you don't see the masses ragging on her<_<.

DAO made me fall in love with Ferelden, and Kirkwall was a horrible substitute that had me longing for the mud and muck.  And face it everywhere in and around Kirkwall looks the same, no unique building styles or landscapes, or caves.

Also when you go to Kirkwall, I was pretty surprised that there is an actual difference between Free Marchers and Fereldens, in personality and manners.

I know, I know game mechanics and story telling, let me have my ranting and my Ferelden.

[Ninche]

Celestina wrote...

Ninche wrote…

Anywho, my personal favourite comparison is with Howl from Howl's moving castle. He is a blond mage (who sort of made a deal with a demon/spirit) AND who just wants to be free. ^^ And I can't get the image of Anders with a patchy pink-gray cloak and green earrings out of my head!

-image snip snap-

Oh. My. God. <3

I'm speechless. 

I did this super quick and messy drawing of HowlAnders right after: invisibleside.deviantart.com/#/d3fbtu9