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[Heidenreich]

Retrogue wrote...

Anders romance question here. Sorry to veer the discussion off-topic, but I haven't played through Act II yet so I don't even have an opinion on his end-game actions. But let's just say my rogue enjoys being a little rebel with him.

During the Questioning Beliefs quest, I really wanted her to say "I don't do it for you, Anders" because the truth of the matter is... She doesn't. She does it for her sister and the memory of her father. However, every time I selected that, there was then no other option to initiate the kiss and the promise of a nocturnal visit. Is saying "I always like to help the underdog" or "I do it for you" the only ways to trigger a romance with Anders? She's flirted with him before, but is this the only window? Because she is not one to coddle people.

the reason this stops the romance, is because you're not saying "I support mages" by selecting the "I'm not doing it for you" chat option. You're saying you stopped him from killing the girl because he's dangerous. Aka : You're being a jerk to him when he's in a manic-depression moment.

Say anything else, and it'll trigger it. Just don't tell him you stopped him because he's a monster who can't crontrol himself ;p

[Retrogue]

*pouts* All this time, I've chosen mostly the aggressive, abrupt responses to everything with the occasional sarcastic barb. ...And I'd like to think that Anders secretly finds the fact she's a hardass with people kind of hot. Of course, it helps that she agrees with him 100% about mages and the Circle... And Merril.

At least she got to snap at him, "Don't tell me, show me."

Modifié par Retrogue, 06 mai 2011 - 04:31 .

[Ninche]

ElleMullineux wrote...

Ninche!!! I'm trying to avoid blushing for the last twenty minutes now. I'll have to save it for on my phone on the train. Can I call you my internet bestie for supplying me with kink?

:D<3



@Retrogue Oh just wait till you get to the first night together scene - you can't avoid certain OOC spasticness - I think in our heads none of our Hawkes would ever say some of that stuff

Modifié par Ninche, 06 mai 2011 - 04:34 .

[Retrogue]

Oh, this song reflects what goes through Anders' head when he finally gives in and falls for Hawke after "Questioning Beliefs". . Justice can be out of sight, out of mind for a while, right? I mean, they don't exactly live very safely so they might as well make the most of things for fear of running out of time. I'm probably completely misinterpreting the song, but here it is.

"Adolescents" by Incubus

I’m feeling out of bounds, out of bounds
I’m running out of time, out of time
I know there’s no such thing as either of them
But its doesn’t make me feel any better

Out of sight, out of mind
Out of sight, out of mind
We’re out of time
We’re out of mind
Out of mind
Out of mind
Yeah, yeah

I’m feeling overwhelmed, overwhelmed
It’s getting out of line, line, line
I know I’m not alone
Just adolescents, you and I
It doesn’t make me feel any better

Out of sight, out of mind
Out of sight, out of mind
We’re out of time
We’re out of mind
Out of mind
Out of mind
Yeah, yeah bloglyrics.net
Out of sight, out of mind
Out of sight, out of mind
We’re out of time
We’re out of mind
Out of mind
Out of mind
We’re out of mind
Yeah

Modifié par Retrogue, 06 mai 2011 - 04:37 .

[Retrogue]

Ninche wrote...

@Retrogue Oh just wait till you get to the first night together scene - you can't avoid certain OOC spasticness - I think in our heads none of our Hawkes would ever say some of that stuff

They had their first night and I found that what I saw did not do it justice. Have any of you seen or read Cider House Rules? Homer Wells, a young, socially awkward doctor says to his love interest after rolling out of bed,

I've looked at so many women. I've seen everything, and felt nothing. But when I look at you, it hurts.

I totally think Anders would say that.

Modifié par Retrogue, 06 mai 2011 - 04:48 .

[Jean]

sassperella wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

sassperella wrote...

they recently did a poll on facebook asking who the favourite characters were out of four. Someone suggested it might be DLC related, as there were only four - Varric, Merril, Isabella and Anders. Anders was way way way behind the other three though

Eh, I wouldn't put too much emphasis on it. They're hardly going to use a FB poll to determine favourites for something as costly as a full DLC, and Anders' DA2 writer is on leave at the moment anyway. Given that Fenris is pretty popular himself, I'd also doubt he'd be out of the running.

We already know that Anders is one of the least-liked companions, this isn't news. His death was the big moment for DA2 and bringing him back in any further games would be akin to a US Warden or Alistair showing up in the Hanged Man, so we can be pretty bloody sure we won't see him in any large post-boom role.
I would be sad (but unsurprised) if we never got an Anders-specific DLC, but for anything that takes place in the first seven years and also features the other companions, he's likely to be around even if he's not the main focus of the content.

Our best bet is to keep an eye on what Adam Howden's doing, and if he hints at further BioWare work. It's not a guarantee - Brekker might miraculously return from the dead - but it's better than nothing!

True... they said the poll was for feedback so a couple of people assumed it could be dlc. I'm not expecting any Anders specific dlc myself but it would be a shame if they did any pre chantry dlc and he wasn't included.
It was odd that they only picked those four to put in the poll, and I was wondering if they were the only four voice actors available and they were looking into the highest three rated for a three man dlc party... However looking at the names that would mean both female LIs would be there and none of the male ones which would probably get some complaints.
It would be nice to get all our companions in pre chantry dlc but it wouldn't be cost effective, I can just see them having a party's worth and with Anders being so unpopular he may get missed out.

I don't know why they'd have to do a poll to know where those characters ranked amongst each other lol
Not being able to take my regular team because people don't like them makes me sad.

EDIT

Ninche wrote...

I think Anders is way too essential for the story to be completely left
out, and you're right, the character model and ambient dialogue is
already there - there's no reason not to re-use it, even if people hate
Anders so much it doesn't make sense to remove him from party selection.
Also, a DLC would be a good opportunity for the wirters to mess with
people's feelings even more by presenting new facts that might make them
re-think their judgmenet of Anders at the end of the game (It would
awesome if they could come up with a massive twist to make even the most
aggresive idiots think about stabbing anders in the back, but maybe
they don't want to undo all the hate if that's what they were aiming
for) I actually remain cautiously optimistic - I know Davind Gaider will
do what's good for the story as opposed to what the masses would
prefer, hopefully he won't be stopped by producers or w/e.

He was important in DAII whether you liked him or not, but I do think his big story moment was wrapped up at the end of the game. I'm not saying he's useless or should be thrown aside now, he certainly has more coming for him if he lived, but I think his big story moment is over so to speak.

Modifié par Batteries, 06 mai 2011 - 06:39 .

[CatOfEvilGenius]

highcastle wrote...

Sialater wrote...

(snip)

Yes.  He wants Hawke to hate him enough to stab him.  Or at least break up with him to protect her.

Yeah, that's definitely part of the impression I get too. I think the cruelty is very much intentional, very manipulative, and in my head-canon it probably causes him a lot of angst.

This!  I wub Anders as much as anyone, but the man is manipulative as hell, and he will use anything, sacrifice anything, including Hawke, to accomplish his goal.  I agree that part of him wants an end to his torment, and I think part of him wants to be a martyr for the cause, as he sees it anyway.  If he wanted to die, this was the way to do it.  My poor first playthrough Hawke just saw red at the end.  It was hard for her to think "this is a broken, messed up man who needs help", or to think anything at all.  In that moment, she just saw a liar who used her to commit needless murder (in her opinion).  That made him unlovable, that made her wonder if she'd ever known him at all.  Anders isn't the only one who gets to be highly emotional.

I need a playthrough with a Hawke who's a compulsive healer with an "I can fix it!  I must fix it!" attitude.  Poor Anders will fare much better in the end.

Never played a spirit healer in DA2, is it boring?  Should I just set myself on auto and play my damage dealer companions in a fight instead?

[CatOfEvilGenius]

sassparella wrote:

It would be nice to get all our companions in pre chantry dlc but it wouldn't be cost effective, I can just see them having a party's worth and with Anders being so unpopular he may get missed out.

I'm hoping the most popular AND the most "hated" get put in. BioWare likes to provoke strong reactions and inflict pain on us poor gamers, hence my hope.
* huggles Anders *
You'll always be in my headcanon, Anders, DLC or not!

[YamiSnuffles]

Hmm, I think the reaction to the lie must all be dependent on the player and the Hawke. My canon Hawke, for example, wasn't hurt in the slightest by the lie because she didn't believe it in the slightest. He seemed such an atrocious liar that it ended up being, "Okay, I'll help you with this 'potion' of yours." *wink wink nudge nudge* Plus, he was perfectly right; had he told that Hawke, she likely would have felt honor bound to kill him. Had her love overcome her senses and she had helped him, though, than that would have been even worse for her as he said.

The part that my Hawke got upset about was when she tried to question him further about his plans and his reaction was, "You're questioning me so you must not really love me!" Poor Hawke had supported him at every turn. She didn't like the fact that he would doubt her loyalty to the cause or to him. So for her it was less, "You're blackmailing me!" and more, "Boy, I just want to know a bit more about what you're doing, chillax!" <_<

So in the end she was aghast at what Anders had done, but, as I said, she understood perfectly well why he'd lied to her about it. As for his doubt in her loyalty and love... well, she got over that too. It's not like he's the poster child for emotional stability or healthy relationships, so it didn't come completely out of the blue. He was an emotional wreck at the time that he did that and now he's learned that Hawke really is there to see things through, no matter what.

Modifié par YamiSnuffles, 06 mai 2011 - 05:29 .

[CatOfEvilGenius]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Hmm, I think the reaction to the lie must all be dependent on the player and the Hawke. My canon Hawke, for example, wasn't hurt in the slightest by the lie because she didn't believe it in the slightest.

(snip)

Totally.  A Hawke that picks "there is no potion, is there" in conversation is rather different from one who doesn't.

I wonder if Anders' questioning of Hawke's loyalty is partly due to Vengeance?   Remember when Ella wonders if he's a demon and Vengeance starts screaming that she's against him and on the side of the templars, even though he just saw the templars torment her?  If the spirit has trouble with shades of grey and nuance, any doubt or questioning must be difficult for him to interpret properly.

[cleosilver]

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...


Never played a spirit healer in DA2, is it boring?  Should I just set myself on auto and play my damage dealer companions in a fight instead?

I ended up only switching her into spirit healer mode if I needed the big healing spells and just used her to nuke stuff most of the time.
I did play on normal though

[CalJones]

JesterPsychotica wrote...

http://img687.images...3/alighain3.png

Guys...why does scary Loghain pron always find me? I swear I was just looking for Alistair images. >.<

Nothing wrong with Loghain pron. I already had that image saved to my hard drive.

As far as Anders goes, I understand the confusion over why he lies to you but can anyone honestly say that they wouldn't have tried to stop him if they had known? (And as he says, he was more scared that Hawke would try to help. He doesn't want to drag Hawke down with him). Of course he's not going to admit what he's up to.
Still, he could have come up with a better excuse.

[YamiSnuffles]

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

I wonder if Anders' questioning of Hawke's loyalty is partly due to Vengeance?   Remember when Ella wonders if he's a demon and Vengeance starts screaming that she's against him and on the side of the templars, even though he just saw the templars torment her?  If the spirit has trouble with shades of grey and nuance, any doubt or questioning must be difficult for him to interpret properly.

I could see that. I think add Justice/Vengeance on top of the fact that he's got to be really messed up emotionally at that point, he's not acting the way he might normally. In a romance, he's already being forced to lie to his lover, he knows he's likely going to die soon, and it's making him act crazier then usual. So having Hawke question him at that point probably not only flares up his usual paranoia but also probably gets Vengeance raging. He's got that extra voice in his head telling him not to trust anyone- even Hawke- if they're not willing to help without question.

Modifié par YamiSnuffles, 06 mai 2011 - 05:37 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

CatOfEvilGenius wrote...

I wonder if Anders' questioning of Hawke's loyalty is partly due to Vengeance?   Remember when Ella wonders if he's a demon and Vengeance starts screaming that she's against him and on the side of the templars, even though he just saw the templars torment her?  If the spirit has trouble with shades of grey and nuance, any doubt or questioning must be difficult for him to interpret properly.

Ooh, I hadn't thought of that at all.  That's an excellent point.  Though in Ella's case, it was probably more dramatic since Justice/Vengeance was already entirely in control when Ella started talking.

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Hmm, I think the reaction to the lie must all be dependent on the player and the Hawke.

Agreed.  As a player, there was no way I could say no to Anders.  I have a weakness for blonde, scruffy men with big brown puppy eyes.  BioWare has a nasty habit of creating LIs with at least superficial similarities to my RL boyfriend.  It's a bit uncanny.

As for my Hawke, she had much the same reaction as yours.  My Hawke is a much better liar than Anders, so when he pulls the bull about the potion, she just kind of shrugs and has a chuckle at him behind his back and humors him.  She's a mage too, and a smart one--she knows something bad is going down when he asks her to sneak him into the Chantry.  

So when Anders does blow up the Chantry, she's surprised at the scale, and a bit miffed that he didn't let her light the blighted fuse.  And more than a bit miffed that he might have turned everyone against the mages.  But the act of terrorism itself?  Doesn't bat an eyelash, bless her crazy little heart 

[Melca36]

For what its worth, I don't think that facebook poll meant anything. There was a subsequent post on the official Dragon Age Tweeter that made me think that.

[Sable Rhapsody]

O.O

I should wait for ToP, but I can't. This is glorious. GLORIOUS.

[Amondra]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

O.O

I should wait for ToP, but I can't. This is glorious. GLORIOUS.

LOL I know.  This is why Nate and Anders need to be in DA3!! 

[YamiSnuffles]

Amondra wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

O.O

I should wait for ToP, but I can't. This is glorious. GLORIOUS.

LOL I know.  This is why Nate and Anders need to be in DA3!! 

The plot of DA3: find Nate and convince him the only way to stop the war is to have a threesome. Then proceed to have sex for the rest of the game and possibly find other people to join in.

DA3, aka, Dragon Age: Orgies

[meonlyred]

by savvid

What I won't give to be an apple right now.

[Amondra]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

O.O

I should wait for ToP, but I can't. This is glorious. GLORIOUS.

LOL I know.  This is why Nate and Anders need to be in DA3!! 

The plot of DA3: find Nate and convince him the only way to stop the war is to have a threesome. Then proceed to have sex for the rest of the game and possibly find other people to join in.

DA3, aka, Dragon Age: Orgies

We need this! >_>  I am happy Nate wasn't in DA2 and a LI.  I would be torn and I know they wouldn't have given me both like this.  I would just have to cry.

[Sable Rhapsody]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

The plot of DA3: find Nate and convince him the only way to stop the war is to have a threesome. Then proceed to have sex for the rest of the game and possibly find other people to join in.

DA3, aka, Dragon Age: Orgies

I am 100% down with this.  YOU HEAR ME BIOWARE?  The fans have spoken!

[Lady Dino]

Hey guys new Aimo arts!

http://aimo.deviantart.com/#/d3fpsub

Modifié par Lady Dino, 06 mai 2011 - 06:51 .

[YamiSnuffles]

Lady Dino wrote...

Hey guys new Aimo arts!

http://aimo.deviantart.com/#/d3fpsub

Hahaha. That's brilliant. Keep trying, Anders.

[nekhbet]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Threeparts wrote...



obb

Oh man, Dr. Anders. Better yet, Dr. Anders with glasses.

I would buy all of those. They'd be hilarious. I am definitely, 100% behing Izzy dressed as Jack Sparrow.

Ohhh man Dr. Anders. I think I just broke my back and my legs and my arms and my....

[CatOfEvilGenius]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...

The plot of DA3: find Nate and convince him the only way to stop the war is to have a threesome. Then proceed to have sex for the rest of the game and possibly find other people to join in.

DA3, aka, Dragon Age: Orgies

I am 100% down with this.  YOU HEAR ME BIOWARE?  The fans have spoken!

I think my brain just completely shut down, from facial scruffies overload, and... other things.
So... much... yum... in that picture.

edit: Who drew it?  Have to fangirl them.

Modifié par CatOfEvilGenius, 06 mai 2011 - 07:36 .