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[MelRedux]

SurelyForth wrote...

Mel_Redux wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

*heads to bunk*

*joins*

Oh don't look at me like that!  You'll love it. *eyebrow waggle*

Finally!! 

And, in case anyone missed it, 

sexy F!Hawke Andersbutt!

Only took you over a year!

[Miri1984]

OMG love it so much.

[dpMeggers]

Wow. *Fans self.* New desktop background? I think so.

[kromify]

thebrute7 wrote...

I am going to pull all of you offtopic with... THIS

this is right on so levels  

[Quasar7]

thebrute7 wrote...

I am going to pull all of you offtopic with... THIS



The dark, I shall do whatever it takes Anders... oh, oh my, excuse me...

Off topic?  No, this is incredibly on topic, in fact, I can think of no other topics at this moment... 

[TripLight]

*just actually had a nose bleed, but not from Anders *

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

thebrute7 wrote...

I am going to pull all of you offtopic with... THIS

I believe now would be a fitting and acceptable time to scream:

TAKE ME NOW!!!!!!!!!!! <3<3<3<3
(Alas, tis not to be. My m!Hawke might have better luck... hmmm... time to go replay~!!!)

[sassperella]

Ryzaki wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
Not those specific mages, no.

But he set up a situation in which the other Circles couldn't just look at what was happening in Kirkwall and stand by.  Keep in mind that people elsewhere don't know the details we do.  They didn't know Kirkwall was the Hellmouth/Silent Hill.  They didn't know about the lyrium idol.  Chances are very few people even knew about Anders' possession.  A Circle mage elsewhere would only see the templars massacring mages for something they didn't even do, regardless of which side Hawke picks.

At that point, any claim of the moral high ground from the templars/Chantry has to sound pretty hollow to the mages outside Kirkwall.  Small wonder they all rebelled.

Yes but this whole debate started from the viewpoint of a gallows mage. I don't see them cheering Anders' name. 

The other mages I can see as grateful. But the gallows mages? Not so much. 

several pages back sorry

There are several things not revealed to us in game one of which is how close his relationship was with the gallows mages. In act 2 he informs Hawke he is working with the mage underground until by act 3 Meredith has closed it down. Now at this point he may still have contacts in the gallows and there may be some discussion about what follows and what Anders does. For all we know he may have full support if they know the right of annulment may be imminent and especially when Hawke finds out about the exhaulted march... there's nothing to lose.

And yes I think  Anders knew that Meredith would call the right, but I think he had a plan, not necessarily well thought out but hey Anders isn't a criminal mastermind. I think that as he knew the right was possibly imminent and if not that then an exhaulted march he had to do something. The mages would have been unable to withstand the Devine's march plus innocent lives would have been lost as she slaughtered all of Kirkwall. A right of annulment would have ended with the mages slaughtered and probably little resistance. I think by blowing up the chantry as well as removing comprimise he was trying to show the mages that they didn't have to sit and take it, that the chantry weren't untouchable and that it was possible to fight back. I think he hoped when the right was called, this would rally the mages to fight and also it would force Hawke into a position to fight with them - I think he hoped that his friendship with Hawke and his constant talk of mage freedom etc. would force Hawke to side with them, especially when Meredith wanted to slaughter them all out of hand.

So what all that waffle boils down to is the fact that
a) he may still have had some contact with the mage underground and the chantry jenga may not have been such a huge surprise to some of the mages.

yes he knew meredith would call the Right but with the Right already over their heads and an exhaulted march in the works, he wanted to do something to show the mages they could fight back and didn't just have to lie down and die at Meredith's or the Devine's hands.

[Ryzaki]

@sassperella: I think the mages were a little too caught off guard to have expected that. If anyone would've known the plan it would've been Orsino and he's pretty much WTF at the whole Jenga. (Not to mention if you look at the FMV not one mage seems to be prepared for war. Most of them gap and react far too late for it to appear planed).

That said I don't doubt that some mages might've preferred it. I just don't see the majority as being happy about it (unless of course Hawke sides with the mages). Of course it's one of those YMMV kind of things so...
Edit: ...Why on earth am I forced to recruit Merrill with the templar ending? Come on BW! I don't want any mages! STOP FORCING ME TO TAKE MAGES. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 mai 2011 - 02:43 .

[LastFadingSmile]

TripLight wrote...

*just actually had a nose bleed, but not from Anders *

Oh god those are my glasses.

Conflict.

[Dreaming-in-Shadow]

Oh Geez... XD

Modifié par Dreaming-in-Shadow, 05 mai 2011 - 02:33 .

[tmp7704]

SurelyForth wrote...

Finally!! 

And, in case anyone missed it, 

sexy F!Hawke Andersbutt!

That's totally shooped, i can tell.

(because everyone knows Anders doesn't have a butt)

[TripLight]

Oh god I can't stop picturing Anders in the hat and coat and I can't stop listening to this song. Carmen was my gurl growing up.

Edit_ ****** fixed link goes to video.

Modifié par TripLight, 05 mai 2011 - 03:24 .

[sassperella]

Ryzaki wrote...

@sassperella: I think the mages were a little too caught off guard to have expected that. If anyone would've known the plan it would've been Orsino and he's pretty much WTF at the whole Jenga. (Not to mention if you look at the FMV not one mage seems to be prepared for war. Most of them gap and react far too late for it to appear planed).

That said I don't doubt that some mages might've preferred it. I just don't see the majority as being happy about it (unless of course Hawke sides with the mages). Of course it's one of those YMMV kind of things so...
Edit: ...Why on earth am I forced to recruit Merrill with the templar ending? Come on BW! I don't want any mages! STOP FORCING ME TO TAKE MAGES. 

Orsino would have been the last person to know. He may have been upset at Meredith and the way mages were treated but I don't think he'd have been part of the mage underground. But as I said, we're not given enough information on the mage underground and how much Anders was involved. I don't believe all the mages knew about the chantry jenga but some may have or at least had an idea that Anders was willing to do something drastic. Failing that Anders might have had an idea about how many mages would fight given incentive - but in the end it's all a guess.

Also it's your fault for getting Merril's Friendship/Rivalry high enough  I killed her in my one templar playthrough as she refused to fight on the templar side. 

Modifié par sassperella, 05 mai 2011 - 02:51 .

[upsettingshorts]

berelinde wrote...

...Anders is not a terrorist.

A terrorist by definition uses horrific acts in an attempt to sway public opinion toward an otherwise unpopular stance. Anders does not do this.

So much for parallels with real world terrorists.

*sigh*

Your post, to someone who actually gets what terrorism and terrorists are, basically reads like this:

"Apple pie is not pie.

A pie by definition is crust with some kind of filling.  Apple pie is cut up apples, put into a crust and baked.  

So much for the parallels with other pies."

So you liked the filling.  Big deal, that's your perogative.  That doesn't change the fact it's still a pie.

SurelyForth wrote...

And being a martyr doesn't need a grand gesture, or for anyone to really get what you're doing. If I got shot in the head because I believed and kept insisting that "Ice,Ice Baby" is the greatest song ever written and someone got annoyed enough to threaten me with death, if I refused to stop talking about it and was killed because I refused to stop talking about it, I could legit be called a martyr for my love of "Ice, Ice Baby".

Heh, nicely done.  You've earned this.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 05 mai 2011 - 02:52 .

[sassperella]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

berelinde wrote...

...Anders is not a terrorist.

A terrorist by definition uses horrific acts in an attempt to sway public opinion toward an otherwise unpopular stance. Anders does not do this.

So much for parallels with real world terrorists.

*sigh*

Your post, to someone who actually gets what terrorism and terrorists are, basically reads like this:

"Apple pie is not pie.

A pie by definition is crust with some kind of filling.  Apple pie is cut up apples, put into a crust and baked.  

So much for the parallels with other pies."

So you liked the filling.  Big deal, that's your perogative.  That doesn't change the fact it's still a pie.

SurelyForth wrote...

And being a martyr doesn't need a grand gesture, or for anyone to really get what you're doing. If I got shot in the head because I believed and kept insisting that "Ice,Ice Baby" is the greatest song ever written and someone got annoyed enough to threaten me with death, if I refused to stop talking about it and was killed because I refused to stop talking about it, I could legit be called a martyr for my love of "Ice, Ice Baby".

Heh, nicely done.  You've earned this.

LOL I saw that post about Anders not being a terroris and thought "I wonder how long before upsettingshorts appears."
I think you must have an 'Anders is not a terrorist' alarm that goes off whenever anyone posts this

Modifié par sassperella, 05 mai 2011 - 02:58 .

[Dunizel]

Dragon!Anders is sooo cute *_*

[thebrute7]

I would point out that the definition of terrorism is : "the systematic use of terror in order to coerce change". But I figure it would be pointless... so I won't. We need more ANDERS!!!

or FEMDERS!

[upsettingshorts]

thebrute7 wrote...

I would point out that the definition of terrorism is : "the systematic use of terror in order to coerce change". But I figure it would be pointless... so I won't.

How would that be pointless?  Every word of that definition fits what Anders does - even his explanation of it - like a glove. 

[Ryzaki]

sassperella wrote...
Orsino would have been the last person to know. He may have been upset at Meredith and the way mages were treated but I don't think he'd have been part of the mage underground. But as I said, we're not given enough information on the mage underground and how much Anders was involved. I don't believe all the mages knew about the chantry jenga but some may have or at least had an idea that Anders was willing to do something drastic. Failing that Anders might have had an idea about how many mages would fight given incentive - but in the end it's all a guess.

True true. The whole FMV bit still stands though.  Too much surprise for it to have been expected

Also it's your fault for getting Merril's Friendship/Rivalry high enough  I killed her in my one templar playthrough as she refused to fight on the templar side. 

 I tried but I wanted to complete the herbalists tasks quest! So I gave her the stupid knife! *grumbles about stupid books giving me 10 rivalry points each* 

I killed her in a playthrough as well. (Her and Anders). I just can't remember what I did other than ignore her. I don't want to ignore her because I want those sovereigns damnit.  

That said...I'm not sure if I had Bethany or not in those playthroughs. My Hawkes a mage this game but that might not count in the "must have X amount of mages." quota.  Which is ridculous because Merrill can't even heal! Why am I forced to take her? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 mai 2011 - 03:15 .

[signcherie]

thebrute7 wrote...

I love Femders way more than I should. 

[ipgd]

Even if there were some precise, technical loophole that allowed Anders to escape being categorized under the strictest definition of the word "terrorist", the big, obvious parallels drawn between Anders and real world terrorists/revolutionaries is kind of hard to ignore. The writers obviously intended this.

[SurelyForth]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
Heh, nicely done.  You've earned this.

Oooh, Queen. The best reward.

And I find Femders utterly confounding. Also, distressingly hot in most incarnations. 

[thebrute7]

ipgd wrote...

Even if there were some precise, technical loophole that allowed Anders to escape being categorized under the strictest definition of the word "terrorist", the big, obvious parallels drawn between Anders and real world terrorists/revolutionaries is kind of hard to ignore. The writers obviously intended this.

True, very true.  I prefer to call him a revolutionary.  MAGE REVOLUTION!

signcherie wrote...

I love Femders way more than I should. 

SurelyForth wrote...

And I find Femders utterly confounding. Also, distressingly hot in most incarnations. 

So do I, so do I.  

Modifié par thebrute7, 05 mai 2011 - 03:26 .

[Ryzaki]

Femders is adorable...and makes me wonder how would Justice react to being in a female body...

I wonder if Justice identifies more with either gender?