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[dpMeggers]

thebrute7 wrote...

Well honestly, I don't think many, if any, people go to the chantry to pray at night.  But that isn't really the point.

Am I the only one who was creeped out by the freaking huge Andraste statue?  I mean damn...

I was more curious about who all the guys holding the incence censers were supposed to be. Soldiers in her army?
The faithful? Why were they all men?

Oh balls. ToP. Here

by lingering-song

Modifié par dpMeggers, 05 mai 2011 - 07:43 .

[CatOfEvilGenius]

edited to add:

@Thebrute7 - There is difference of opinion among players about the time of day the Chantry got jenga'd.  Light coming in the Chantry windows, Meredith and Orsino be running around looking for Elthina instead of sleeping, etc., that indicates not-night to me.  Also, Anders goal was to kill Elthina, so there would be no compromise, right?  Does Elthina sleep in the Chantry?  Does she stay there working into the wee hours of the night?  If not, she wouldn't be there at night.  If others want to interpret the game differently, no problem.  Just asking them to agree that if someone thinks people were awake, it's reasonable to assume people were praying. 

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

dpMeggers wrote...

Ok so that's really OT but to bring it back to Anders, this probably isn't the case in the Chantry? Nobody went to the Death Star to pray. People probably went to the Chantry to pray (and stare at the MASSIVE gold statues. Seriously. Melt those down and you could probably feed all of Darktown for a year.)

Probably not.

Really, it all boils to whether you're ok with premeditated killing of innocent people for a cause.  It happens all the time in war; every government does it, and it's apparently ok when accompanied with a legal stamp, but not ok when it's a guy acting on his beliefs independent of legal sanction.  Anders isn't specifically out to kill innocent people any more than bombing runs are, but it happens as an ugly fact.  

And to bring it back to Thedas and out of real life, it's only a relatively recent phenomenon that has governments IRL caring at all about whether their actions cause collateral damage (I hate that phrase, but it works).  In Thedas?  They don't seem to give a damn.  Even Elthina seems resigned to the possibility than an Exalted March will kill innocents, and the Divine doesn't appear perturbed by that.

(I realize you're not saying it's okay, you're talking about public perception and reaction.)

For me, it's not a question of okay, it's never okay, but a question of "avoidable or not".  Not a question of "legal stamp" either.  It doesn't matter to me at all that Anders acted alone, and not at the behest of a first enchanter or such.  What matters to me is I thought he had other, better options.  (Those being a whole discussion the thread has had many times, won't rehash.)

Modifié par CatOfEvilGenius, 05 mai 2011 - 08:06 .

[meonlyred]

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[Camilladilla]

meonlyred wrote...

*Delurks*

Submitted for your approval

Artist me

Holy crap, kudos to you for doing something with this perspective and pulling it off!

[CatOfEvilGenius]

It just occurred to me that maybe I'm not allowed to post totally nekkid Andersbutt pictures in the BioWare forums, like I just did. Going to go read the forum rules... If anyone knows offhand, let me know, please.


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dpMeggers wrote:
I was more curious about who all the guys holding the incence censers were supposed to be. Soldiers in her army?
The faithful? Why were they all men?

The guys in templar armor in the jenga scene?  I assume those were templar bodyguards, or templars assigned to the Chantry, or templars there for evening prayers.  Didn't even notice they had cencers!  Was too busy screaming at David Gaider.

Modifié par CatOfEvilGenius, 05 mai 2011 - 08:22 .

[Mekarah]

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

It just occurred to me that maybe I'm not allowed to post totally nekkid Andersbutt pictures in the BioWare forums, like I just did. Going to go read the forum rules... If anyone knows offhand, let me know, please.

Considering you can't even curse, I'd say it's probably frowned upon. Myself, I have no qualms about Andersbutt pictures, though I will say it makes viewing this thread at work harder (giggity)

[SurelyForth]

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

It just occurred to me that maybe I'm not allowed to post totally nekkid Andersbutt pictures in the BioWare forums, like I just did. Going to go read the forum rules... If anyone knows offhand, let me know, please.

I don't know about rules, but I have posted a whole hell of a lot of Alistair/Cousland ass on these boards and have never heard anything about it. I wouldn't worry about it.

[meonlyred]

Camilladilla wrote...

meonlyred wrote...

*Delurks*

Submitted for your approval
/AndersPic
Artist me

Holy crap, kudos to you for doing something with this perspective and pulling it off!

Thanks

[CalJones]

Heh. I'd have laughed if the Chantry had gone up and Anders turned around and said "I didn't do it."

Does anyone else find it impossible to romance anyone else after romancing Anders? Believe me, I've tried, but I find it difficult to engage with the others on quite the same level.

[CatOfEvilGenius]

SurelyForth wrote...

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

It just occurred to me that maybe I'm not allowed to post totally nekkid Andersbutt pictures in the BioWare forums, like I just did. Going to go read the forum rules... If anyone knows offhand, let me know, please.

I don't know about rules, but I have posted a whole hell of a lot of Alistair/Cousland ass on these boards and have never heard anything about it. I wouldn't worry about it.

@Mekarah
@SurelyForth

Thanks!  Lots of Alistair/Cousland ass, you say?  Hm, I may need to peruse some of your posts.  To help me figure out forum rules.  Yes.

[CatOfEvilGenius]

CalJones wrote...

Heh. I'd have laughed if the Chantry had gone up and Anders turned around and said "I didn't do it."

Does anyone else find it impossible to romance anyone else after romancing Anders? Believe me, I've tried, but I find it difficult to engage with the others on quite the same level.

Oh my, yes!  Fenris, mopey bigot for years on end.  Merrill, adorable, but a bit blind to some facts.  Isabela, I can't get past her shallow facade, even knowing it's a facade.  However, if Varric were romanceable, you wouldn't be able to pry my Hawke off him.  He has the qualities I like in Anders, great looks, humor, kindness, facial scruffies, but none of the zealotry and crazypants.  Also, he is a convenient height.  And has broad, manly shoulders.  Wait, I meant to say sorry Anders, you're the only one for my Hawke, I will always luuuuv you!
<3

Modifié par CatOfEvilGenius, 05 mai 2011 - 08:34 .

[Mekarah]

CalJones wrote...

Does anyone else find it impossible to romance anyone else after romancing Anders? Believe me, I've tried, but I find it difficult to engage with the others on quite the same level.

I find it difficult because it's obvious the poor guy loves Hawke regardless of whether you pursue it or not, so it's like, I dunno, the guy already has enough issues, I don't want to add a broken heart to it.

Plus, the grin.

[CatOfEvilGenius]

Mekarah wrote...

CalJones wrote...

Does anyone else find it impossible to romance anyone else after romancing Anders? Believe me, I've tried, but I find it difficult to engage with the others on quite the same level.

I find it difficult because it's obvious the poor guy loves Hawke regardless of whether you pursue it or not, so it's like, I dunno, the guy already has enough issues, I don't want to add a broken heart to it.

Plus, the grin.

And the face nomming!  Oh lawdy, the face nomming!  Mmmmmmm...
(pants)

Modifié par CatOfEvilGenius, 05 mai 2011 - 08:36 .

[dpMeggers]

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

dpMeggers wrote...
I was more curious about who all the guys holding the incence censers were supposed to be. Soldiers in her army?
The faithful? Why were they all men?

The guys in templar armor in the jenga scene?  I assume those were templar bodyguards, or templars assigned to the Chantry, or templars there for evening prayers.  Didn't even notice they had cencers!  Was too busy screaming at David Gaider.

No the statues of men lining the walls as you walk in, and then one more on each side of the Andraste statue. I'm a consoler or I'd offer screenshots to show what I mean.

Edit: They're kind of on the walls in the concept art. But they are there in the game too.

Modifié par dpMeggers, 05 mai 2011 - 08:42 .

[CatOfEvilGenius]

dpMeggers wrote...

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

dpMeggers wrote...
I was more curious about who all the guys holding the incence censers were supposed to be. Soldiers in her army?
The faithful? Why were they all men?

The guys in templar armor in the jenga scene?  I assume those were templar bodyguards, or templars assigned to the Chantry, or templars there for evening prayers.  Didn't even notice they had cencers!  Was too busy screaming at David Gaider.

No the statues of men lining the walls as you walk in, and then one more on each side of the Andraste statue. I'm a consoler or I'd offer screenshots to show what I mean.

Oh, those guys!  That I also did not notice, for I am quite oblivious when screaming at David Gaider.  Statues of Chantry brothers?  Or maybe Maferath and Hessarian?  Or Shartan and Hessarian?  Do you recall what they were wearing?

[thebrute7]

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

CalJones wrote...

Heh. I'd have laughed if the Chantry had gone up and Anders turned around and said "I didn't do it."

Does anyone else find it impossible to romance anyone else after romancing Anders? Believe me, I've tried, but I find it difficult to engage with the others on quite the same level.

Oh my, yes!  Fenris, mopey bigot for years on end.  Merrill, adorable, but a bit blind to some facts.  Isabela, I can't get past her shallow facade, even knowing it's a facade.  However, if Varric were romanceable, you wouldn't be able to pry my Hawke off him.  He has the qualities I like in Anders, great looks, humor, kindness, facial scruffies, but none of the zealotry and crazypants.  Also, he is a convenient height.  And has broad, manly shoulders.  Wait, I meant to say sorry Anders, you're the only one for my Hawke, I will always luuuuv you!
<3

QFT 

[Jean]

I can romance other characters, but I find Anders' to be the most... impactful for me and not just for his story involvement. I enjoy Fenris' romance and like that it ends much more hopeful, but I forget that I ever romanced him in a playthrough sometimes.

Anders is just the right amount of cray cray for me.

[cleosilver]

CalJones wrote...

Heh. I'd have laughed if the Chantry had gone up and Anders turned around and said "I didn't do it."

 

Like this?

www.youtube.com/watch

[Dunizel]

CalJones wrote...

Heh. I'd have laughed if the Chantry had gone up and Anders turned around and said "I didn't do it."

Does anyone else find it impossible to romance anyone else after romancing Anders? Believe me, I've tried, but I find it difficult to engage with the others on quite the same level.

Eh, yes, I have this problem too. 
I romanced Fenris first, both friendly and rivalry (and was a bit disappointed that really the romance doesn't change much at all, but whatever).

Then I went for Anders, I liked it in Awakening but my Warden had Zevran so...it's hard to replace him
Well, in DA2 I simply cannot romance anyone else now. The other romances don't have the same intensity
Merril I'm happy to have her as a rival, I think for her it's the best thing to do, it's like I'm helping a friend and it doesn't appeal me at all as LI. Too much naivete...
Isabela I had to try hard to like her aready. I understood she is capable of good feelings, she cares and has even some really intelligent comments but...no way, she could be a good friend to laugh with, but nothing more. 

Nothing compares to Anders and his impossible love for Hawke...you might like it or not, but he loves you xD
If only he could be in the dialogues a little bit more funny, like he is with Varric in the banters...

[Ninche]

CalJones wrote...

Does anyone else find it impossible to romance anyone else after romancing Anders? Believe me, I've tried, but I find it difficult to engage with the others on quite the same level.

Yup, he totally ruined me for anyone else . Merill feels too much like a little sister to me, Isabella is fine for a fling but I can't imagine being seriously interested in her, even with the (apprently) good heart under the significant bosom, Fenris I used to hate, because of his hatred for mages and his lack of interest in anything but his own wronging - I don't hate him any longer and I'd even like for him to be happy with someone, just not my Hawke. Even if I could get with Aveline I think of her as an older cousin or an auntie now.
And I'm not even going to discuss Sebastian. 

I'm currently struggling to ignore Anders in Act 2 long enough to make it with Fenris first, it's paaaainful, I know that passion and panting is just around the Darktown corner but I can't have it yeeet 

[Melca36]

CalJones wrote...

Heh. I'd have laughed if the Chantry had gone up and Anders turned around and said "I didn't do it."

Does anyone else find it impossible to romance anyone else after romancing Anders? Believe me, I've tried, but I find it difficult to engage with the others on quite the same level.

I've romanced Fenris had fun for the most part but I can't resist this face.................

[YamiSnuffles]

Has Anders ruined me for other romances? Yes and no.

Yes, in that he was the first one I romanced. So I have a sentimental fondness for his romance and I definitely think it's the one with the biggest impact. I find myself comparing the other romances and nothing about them seems to stack up. That mostly comes down to personal preference (I like Anders the most of the LIs and I also like everything he says more when it comes to the romance).

That said, no he hasn't completely ruined me for other romances because I do have Hawkes that are romancing other LIs. If I want to roleplay some of them correctly, I just can't see them all falling for Anders. I can't see my "I just don't give a damn" rogue putting up with Anders intensity, politics, or any of it.

So Anders will always be my favorite romance and will probably end up as the most romanced, but he certainly hasn't stopped me from branching out if it fits the character. Mostly what the Andersmance has made me do is replay my canonHawke a million times because I like that specific relationship the most.

Modifié par YamiSnuffles, 05 mai 2011 - 09:04 .