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[highcastle]

ElleMullineux wrote...

ipgd wrote...

... Doesn't that fit right in with Justice's fanaticism? The Chantry would just graduate from posing a threat to mages and himself to posing a threat to mages, himself and his child. He'd probably end up even more crazy.

You say it like more crazy would be a bad thing... 

More crazy? I thought we were full up.


(Sorry, couldn't resist!)

Edit: Of course my off topic one-liner gets top. *sigh* Oh well, here's proving if kids are involved, DA will be heading into mpreg territory for my canon.

Modifié par highcastle, 03 mai 2011 - 08:36 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

ipgd wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

highcastle wrote...

I don't know. It's been my experience that kids rarely "fix" anyone. If you have kids when you have serious emotional problems, you're probably going to raise kids who have serious emotional problems. It goes along with the whole idea that when a relationship falls apart, having a kid will somehow make it better. Usually it just drives people further apart. And when it comes to Anders, I'm not sure if his condition will let him put anyone--even a child--above his cause.

Of course, don't mind me. I'm bitter and jaded well beyond my years on account of my own upbringing/experiences.

No, no, you're absolutely right.  Supported by science and everything.

On the other hand for Anders specifically, protecting a child is a pretty strong genetic imperative in human beings.  The things parents will do on behalf of their children are incredible, as are the ends they're willing to go to to protect them.  Protecting children is an even stronger evolutionary drive than self-preservation, possibly strong enough to overcome Justice's fanaticism.

... Doesn't that fit right in with Justice's fanaticism? The Chantry would just graduate from posing a threat to mages and himself to posing a threat to mages, himself and his child. He'd probably end up even more crazy.

Oops.

You're right.  I had a derp--don't know where I was going with that 

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Kivan had no excuse at that moment.
For Gods' sake, even XAN showed backbone at that moment!!!

I know... The spineless little coward quite literally destroys your poor Bhaalspawn's heart... even on the other route. (No wonder Anders never fazed me.)

Seriously.  After Kivan and Xan...Anders does his whole "I'll hurt you" thing, and I'm just like, "Meh, I've had worse."

Baldur's Gate Romances = Guaranteed to give you immunity to all in-game heartbreak.

Anders: I'll break your heart!
Me: Are you going to abandon me when I need you most, then constantly call me a monster, insult me at every opportunity and be eternally depressing with no humour whatsoever?
Anders: No, just blow up a building.
Me: Then you'll do just fine.

[ipgd]

ElleMullineux wrote...
You say it like more crazy would be a bad thing... 

I mean, sure, if you want to break Anders completely. But Babies Ever After?

[Sable Rhapsody]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...
Baldur's Gate Romances = Guaranteed to give you immunity to all in-game heartbreak.

Anders: I'll break your heart!
Me: Are you going to abandon me when I need you most, then constantly call me a monster, insult me at every opportunity and be eternally depressing with no humour whatsoever?
Anders: No, just blow up a building.
Me: Then you'll do just fine.

LOL.  This.

Though TBH, neither of my Bhaalspawns intended for Kivan or Xan's playthroughs stuck with them.  The one for Kivan dumped his sorry ass after the Master Wraith and ran off with Renal Bloodscalp, and the one for Xan just kinda shrugged at his dickery and moved on with life.

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...
Baldur's Gate Romances = Guaranteed to give you immunity to all in-game heartbreak.

Anders: I'll break your heart!
Me: Are you going to abandon me when I need you most, then constantly call me a monster, insult me at every opportunity and be eternally depressing with no humour whatsoever?
Anders: No, just blow up a building.
Me: Then you'll do just fine.

LOL.  This.

Though TBH, neither of my Bhaalspawns intended for Kivan or Xan's playthroughs stuck with them.  The one for Kivan dumped his sorry ass after the Master Wraith and ran off with Renal Bloodscalp, and the one for Xan just kinda shrugged at his dickery and moved on with life.

I kind of adore Xan for some strange incomprehensible reason. 
He kind of made up for it in ToB and the bonded path was sweet if painful.

Kivan I put up with for the sound track.
If only I could stand to play Planescape torment...

[Sable Rhapsody]

ElleMullineux wrote...

Plus the whole Qunari vs Tevinter, Orlais vs Ferelden, Starkhaven vs Kirkwall (although I don't know if there is a lot of Kirkwall left...). Codex's imply that the only thing stopping Tevinter coming to reclaim most of Thedas is fighting the Qunari... what if the Qunari decide to take the fight back to Kirkwall? Will Tevinter march on Thedas as well?

Basically, rocks fall everyone dies 

[Amondra]

highcastle wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Oh this thread.

Now every time I see Anders with that staff all I am going to say is "Sneaky ass bastard"

However one kid is fine with me. Like I said a child might calm Justice and Anders in a sense that they want to live and come back to their child. Also Justice seeing some so delicate and innocent, but be what he needs to remember himself again. Who knows. Kids can do wondrous things. Outside of driving you mad when they are crying.

I don't know. It's been my experience that kids rarely "fix" anyone. If you have kids when you have serious emotional problems, you're probably going to raise kids who have serious emotional problems. It goes along with the whole idea that when a relationship falls apart, having a kid will somehow make it better. Usually it just drives people further apart. And when it comes to Anders, I'm not sure if his condition will let him put anyone--even a child--above his cause.

Of course, don't mind me. I'm bitter and jaded well beyond my years on account of my own upbringing/experiences.

Yeah, but still this is a fake world so anything is possible.  Also this might come from my own hope that despite my own mental issues that I could still have kids, and be an okay mother.

But because what you said I have also decided that I shouldn't and not even bother getting married.  So the helpless romantic in me says why not in a world where real life things don't play in and anything is possible...like god child

[Sable Rhapsody]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...
I kind of adore Xan for some strange incomprehensible reason. 
He kind of made up for it in ToB and the bonded path was sweet if painful.

Kivan I put up with for the sound track.
If only I could stand to play Planescape torment...

See, PCs aside, there's only so much dickery I can put up with as a player before I call enough and put my foot down.

Also, PS:T is totally worth playing.  The Nameless One >>>> Kivan.

[Ryzaki]

Camilladilla wrote...

Uh, yeah. This.

All Anders needs is yet another trigger to force Justice further into Vengeance.

And I'd feel absolutely horrible for any kid that'd have to be raised by either: Hawke, Anders or Fenris.

Actually the two bolded can end up quite sane if you play your cards right. The only one who really shouldn't have a kid is Anders. 

Fenris is mellowing out over the course of the game. (If Hawke and he are close friends/rivals/lovers). And most Hawkes tend to be fairly sane. (Even my RAEG Hawkes treat Bethany and their family kindly). 

Fenris wouldn't be a perfect parent. But hey no one is. I'd say he'd make a better parent on the rivalry path than the friendship one though. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 03 mai 2011 - 08:46 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Ryzaki wrote...

Actually the two bolded can end up quite sane if you play your cards right. The only one who really shouldn't have a kid is Anders. 

Fenris is mellowing out over the course of the game. (If Hawke and he are close friends/rivals/lovers). And most Hawkes tend to be fairly sane. (Even my RAEG Hawkes treat Bethany and their family kindly). 

Everyone in the party gets better over the course of the game if you play your cards right....everyone except Anders and Seb, that is.  Stupid boys <_<

[Ryzaki]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Everyone in the party gets better over the course of the game if you play your cards right....everyone except Anders and Seb, that is.  Stupid boys <_<

 

But that's why we love them. <3 

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Everyone in the party gets better over the course of the game if you play your cards right....everyone except Anders and Seb, that is.  Stupid boys <_<

Let's close our eyes and pretend that friendmanced Anders is calming down after the Chantry goes boom and the get out of Silent Hill.

...er. Kirkwall. oh screw it, I've said it before and I'll say it again: They're the same thing.

Who's Pyramid Head!?!

[highcastle]

Amondra wrote...

highcastle wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Oh this thread.

Now every time I see Anders with that staff all I am going to say is "Sneaky ass bastard"

However one kid is fine with me. Like I said a child might calm Justice and Anders in a sense that they want to live and come back to their child. Also Justice seeing some so delicate and innocent, but be what he needs to remember himself again. Who knows. Kids can do wondrous things. Outside of driving you mad when they are crying.

I don't know. It's been my experience that kids rarely "fix" anyone. If you have kids when you have serious emotional problems, you're probably going to raise kids who have serious emotional problems. It goes along with the whole idea that when a relationship falls apart, having a kid will somehow make it better. Usually it just drives people further apart. And when it comes to Anders, I'm not sure if his condition will let him put anyone--even a child--above his cause.

Of course, don't mind me. I'm bitter and jaded well beyond my years on account of my own upbringing/experiences.

Yeah, but still this is a fake world so anything is possible.  Also this might come from my own hope that despite my own mental issues that I could still have kids, and be an okay mother.

But because what you said I have also decided that I shouldn't and not even bother getting married.  So the helpless romantic in me says why not in a world where real life things don't play in and anything is possible...like god child

On a note of optimism here, I find the people who are most concerned about whether they'd be good parents are the ones who will be. The worst parents are the apathetic or naive ones. I lived with an aunt who had bipolar for a time, and she was a much better parent to me than, say, my mentally "normal" father was. Mental issues alone shouldn't be a qualifier for good parenting.

Bringing this back to Anders, though, I just think his specific issues might preclude him from being a good parent. It could push him to being even more crazy protective than ever. But who knows? Maybe it would mellow him out. In my canon, though, I doubt it would happen unless he and m!Hawke adopted, or if the birds and the bees work a bit differently in Thedas. Though mpreg breaks my brain.

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

highcastle wrote...

Bringing this back to Anders, though, I just think his specific issues might preclude him from being a good parent. It could push him to being even more crazy protective than ever. But who knows? Maybe it would mellow him out. In my canon, though, I doubt it would happen unless he and m!Hawke adopted, or if the birds and the bees work a bit differently in Thedas. Though mpreg breaks my brain.

Regardless, I don't see Marian being willing to take such a risk with her own child, especially as she's not in the safest place herself.

Everybody is crazy now. Thank God Nate came back to Amaranthine when he did!

[Amondra]

highcastle wrote...

Amondra wrote...

highcastle wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Oh this thread.

Now every time I see Anders with that staff all I am going to say is "Sneaky ass bastard"

However one kid is fine with me. Like I said a child might calm Justice and Anders in a sense that they want to live and come back to their child. Also Justice seeing some so delicate and innocent, but be what he needs to remember himself again. Who knows. Kids can do wondrous things. Outside of driving you mad when they are crying.

I don't know. It's been my experience that kids rarely "fix" anyone. If you have kids when you have serious emotional problems, you're probably going to raise kids who have serious emotional problems. It goes along with the whole idea that when a relationship falls apart, having a kid will somehow make it better. Usually it just drives people further apart. And when it comes to Anders, I'm not sure if his condition will let him put anyone--even a child--above his cause.

Of course, don't mind me. I'm bitter and jaded well beyond my years on account of my own upbringing/experiences.

Yeah, but still this is a fake world so anything is possible.  Also this might come from my own hope that despite my own mental issues that I could still have kids, and be an okay mother.

But because what you said I have also decided that I shouldn't and not even bother getting married.  So the helpless romantic in me says why not in a world where real life things don't play in and anything is possible...like god child

On a note of optimism here, I find the people who are most concerned about whether they'd be good parents are the ones who will be. The worst parents are the apathetic or naive ones. I lived with an aunt who had bipolar for a time, and she was a much better parent to me than, say, my mentally "normal" father was. Mental issues alone shouldn't be a qualifier for good parenting.

Bringing this back to Anders, though, I just think his specific issues might preclude him from being a good parent. It could push him to being even more crazy protective than ever. But who knows? Maybe it would mellow him out. In my canon, though, I doubt it would happen unless he and m!Hawke adopted, or if the birds and the bees work a bit differently in Thedas. Though mpreg breaks my brain.

LOL mpreg breaks my brain too.  However adopt Orna(?) She is just to cute! I know my Hawke was like "aww I am buying her dresses! and doing her hair all nice."  While Anders was looking up from his work with a WTF , we have templars breathing down our necks and you find time to play mom with your elf servant?!  You are worse then Merrill.  Then he goes back to work.

[ipgd]

ElleMullineux wrote...

But Anders is already broken. I honestly think the rivalmance is the cruelest thing you can do to him - he's not going to get any better and the times he has full clarity he just feels like crap. There's no way he's going back to who he was, he's become the living embodiment of an abstract ideal, and I think the most you can do for him is to support him when his humanity comes through. He needs support so he can reconcile the two parts of himself, and make sure he can do what he must do for the greater good.

And well, after freeing all the mages I think the guy deserves a bit of family time. Maybe just adopt a load of apostate kidlets?

Keyword: completely.

Kids would make him worse, not better. And he's certainly bad enough as it is. If you really want that mother of all angst parties, sure, but the idea that Anders with babbies would be anything but a horrific train wreck is hiiiilarious

[Silfren]

Dreaming-in-Shadow wrote...

Y'know, I think more than one Hawkespring is stretching it a little.

Grey warden taint is advancing.
Hawke is in her 30s and going on.
And you can't guarantee there won't be any complications.

Still, the theorising has begun, and it won't stop now.

Duude.  We're talking about mages here.  I'm sure there's plenty of fertility magic floating around Thedas to deal with conception difficulties and pregnancy complications.  Anyway, at the end of Act 3, my Hawke is 27, and she's having half-spirit triplets.  

[Jean]

Anders Babies.

Do not want.

[Trophonius]

highcastle wrote...

Edit: Of course my off topic one-liner gets top. *sigh* Oh well, here's proving if kids are involved, DA will be heading into mpreg territory for my canon.

Or adopting war orphans. I don't even think Anders necessarily wants children. His line about not giving you a normal life pretty much sums up his feelings right there. Besides that, he has the taint and only a few more years before death claims him. I just don't see anything positive coming out of it. Not even happiness.

Modifié par Trophonius, 03 mai 2011 - 09:17 .

[Bekkael]

ElleMullineux wrote...

We're into therapy time I think -but I would suck at motherhood and am 100% not having kids which is why I like babies ever after for my angst-ridden romances. I like the idea that against the odds they would raise a family. I'm not saying they would be perfect, but they're living in a world full of dragons/ darkspawn. Even if they were completely nuts at least there are enough baddies to throw them against to keep them out of trouble.
Unless they want to indulge in more iconoclasm like papa. FemHawke may have to draw the line there.

Awww, it's not as difficult to be a good parent as some seem to think. I believe I'm proof that a dash of crazy doesn't really damage your kids....much. My own parents were bats, and I turned out pretty well.

That said, I can't see F!Hawke or Anders as parents. It just wouldn't make any sense for the kind of world they live in. Changing diapers while running from the templars? Eh, no. Just my take on it though. Actually, I can't see them marrying either, TBH. I think they have a marriage of the soul and don't need a stupid (blown to smithereens) chantry to validate how they feel. <3

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

...there must be contraceptives in Thedas, otherwise Izzy would be the mother of several children already.