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[legbamel]

Miri1984 wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...
The interesting thing about it is that they all talk about rage, feeling uncontrollable rage nearly all the time, which kind of fits with what happens with Justice.

That is interesting.

I also wonder now does Justice feel/felt he was being confined by all Anders hate?  And now feels that the death of the circle and everything that is Anders rage will free him of his? 

Or am I going way to into this...

No, no! Of course not, that's what this thread is for after all. Another thought I had - Mr Wiggums was possessed by a rage demon, and Anders said that he was in solitary and Mr Wiggums used to visit him there. I wonder if he was possessed by a rage demon that was trying for Anders? And maybe the Templars Wiggums killed were the ones who were guarding him?

THIS IS NOW CANON IN MY HEAD.

OMG, that just completely clicked in my head.  I think it will be really hard to write without sounding like an idiot, though.  How angsty can you get with "and then my kitteh sprouted huge pointy fangs, ate through the door, and used its now-foot-long-claws to rip the faces off the guards without evern removing their helmets"?  I fear I may not be up to the challenge without a serious case of the giggles. 

[kromify]

andersbutt?

[YamiSnuffles]

Drive-by Anders



Oh the loveliness of xbox "screenshots." I'm not jealous of PC users at all. *sobs*

[kromify]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Drive-by Anders

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Oh the loveliness of xbox "screenshots." I'm not jealous of PC users at all. *sobs*

and the lack of runscript killallhostiles... makes fightning that much more satisfying

[YamiSnuffles]

kromify wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Drive-by Anders

snip

Oh the loveliness of xbox "screenshots." I'm not jealous of PC users at all. *sobs*

and the lack of runscript killallhostiles... makes fightning that much more satisfying

I just run a script called, Hawke is a crazy badass and kills everything with her f***ing huge sword. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Oh, and also, andersbutt.

[Ninche]

OMG OMG guys!!! My boyfriend just made it to the end of the game! He was about to knife Anders when I convinced him to pause so I can defend him and I actually MANAGED to change his mind!

Not in a good way tho, the argument that finally convinced him not to kill him was that it would make him a martyr and nobody really cared about justice being served except Sebastian. You don't have the option of a public trial and execution so it's sort of pointless to just knife him in the back.

Pfft it was tough tho O.O

Oh also, here's the vid of Anders breaking up with Hawke after the Fade if you make a deal with the demon, I promised I'd put it up a while back:

www.youtube.com/watch


Andersbutt!

Modifié par Ninche, 02 mai 2011 - 08:02 .

[SurelyForth]

YamiSnuffles wrote...
I just run a script called, Hawke is a crazy badass and kills everything with her f***ing huge sword. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Oh, and also, andersbutt.

That's my script, too!

And...

by payroo

[YamiSnuffles]

Ninche wrote...

OMG OMG guys!!! My boyfriend just made it to the end of the game! He was about to knife Anders when I convinced him to pause so I can defend him and I actually MANAGED to change his mind!

Not in a good way tho, the argument that finally convinced him not to kill him was that it would make him a martyr and nobody really cared about justice being served except Sebastian. You don't have the option of a public trial and execution so it's sort of pointless to just knife him in the back.

Pfft it was tough tho O.O

Oh also, here's the vid of Anders breaking up with Hawke after the Fade if you make a deal with the demon, I promised I'd put it up a while back:

www.youtube.com/watch


Andersbutt!

It's the little victories, right?

And thanks for linking the video. 

[SurelyForth]

ElleMullineux wrote...
Congrats! (Kinda - at least there is a hot mage on the loose now )

And that vid is COLD. I can understand where he's coming from - it might have tranquilled him if it hadn't been elven magic (which is the loop hole the writers will use I presume). I read somewhere that you can convince him it was a trick and he believes you? Any truth?

If you don't accept the demon's deal, you can tell him it was a trick (but you can also not tell him and he'll dump you). If you do accept it, there's no option to lie about it. And he dumps you.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 02 mai 2011 - 08:12 .

[Ninche]

SurelyForth wrote...

ElleMullineux wrote...
Congrats! (Kinda - at least there is a hot mage on the loose now )

And that vid is COLD. I can understand where he's coming from - it might have tranquilled him if it hadn't been elven magic (which is the loop hole the writers will use I presume). I read somewhere that you can convince him it was a trick and he believes you? Any truth?

If you don't accept the demon's deal, you can tell him it was a trick (but you can also not tell him and he'll dump you). If you do accept it, there's no option to lie about it. And he dumps you.

Hahaha our apostate boy is not stupid. I love how he gets ****y about Merill yet AGAIN. Just let it go, jeez

[YamiSnuffles]

ElleMullineux wrote...

This is just a quick response to something a couple of pages back about lyrium/ dwarves etc. Just playing through DA:O and Alistair has just told the Warden that the Chantry controls the lyrium trade. Lets hope something happens with the dwarves which means that the trade is loosened up so that the mages don't all have to turn to blood magic.
(It's fun playing through as totally pro-mage freedom though, it's a route I never went initially. And I can see where Anders got some of his thinking from, one of the blood mages in the tower that you can let go free says they were trying to force change.I can imagine Anders at the meetings etc... until they turned all blood magey about it at least.)

My canon Warden let that blood mage go. She was a bit of a soft touch, so she usually spared any lives she could. Ironically, my canon Hawke- who is more pro-mage than my Warden- probably would have killed that mage. She was a bit more anti-blood mage, probably because of all the times she had to deal with them when compared to my Warden. She killed Idunna and probably wouldn't have seen the DA:O Circle mage much different. Then again, she obviously would have agreed that something extreme needed to be done to bring about change. Hmm. Now I don't know what she would do.

Modifié par YamiSnuffles, 02 mai 2011 - 08:26 .

[LastFadingSmile]

Ninche wrote...


Oh also, here's the vid of Anders breaking up with Hawke after the Fade if you make a deal with the demon, I promised I'd put it up a while back:

www.youtube.com/watch

Thanks for putting that up. I'd done the "just kidding!" conversation before, but had never seen the actual breakup scene. I love Angry Anders; in this scene especially, it's this perfect mix of feistiness, hurt and kind of cold indifference. Hrmm, that's probably so much of the reason why I can never seem to kill him at the end; I'm still recovering from my Angry Anders Swoon.

Modifié par Kolotosa, 02 mai 2011 - 08:25 .

[MelRedux]

Ninche wrote...


Oh also, here's the vid of Anders breaking up with Hawke after the Fade if you make a deal with the demon, I promised I'd put it up a while back:

www.youtube.com/watch

Wow.  Pot, meet kettle.

What is the difference between a spirit and a demon any way?  Is it just that spirits like "good" things, and demons like "bad" things?  Because as Justice has proved, that's a fine line.

Modifié par Mel_Redux, 02 mai 2011 - 08:34 .

[kromify]

not much. i actually don't think it's correct to call justice/vengeance a demon. when he merged he became something new, and all the discussion that takes place over what to call him is trying to fit him into a category that is relatively black and white. and justice is a massive fog of grey

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Ninche wrote...


Oh also, here's the vid of Anders breaking up with Hawke after the Fade if you make a deal with the demon, I promised I'd put it up a while back: 

www.youtube.com/watch

"You made a deal with a demon, how did you think a spirit of Justice would respond!?" - hate to tell you Hawke, but he makes a good point. You're an idiot.

But geez... Merrill's not a bad person. Just very, very, very stupid.

I remember in the Dalish Origin when Tamlen went missing and Duncan wanted to smash the mirror and Merrill protested, I wanted an option to punch her.
This thing takes one of your clanmates - your family - and you're more worried about the MIRROR!?

And then she turns to a demon for help. "Demons are spirits, they can't help what they are!" - no, but that's no reason to trust them!!!

I love Merrill as a character, but I much prefer rivaling her. Because on the friendship path she's all "Why didn't they listen!?" like it's their fault she was a naive fool.

[SurelyForth]

Mel_Redux wrote...

Ninche wrote...


Oh also, here's the vid of Anders breaking up with Hawke after the Fade if you make a deal with the demon, I promised I'd put it up a while back:

www.youtube.com/watch

Wow.  Pot, meet kettle.

What is the difference between a spirit and a demon any way?  Is it just that spirits like "good" things, and demons like "bad" things?  Because as Justice has proved, that's a fine line.

In that situation, though, Hawke traded Feynriel's soul to the demon. While Anders is an utter ass to Merrill (my guess is that it's because of his own self-loathing), he has a right to be pissed at Hawke for betraying someone who trusted her.

As for your second question, there's a Gaider quote floating about that distinction. Justice is one of those ideals that, like Isabela said, only really works as an ideal. When applied in the real world, things start to get messy. And I think Justice was already changed by being in Kristoff's body, so he wasn't a "pure" spirit when he merged with Anders. So that could have contributed to his over all status of "special".

[Sable Rhapsody]

SurelyForth wrote...

In that situation, though, Hawke traded Feynriel's soul to the demon. While Anders is an utter ass to Merrill (my guess is that it's because of his own self-loathing), he has a right to be pissed at Hawke for betraying someone who trusted her.

100% agreed.  It's one thing to knowingly endanger yourself via blood magic/consorting with demons.  It's another thing entirely to hand over an innocent boy to a demon when you were supposed to save him from them.  Ugh...add giving Feynriel to Torpor to the things I could never do, even FOR SCIENCE just to see the scene.

[Amondra]

kromify wrote...

not much. i actually don't think it's correct to call justice/vengeance a demon. when he merged he became something new, and all the discussion that takes place over what to call him is trying to fit him into a category that is relatively black and white. and justice is a massive fog of grey

I agree justice in all its forms isn't always bad depending on how you ask.  I mean vengeance can be horrid, but isn't Batman and Punisher so of like forces of vengeance.

Granted Justice in the game seems to not just go after the "bad guys"  But on the same note up until the end Anders and Justice keeps their cool.

I think they thing with the girl, really had to with even Anders calling him a demon.  Here he just saved this girl, and she calls him a demon.  I think with being as unstable as Anders and his "feelings" if you will being hurt he over reacted.  I really think if he kills her Justice feels as much like **** as Anders.

But Anders said it too justice is not kind.  Justice will seek out justice until it is met.  Vengeance is a type so is Retribution.

[YamiSnuffles]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Ninche wrote...


Oh also, here's the vid of Anders breaking up with Hawke after the Fade if you make a deal with the demon, I promised I'd put it up a while back: 

www.youtube.com/watch

"You made a deal with a demon, how did you think a spirit of Justice would respond!?" - hate to tell you Hawke, but he makes a good point. You're an idiot.

But Justice is such a cheery guy. When has he ever freaked out and tried to kill someone because they did something he saw as unjust? Seriously, though, that response does make Hawke sound a little dim. There's really very little reason to believe Justice will do anything other than attack her if she deals with the demon. Especially considering how clearly irate Justice gets when you start talking to the demon.

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

ElleMullineux wrote...

It's a tough one, and I'm still not 100% convinced that blood magic = always evil. Admittedly I try not to have Merril in my party for fights because it annoys the jebus out of me when she does her freaky thing and makes me unable to attack (I only play mages for science - my canon characters are all femRogues, can't abide not being able to unlock chests/doors and I like the speed of the rights).
Anyway, blood magic. Obviously it can be used for horrifically awful things, but are there more mundane uses where it's a viable alternative to lyrium? Is part of the horror about it that it is unknown and as we've seen used in the wrong hands? How much different is necromancy to the high-level healing/ regroup spells? Where do you draw the line?

Like Idunna said = "Blood and desire in equal measure."

Blood Magic itself is not evil. It's apparently the one and only school of magic that has no connection to the fade at all. (Aside from the whole "learning from demons thing")

However it's fueled by life force instead of mana, and a blood mage will always be tempted to take more power than they need. Like a drug, they'll want more and more, until finally they go batsh*t crazy.

Hence the number of loopy, evil blood mages.

[Sable Rhapsody]

ElleMullineux wrote...

It's a tough one, and I'm still not 100% convinced that blood magic = always evil. Admittedly I try not to have Merril in my party for fights because it annoys the jebus out of me when she does her freaky thing and makes me unable to attack (I only play mages for science - my canon characters are all femRogues, can't abide not being able to unlock chests/doors and I like the speed of the rights).
Anyway, blood magic. Obviously it can be used for horrifically awful things, but are there more mundane uses where it's a viable alternative to lyrium? Is part of the horror about it that it is unknown and as we've seen used in the wrong hands? How much different is necromancy to the high-level healing/ regroup spells? Where do you draw the line?

The trouble with blood magic is that it seems to be a rare mage who can use it without going insane/eventually turning to demons.  Morrigan, possdibly Flemeth, Zathrian, Avernus, Jowan, and Merrill are literally the only non-PC blood mages I can think of who don't go completely murderous bonkers, and they're not exactly paragons of the best and the brightest.  The PCs are exceptions; they have magical PC immunity powers.