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[Amondra]

Ryzaki wrote...

Amondra wrote...
I see it as equal amounts of both?  He wants the world to pay for what he has been through no matter what he has said in game saying it isn't about him.  It is about him!  He is a mage and he has seen and experienced some horrid things.  But also about the freedom.  So some little boy for girl right now hiding in her parents basement praying the templars never find her, will not go through what he did or worse.  I see his vengeance as the batman kind.  

I swear I will always see Anders as a type of Batman >_< only difference is Anders is willing to kill.

Also OMG about the cat basically saving Anders from the Rage Demon is...just... It is canon for me too, I hope you don't mind.

Yeah I see that. Though didn't the original Batman do some pretty morally grey things? I believe he watched someone get raped...or was it killed to prove a crime. I can't really remember which...

I can't remember but I believe you might be right.  Been a while since I read some Batman.  Aslo Punisher, Anders reminds me of the Punisher too..

Okay Justice reminds me of the Punisher lol.

edit for top and some happiness!

Modifié par Amondra, 02 mai 2011 - 08:07 .

[Threeparts]

Amondra wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Amondra wrote...

I sorta feel the the writers haven't decided how the Fade and all that fun works...I mean the Dailish can send none mages there and from the looks without lyrium...why arn't they running the circle?

Jowan can send mages into the fade without Lyrium. Why isn't he running the circle?

And for reference, they didn't enter spiritually, it was a physical entry they alledgedly achieved.

What I meant was simply they did it without blood or lyrium and to bring none mages in.  That is a feat to be hold.  Stuff like that the circle could benifit from.

Also I don't think it was physical as the Keeper says "your friend woke up some time ago."

The physical entry is referring to what the Tevinter magi managed with the Golden/Black City, and what I'm thinking they were trying to recreate below Kirkwall.

Given the size of the sacrifices that could have taken place, and the fact that there's a source of lyrium nearby (as we saw in the Deep Roads), that is an incredible amount of power they could have used. If only a hundred slaves were sacrificed to send the magisters physically into the home of the Maker, imagine what they could have done with two thousand.

All sorts of thoughts are bubbling away in my skull right now: were they trying to recreate the Fade in reality? Were they trying to send the entire city through so that Kirkwall could replace or become a rival to the Golden City? Tevinters seem to have a talent for hubris, after all. Is the sheer amount of blood magic that could have been performed there related to why lyrium near Kirkwall is red? How much did they actually succeed?

[aquaticidioticus]

Ryzaki wrote...

Amondra wrote...
I see it as equal amounts of both?  He wants the world to pay for what he has been through no matter what he has said in game saying it isn't about him.  It is about him!  He is a mage and he has seen and experienced some horrid things.  But also about the freedom.  So some little boy for girl right now hiding in her parents basement praying the templars never find her, will not go through what he did or worse.  I see his vengeance as the batman kind.  

I swear I will always see Anders as a type of Batman >_< only difference is Anders is willing to kill.

Also OMG about the cat basically saving Anders from the Rage Demon is...just... It is canon for me too, I hope you don't mind.

Yeah I see that. Though didn't the original Batman do some pretty morally grey things? I believe he watched someone get killed so he could prove a crime. I can't really remember though...

I like this Batman comparison.

Some favorite quotes that remind me of Ander/Justice:

"I seek … the means to fight injustice. To turn fear against those who prey on the fearful."

"People need dramatic examples to shake them out of apathy, and I can't do that as Bruce Wayne. As a man, I'm flesh and blood. I can be ignored, I can be destroyed. But as a symbol … as a symbol, I can be incorruptible. I can be everlasting."

Link, in case anyone feels the need to further investigate: http://en.wikiquote....i/Batman_Begins

[Ryzaki]

Amondra wrote...
I can't remember but I believe you might be right.  Been a while since I read some Batman.  Aslo Punisher, Anders reminds me of the Punisher too..

Okay Justice reminds me of the Punisher lol.

edit for top and some happiness!

Ugh. I really wish I could remember what it was. :/ 

Though...I've died twice and no one has yet to cry out for Hawke. Bunch of jerks. 

[Amondra]

Ryzaki wrote...

Amondra wrote...
I can't remember but I believe you might be right.  Been a while since I read some Batman.  Aslo Punisher, Anders reminds me of the Punisher too..

Okay Justice reminds me of the Punisher lol.

edit for top and some happiness!

Ugh. I really wish I could remember what it was. :/ 

Though...I've died twice and no one has yet to cry out for Hawke. Bunch of jerks. 

ROFL.  Trying to get their cries after Hawke dies?  I got Anders to do it once and I about fell out of my chair.

Fenris makes me laugh becuase it is like he is commanding you to not die LOL

[Amondra]

aquaticidioticus wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Amondra wrote...
I see it as equal amounts of both?  He wants the world to pay for what he has been through no matter what he has said in game saying it isn't about him.  It is about him!  He is a mage and he has seen and experienced some horrid things.  But also about the freedom.  So some little boy for girl right now hiding in her parents basement praying the templars never find her, will not go through what he did or worse.  I see his vengeance as the batman kind.  

I swear I will always see Anders as a type of Batman >_< only difference is Anders is willing to kill.

Also OMG about the cat basically saving Anders from the Rage Demon is...just... It is canon for me too, I hope you don't mind.

Yeah I see that. Though didn't the original Batman do some pretty morally grey things? I believe he watched someone get killed so he could prove a crime. I can't really remember though...

I like this Batman comparison.

Some favorite quotes that remind me of Ander/Justice:

"I seek … the means to fight injustice. To turn fear against those who prey on the fearful."

"People need dramatic examples to shake them out of apathy, and I can't do that as Bruce Wayne. As a man, I'm flesh and blood. I can be ignored, I can be destroyed. But as a symbol … as a symbol, I can be incorruptible. I can be everlasting."

Link, in case anyone feels the need to further investigate: http://en.wikiquote....i/Batman_Begins

He is Batman.  I mean look at his robe after Justice!  That is so Batman robe material there.

Also the last quote really made me think of Justice and Anders.  Like Isabela said, Justice is an idea.

[Ryzaki]

Amondra wrote...
ROFL.  Trying to get their cries after Hawke dies?  I got Anders to do it once and I about fell out of my chair.

Fenris makes me laugh becuase it is like he is commanding you to not die LOL

Yeah Anders is all "NO DON'T DIIEEEE!" So dramatic our Anders. 

And yeah Fenris' "I will not allow it!" is kind of...too late for that buddy. Unless you're gonna learn regroup. 

[Amondra]

Ryzaki wrote...

Amondra wrote...
ROFL.  Trying to get their cries after Hawke dies?  I got Anders to do it once and I about fell out of my chair.

Fenris makes me laugh becuase it is like he is commanding you to not die LOL

Yeah Anders is all "NO DON'T DIIEEEE!" So dramatic our Anders. 

And yeah Fenris' "I will not allow it!" is kind of...too late for that buddy. Unless you're gonna learn regroup. 

If Fenris at any point in the game casts regroup I am 1) taking a picture. 2) posting it here. 3) I will spend the rest of the day in a corner rethinking the game.

[Miri1984]

@Threeparts I'm totally obsessed with The Enigma Of Kirkwall. Please continue speculating. There was obviously some VERY DEEP **** going on there and I want to know what it was.

[Amondra]

 

I almost died laughing from this.  Oh Hawke has his work cut out for himself.

[Camilladilla]

Amondra wrote...

 

I almost died laughing from this.  Oh Hawke has his work cut out for himself.

Fenris has quite the... furry peen.

Regardless... LOL

[Amondra]

Camilladilla wrote...

Amondra wrote...

 

I almost died laughing from this.  Oh Hawke has his work cut out for himself.

Fenris has quite the... furry peen.

Regardless... LOL

I think his tail and carefully hiding his "sword."

Also who would have thought Hawke had a rape mode.

[Threeparts]

ElleMullineux wrote...

^^ This was it! Don't forget the bit of dialogue with Cullen, where he basically says that Elthina is stringing the mages along and that it's cruel as she'll always side with the Templars. I know Anders was in my group when Cullen told me that (I love seeing his disapproving face in the background) so in my headcannon he knows that the mages will have no support from the Chantry.

I think we need to treat the things Cullen says or thinks cautiously.
He thinks Elthina will side with the templars, and Gaider also says that Cullen believes the Divine would refuse the Annulment that Meredith sent off for. His words may very well have affected Anders and his actions, but we can't, as players, say that Cullen's knowledge and opinions were right or well-informed. He is Meredith's second, so he has more insight than we do, but he's also trying to be rational. He may have been right about the Divine refusing to approve the Right, just as he may have been wrong about Elthina siding with the templars over the mages.

Just think! Cullen, as the rational one! Kirkwall, what have you done?

[Amondra]

ElleMullineux wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

ElleMullineux wrote...

^^ This was it! Don't forget the bit of dialogue with Cullen, where he basically says that Elthina is stringing the mages along and that it's cruel as she'll always side with the Templars. I know Anders was in my group when Cullen told me that (I love seeing his disapproving face in the background) so in my headcannon he knows that the mages will have no support from the Chantry.

I think we need to treat the things Cullen says or thinks cautiously.
He thinks Elthina will side with the templars, and Gaider also says that Cullen believes the Divine would refuse the Annulment that Meredith sent off for. His words may very well have affected Anders and his actions, but we can't, as players, say that Cullen's knowledge and opinions were right or well-informed. He is Meredith's second, so he has more insight than we do, but he's also trying to be rational. He may have been right about the Divine refusing to approve the Right, just as he may have been wrong about Elthina siding with the templars over the mages.

Just think! Cullen, as the rational one! Kirkwall, what have you done?

I think were it not for the crazy Meredith idolfest he would be 100% right. The only way the outcome would have been different would be if someone twigged that she was carrying a sword of pure lyrium with red and white warning tape wrapped around the handle and a creepy skull pommel.   (Did the sword remind anyone else of the blade of mercy?)

Admittedly Cullen does seem to recognise that something isn't quite right, but he's seen what can happen when things go bad which is why I think he's willing to follow her quite as far as he did, unlike Thrask and numerous others who began to disagree with Merediths methods much earlier on.

I think the only way things would have ended differently is 1) Karl not made tranquil. 2) Elthina actually took a side and the mages at that.

If none of the above happens Anders would end up doing what he did, even if Hawke never ended up in Kirkwall.

[Threeparts]

Miri1984 wrote...

@Threeparts I'm totally obsessed with The Enigma Of Kirkwall. Please continue speculating. There was obviously some VERY DEEP **** going on there and I want to know what it was.

Here's some deep level mind-****ery for you, then.

What if the Veil in Kirkwall wasn't just thin? What if it was outright shredded, so wandering through kirkwall is like ducked through a beaded curtain, and you can never tell if you're in the Fade or reality?
What if half the things we experience in Kirkwall are manifestations of the citizen's dreams. What if the Qunari, for example, did not actually exist, but were a Fade manifestation of a unaware somniari's paranoiac dreams. What if that dreamer was actually Petrice, and when she was killed it stranded the dream-Qunari in the waking world, and they only believed they were stuck there due to the loss of their ships, when in fact the "ships" were just a symbol of the loss of the one who dreamed them into being, and being stranded in Kirkwall really meant they were stranded outside the Fade.
What if the Black City you can see from all parts of the Fade is actually Kirkwall's multi-dimensional representation, as it exists both in the Fade and reality? What if Kirkwall was actually the Maker's home, and the reason it's so crazy now is that the Maker's punishment against the Tevinter Imperium was to cause the city to become part of the waking world and from there send forth the Blight into Thedas.
What if humans are really the corrupted Tevinters, and the Darkspawn are just trying to retake their surface land back from the corrupted beings that took it over and drove them into the depths eons ago. The Old Gods/Archdemons are their version of Andraste, who is constantly reborn as a great and magnificent leader and liberator of their people and who is trying to rally them to fight against the surfacers, only to be killed and torn down by the corrupted ones, a revolution defeated.

Man.

I need sleep.

[mellifera]

And then we find out Threeparts is actually Talkative Man xD I enjoyed the mindfrak though.

[MG800]

Morning everyone - I'll just leave it here:  (Source: http://mila-valentin...t.com/#/d3fd4w1)

Modifié par MG800, 02 mai 2011 - 10:31 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

MG800 wrote...

Morning everyone - I'll just leave it here:  (Source: http://mila-valentin...t.com/#/d3fd4w1)

Is it possible to swoon over a picture?  Because I definitely just did.

The combination of two of my favoritest blonde rebel wizards EVER.  Combine that with Remus Lupin, and I am a doomed girl.

[AndreaDraco]

Ryzaki wrote...

Yeah Anders is all "NO DON'T DIIEEEE!" So dramatic our Anders. 

I always thought he was doing some sort of spell to keep Hawke alive and kicking...

[Miri1984]

@Threeparts I kind of love you right now.


...you're crazy though.

I WANT YOU RIGHT HERE TILL THE DAY WE DIE.

[AnimeAngel90]

Someone asked for companions screaming about Hawke dying?



Its GLORIOUS

What an awesome way to spend half an hour - BATTLE CRIES

Modifié par AnimeAngel90, 02 mai 2011 - 11:26 .

[Dunizel]

Miri1984 wrote...

He's grumpy with Elthina because she won't take sides, not because she was the one who did stuff to him. I suppose he could be objectively blaming the chantry as an institution for allowing what was done to him to be done to him, but that's a little removed for Vengeance. I always thought of Vengeance as more personal - "You did this to me so I'll do it back to you" not "you're a representation of the institution that allowed this to happen to me, therefore I'll do this to you". 

Just my opinion though.

Anders is interesting for me even because he is not simply "atheist". One could imagine that after all the ideas the Chantry has has spread on mages, he could simply refuse religion, or at least really don't care at all. Esecially in Kirkwall, where basically the Chantry abandoned the mages to whatever destiny they met in the Gallows with Meredith crazyness rampant.
Instead he still believes in the Maker, his definition and explanation of demons and spirit is still the Chantry one (we can see it in the banter with Merrill), he still believes in Andraste  and sees her as an important figure, even an example maybe. And in the manifesto he doesn't attack religion, he simply wants to show that the interpretation given by institution is wrong. 

Threeparts wrote...

I think we need to treat the things Cullen says or thinks cautiously.
He thinks Elthina will side with the templars, and Gaider also says that Cullen believes the Divine would refuse the Annulment that Meredith sent off for. His words may very well have affected Anders and his actions, but we can't, as players, say that Cullen's knowledge and opinions were right or well-informed. He is Meredith's second, so he has more insight than we do, but he's also trying to be rational. He may have been right about the Divine refusing to approve the Right, just as he may have been wrong about Elthina siding with the templars over the mages.

Just think! Cullen, as the rational one! Kirkwall, what have you done?

Cullen is great. He starts with a lot of respect for Meredith, but still sees when she is simply going too far and doesn't allow it. All he has suffered doesn't corrupt his rationality. Well, maybe a bit, but can you blame him? The incident with Uldred was severe, but Kirkwall is even more crazy. But he is still willing to consider every mage as a different case. I remember when Bethany was taken to the Circle, was it not Cullen, I suppose the scene could have been a lot more dramatic. Or even with Keran. We just assured him that we, in some shady way, have checked that he is not possessed...and he graciously accepts him and believes it! I doubt Meredith or other templars would have done so. Cullen is still a softie probably xD 

Modifié par Dunizel, 02 mai 2011 - 11:41 .