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[Ryzaki]

I'd trust my Wardens with kids. ...Well except douchebag Amell who might kick the kid in the face when they started crying.

[dpMeggers]

thebrute7 wrote...

I would trust my Warden with a kid... of course that would be entrusting a kid to a pair of blood mages, maybe that's not a great idea.

Just let Varric take care of him. Of course I don't think my Hawke would ever send her kid away. She might end up resorting to blood magic to keep him safe and with her, but there's no way she'd ever give him/her up.

Varric would probably tell awesome bedtime stories.

[Ashwraith]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Kirkwall would make an interesting soap opera...
if it wasn't already the setting of Silent Hill

"Pardon me, have you seen an apostate healer? Tall, blonde hair?"


Also, crap, now I'm gonna have to start calling Quentin 'Walter'.


EDIT: I'd trust my Wardens with kids, so long as the kids weren't their own.

Though I suspect my Mahariel's bedtime stories would not be conductive to a good night's sleep.

Modifié par Ashwraith, 03 mai 2011 - 05:53 .

[SmilingDeceit]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

lol.
Zev: And, so that's what happens when a man and a woman love each other very much.
Kid: 
Zev: It's a little different for a man who loves another man though--
Warden: Zevran what the hell are you teaching that child!?
Zev: The facts of life, my dear Warden! 
Warden: *facepalm*

My point was that if you entrust the child to the WC, who is almost totally immune to politics and has powerful connections, the child may have a good chance of escaping the Seeker's notice.

True, counting on the Warden and what path you took them.

But oh man, life lessons as taught by Zev.

Between that and my WC being a blood mage in Alistair's court. That child would have better morals by just sticking to growing up with an abomination for a father.

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

dpMeggers wrote...

thebrute7 wrote...

I would trust my Warden with a kid... of course that would be entrusting a kid to a pair of blood mages, maybe that's not a great idea.

Just let Varric take care of him. Of course I don't think my Hawke would ever send her kid away. She might end up resorting to blood magic to keep him safe and with her, but there's no way she'd ever give him/her up.

Varric would probably tell awesome bedtime stories.

Especially once the little one wants to know about Mummy and Daddy.

Varric: And then your Grandma Leandra, Uncle Carver and your Mother flew to Kirkwall on a dragon! 

[YamiSnuffles]

My canon Warden was a Queen Cousland. I would definitely trust her with a child... unless she hadn't had any. Then she might steal the kid instead of baby sitting it.

I think my canon Hawke, if she ever had a child, would trust Bethany to watch the kid for a while if needed. I bet Nathaniel would do a good job watching a kid too.

[Frishmet]

Miri1984 wrote...

I love Seb as a character, but don't like him as a person. It's the Chantry doctrine that gets me. I'm an athiest and I don't want people telling me that I have to believe in (what I perceive as) their imaginary friends or I'll be damned for eternity.

I have no objection to religious people in general, but I don't like people who preach at me.

ETA I've just realised that sounds a bit hypocritcal, given I love Anders so much, but I don't object to people knocking on my door and asking me to save the whales or contribute to the environment. When the preaching is for something other than saving my immortal soul (which I kind of think is my business) it's not so bad.

This is exacly me as well. I enjoy how much the character adds to the story. But personally - and by extension, my Hawke can't stand his constant religious proselytizing.  Especially when his stance is to do nothing but let the "Maker" take care of things.

My most hated line of his was when he was talking with Fenris about why bad things happen:

Fenris: Danarius once killed a little boy to fuel blood magic
that let him impress his fellow Senators at a party. What was the
purpose there? 

Seb: Perhaps it was witnessing that which will give you the strength to prevent it ever happening again.   

Yes.. it sure is a good thing that the maker had a little boy die like that in order to demonstrate to Fenris that little boys shouldn't die that way.

He is certainly an interesting character though and I believe he is broken in his own way.  I see him as an essentially weak personality that really needed someone else to take him in hand and make his decisions for him. Elthina and the chantry provided the crutch he so desperately needed.  Once that was taken away from him (at the end of the story) I suppose his new purpose for living will have to be hunting down Anders (if he survived) or anyone else who took up his cause.  I really can't see him being a good leader for Starkhaven. I don't think he'd be able to make the tough decisions a leader must make. He would always be leaving it in the  makers hands.

[Dunizel]

So, I was in Act3, walking outside the Hanged Man with Fenris and Anders in my group (as always pretty much, it's those two and Varric).

Fenris: I still don't get the name. Why the Hanged Man?
Anders: I guess someone is hung if they are drunk.

Should be the exact dialogue, it was short and caught me by surprise, I just listened to it xD

It was so awkward to see Fenris and Anders talk and even Anders somewhat joke with him O_O Not to mention in Act3 Anders stops making funny jokes basically

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Ryzaki wrote...

I'd trust my Wardens with kids. ...Well except douchebag Amell who might kick the kid in the face when they started crying.

Hmm...
-Amell, despite being a coward, would make a good foster mother (if a bit of a pushover)
-M!Cousland would make a wonderful father, however the kid would be spoilt rotten (and probably passed off as  the next royal child. The genetic mixture would work)
-fem!Cousland should never have kids. Ever.
-Mahariel... would probably be a little to stern and detached to raise children properly, working with Alistair though, the two may raise a healthy adult.
-Surana would be a good foster father... Zevran... maybe...
-Brosca is too much of a child herself.
-Aeducan maybe...
-Tabris... would be chaos. He'd be like the favourite irresponsible Uncle

Modifié par Dreaming-in-Shadow, 03 mai 2011 - 05:57 .

[ipgd]

Anders and Hawke having kids would be the biggest disaster imaginable. I don't think Anders needs to add "my child was murdered by a lynch mob" to his pile of issues.

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

ipgd wrote...

Anders and Hawke having kids would be the biggest disaster imaginable. I don't think Anders needs to add "my child was murdered by a lynch mob" to his pile of issues.

Hence giving the child away and severing all connections.
IF the child survived to be born, anyway.

[Silfren]

There was something on this thread a few dozen pages back about Anders possibly being a descendent of Andraste and maybe that's why he keeps his name hidden? Personally I think it's because it's sort of a symbolic rejection of his family. They turned him in, so now he wants nothing to do with them, including not keeping their name and the name they gave him.

But the short story by Hepler indicates that his mother didn't want him turned in.  I'm not sure it even suggests that his parents were responsible for his being turned over.  Also, Anders seems to be fond of his mother.  (Pillow scene with Varric).  His father was evidently terrified of him, but still....

Edited because I can bork a quote like no other!

Modifié par Silfren, 03 mai 2011 - 06:00 .

[ipgd]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Anders and Hawke having kids would be the biggest disaster imaginable. I don't think Anders needs to add "my child was murdered by a lynch mob" to his pile of issues.

Hence giving the child away and severing all connections.
IF the child survived to be born, anyway.

I don't think Anders needs to add "I'll never be able to see my child again" to his pile of issues, either.

[Amondra]

SmilingDeceit wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

lol.
Zev: And, so that's what happens when a man and a woman love each other very much.
Kid: 
Zev: It's a little different for a man who loves another man though--
Warden: Zevran what the hell are you teaching that child!?
Zev: The facts of life, my dear Warden! 
Warden: *facepalm*

My point was that if you entrust the child to the WC, who is almost totally immune to politics and has powerful connections, the child may have a good chance of escaping the Seeker's notice.

True, counting on the Warden and what path you took them.

But oh man, life lessons as taught by Zev.

Between that and my WC being a blood mage in Alistair's court. That child would have better morals by just sticking to growing up with an abomination for a father.

I have this outlandish idea that having a child would some what soothe Justice and Anders.  Mostly Justice.  Seeing something so delicate and know that in a sense the child is "his"  It might make not want to put him and Anders in such dangerous and reckless places/positions because he would want to return to him/her so he could protect them from the injustices of the mortal world.  Also would spur him to fight for mage rights so Anders and Hawke could raise and love thier child without care.

Also my Warden is Queen so he/she would be fine.  Or thier baby could be with my City Elf and Alistair in Amaranthine with company hanging out with Wardens with cool and all that jazz.  And godfather(makerfather?) Nate teaching him/her all sorts of awesome archery goodness.  While godfather Varric tells him/her epic stories of mom and dad(yeah thats right Varric is in Amaranthine!)

[YamiSnuffles]

Dunizel wrote...

So, I was in Act3, walking outside the Hanged Man with Fenris and Anders in my group (as always pretty much, it's those two and Varric).

Fenris: I still don't get the name. Why the Hanged Man?
Anders: I guess someone is hung if they are drunk.

Should be the exact dialogue, it was short and caught me by surprise, I just listened to it xD

It was so awkward to see Fenris and Anders talk and even Anders somewhat joke with him O_O Not to mention in Act3 Anders stops making funny jokes basically

Ah yeah, I got that dialogue before. I remember thinking, "Wait... are Anders and Fenris being civil to each other? Even sort of joking? And it's not to pick on Merrill?"

[dpMeggers]

ipgd wrote...

Anders and Hawke having kids would be the biggest disaster imaginable. I don't think Anders needs to add "my child was murdered by a lynch mob" to his pile of issues.

"The mob which I then proceeded to tear limb from limb while posessed."

I think Anders is aware enough of his situation to realize that having children would be incredibly irresponsible. I mean it takes 3 years to convince him to make a move on Hawke becuase he doesn't want him/her to get hurt by what will happen with the cause etc.

On the other hand the man is a hopeless romantic, so maybe he would want children?

Advantage: m!Hawke. They can't have kids anyway.

[Dunizel]

I'd trust my Wardens with kids too...I think that they could have a lot of funny, mostly-sane "family" around. I can just imagine Zevran Alistair and Wynne watching over a child. I'm not so sure about Ogren though, while Sigrun would be sweet. Awakening Anders would have been so funny too, bringing kittens for the kid along. And Nate, as Yami says, I have the feeling he would love to have a child. He is so fond of his nephew, I suspect that when he is not on Warden business he is happily babysitting (images of Nate smiling with kids...my mind is exploding).

Though, I sadly think my Hawke wouldn't be much of a father/mother. They are verging on the psyco as of now...maybe they have seen too much >.> And their LI are even more crazy >.>

[YamiSnuffles]

dpMeggers wrote...

Advantage: m!Hawke. They can't have kids anyway.

You forget about mpreg and special made maternity armor to protect that baby bump. 

[Ryzaki]

ipgd wrote...

Anders and Hawke having kids would be the biggest disaster imaginable. I don't think Anders needs to add "my child was murdered by a lynch mob" to his pile of issues.

Psh. 

Anders can never have too many issues. 

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

ipgd wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Anders and Hawke having kids would be the biggest disaster imaginable. I don't think Anders needs to add "my child was murdered by a lynch mob" to his pile of issues.

Hence giving the child away and severing all connections.
IF the child survived to be born, anyway.

I don't think Anders needs to add "I'll never be able to see my child again" to his pile of issues, either.

True, but if did boil down to never seeing the child again or subjecting them to a brutal life on the run with the possibility of watching them die, which would be the better option?

[dpMeggers]

Silfren wrote...

There was something on this thread a few dozen pages back about Anders possibly being a descendent of Andraste and maybe that's why he keeps his name hidden? Personally I think it's because it's sort of a symbolic rejection of his family. They turned him in, so now he wants nothing to do with them, including not keeping their name and the name they gave him.

But the short story by Hepler indicates that his mother didn't want him turned in.  I'm not sure it even suggests that his parents were responsible for his being turned over.  Also, Anders seems to be fond of his mother.  (Pillow scene with Varric).  His father was evidently terrified of him, but still....

Edited because I can bork a quote like no other!

Family names tend to be the father's name right? I get the impression that Anders has a fair amount of resentment for his father. 

...but my father was glad to see me gone. He had been afraid, ever since the fire in the barn. Not just afraid of what I could do, but afraid of me, afraid my magic was punishment for whatever petty sins he imagined the Maker sat in judgment upon.

[Toastyblue2]

Delurking because...

dpMeggers wrote...

@Dreaming-in-Shadow if Anders and Hawke have ANY kind of kid I'll be worried. Anders is not exactly in a fit state to be a parent..

Currently working on an epic fanfic piece about this very thing. Glad to see that there's interest so I won't be run out of the fandom with torches and pitchforks. Or something.

I wonder why his name is hidden. There is no reason I've seen to keep it secret. Gaidan has said that he is neither Wynne's or Maric's son. But could he be related to another important character? Really there is a lot of questions about Anders past that isn't completely explained. We know he was in the Ferelden Circle but he is from the Anderfels, hints the nickname Anders. Why was sent that far south?

I'm writing about this, too. I imagine that there are huge political or survival-based motivations to keeping his name secret, and Anders might not be the only one who thinks that keeping his true identity a secret is critical. But this is just my opinion.

Oh, and someone mentioned Sand. I'm a huge fan of mage snarkiness. And he should have been a romanceable option imo.

*goes back into lurker mode*

[dpMeggers]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

True, but if did boil down to never seeing the child again or subjecting them to a brutal life on the run with the possibility of watching them die, which would be the better option?

You assume Anders is capable of that kind of rational thinking. I have no such faith. This is a man who blew up a Chantry and then said "this...is not what I expected." If he would drown Hawke and himself in blood to keep Hawke safe when they're still just friends, imagine what he would do to keep his child by his side.

Also this is the man who wanted to bring justice to every mage who had ever been ripped from his mother's arms. I don't think he would inflict that on his own child, even if it meant a lifetime of running.

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Amondra wrote...

I have this outlandish idea that having a child would some what soothe Justice and Anders.  Mostly Justice.  Seeing something so delicate and know that in a sense the child is "his"  It might make not want to put him and Anders in such dangerous and reckless places/positions because he would want to return to him/her so he could protect them from the injustices of the mortal world.  Also would spur him to fight for mage rights so Anders and Hawke could raise and love thier child without care.

Also my Warden is Queen so he/she would be fine.  Or thier baby could be with my City Elf and Alistair in Amaranthine with company hanging out with Wardens with cool and all that jazz.  And godfather(makerfather?) Nate teaching him/her all sorts of awesome archery goodness.  While godfather Varric tells him/her epic stories of mom and dad(yeah thats right Varric is in Amaranthine!)

My male Cousland is married to Anora.
Since he has dark hair and roughly the same colour eyes as Anders, the kid could pass for the child of Cousland and Anora.
It'd be interesting, nontheless.

I feel sorry for any kid raised by Mahariel and Alistair. XD

But I like the idea of a child raised amongst the wardens in Amaranthine.
Nate can teach archery...
Surana can teach the child to control their magic if they're a mage...
Oghren can teach him/her to swear...
Sigrun would be the best aunt ever!
Velanna... could teach the kid how to act like a b*ch when the circumstances demand it! XD

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

dpMeggers wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

True, but if did boil down to never seeing the child again or subjecting them to a brutal life on the run with the possibility of watching them die, which would be the better option?

You assume Anders is capable of that kind of rational thinking. I have no such faith. This is a man who blew up a Chantry and then said "this...is not what I expected." If he would drown Hawke and himself in blood to keep Hawke safe when they're still just friends, imagine what he would do to keep his child by his side.

Also this is the man who wanted to bring justice to every mage who had ever been ripped from his mother's arms. I don't think he would inflict that on his own child, even if it meant a lifetime of running.

Hnnn... true.
Which is where the difficulty with Hawke comes in, I guess.
The arguments that could come from that... 

Because she would go behind his back to keep her child safe, and use whatever means necessary to protect her child. Even at Anders' expense.