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[Rinji the Bearded]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

so wait guys i have a question, if you side with the templars will you always face off against anders at the end if you spare him? even romanced or rivalmanced?

Yes.  He stands up for the mages.

[nodice]

@DeaHamlet, little did I know that would happen! Only the really loyal ones get the Anders ending, bad bad Hawke...

SurelyForth wrote...

And Merrill even acknowledges the fight! It's wonderful. I have to say that I legitimately love the small touches they included for the romances. The post-death comforting, the concern after the Qunari revolt, and the reflection of the relationship in banter and discussions with other companions. My biggest complaint is that Act 3 is so sad for those romancing Anders, that a kiss or hug might have been nice. All we get is a fade to black if you flirt with him after you give him the key to the cellar. There's barely enough time to catch The Smirk!!

But back to the argument. It's perfect, I think. From the "my love" when he's never called Hawke that before, to the exasperated "I do love you, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with every decision" to the final, cold agreement.

Does she? What does she say? I never use Merrill, I don't like her. Now I think I should. 

The banters are almost the best part. There's a lot of genuine humane reaction going on. I think this lacked from DAO sometimes. Now it's just...you can't do stuff without people saying something. Just like in real life.

The argument is painful, Hawke sounds so bitter. It's painful precisely because of the "my love" and "I love you". 

The whole Act 3 is so tense. Anders takes a lot of space, it must be hellish to Hawke. You can't even talk to him, all he says is "I think we should concentrate on the task at hand" or something. Painful.

[YamiSnuffles]

nodice wrote...

The whole Act 3 is so tense. Anders takes a lot of space, it must be hellish to Hawke. You can't even talk to him, all he says is "I think we should concentrate on the task at hand" or something. Painful.

Huh. I always got him thanking me for always supporting him and that it's meant the world to him, or something like that. He still wouldn't talk to me, but I figured it was just because, as with about everyone else, he didn't get much Act 3 dialogue.

[crotti]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

crotti wrote...

*is listening to I'm Not Calling You A Liar*
... I can't listen to this song without thinking "Why is it called Varric's Theme? And... holy **** why does it remind me so much of the Anders romance?"
You have discussed this before, right? <_<" ... I just had to mention it again XD

._."

Actually, listening to a lot of Florence + the Machine makes me think of Anders now. I can't decide if it really is reflective of him/his romance, or if it's just because that's all that's on my brain recently.

XD
That's... quite possible.
Stupid Anders..

[nodice]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

crotti wrote...

*is listening to I'm Not Calling You A Liar*
... I can't listen to this song without thinking "Why is it called Varric's Theme? And... holy **** why does it remind me so much of the Anders romance?"
You have discussed this before, right? <_<" ... I just had to mention it again XD

._."

Actually, listening to a lot of Florence + the Machine makes me think of Anders now. I can't decide if it really is reflective of him/his romance, or if it's just because that's all that's on my brain recently.

Here here.

How about
The stars, the moon, they have all been blown out
You left me in the dark
No dawn, no day, I'm always in this twilight
In the shadow of your heart

[Thiefy]

leggywillow wrote...

I think I've found a difference between the Big Sexy Kiss scene for male and female Hawke in the rival-mance.

In the M!Hawke/Anders videos I've seen (I think uploaded by Ryzaki), you get the "kiss you or kill you" line, then Anders says "blah blah, smoldering between us" and the dialogue wheel comes up.  The top right option doesn't actually say anything; it just lets Anders leap into his kiss.

For the female version, the dialogue wheel doesn't even come up.  You don't get the "smoldering" line and Anders gives you the "wake aching for you" line and says something about madness and then GLOMP!  And a dialogue wheel pops up after.

Here are the videos for comparison: Lady Hawke and Man Hawke

The difference is pretty minor, but I thought other crazed Anders fans might be interested.    It's pretty obvious why they did it, since it gives the straight male players one last chance to avoid the kiss, while Lady Hawke has to wait until after the sexy kiss to say "WTF NO".

hm are you sure it's just not the difference between classes as well? one is a mage and the other i think a swordie?

[crotti]

Scary much? XD
... At least I'm not the only one...

Modifié par crotti, 21 mars 2011 - 03:07 .

[SurelyForth]

nodice wrote...

Does she? What does she say? I never use Merrill, I don't like her. Now I think I should. 

The banters are almost the best part. There's a lot of genuine humane reaction going on. I think this lacked from DAO sometimes. Now it's just...you can't do stuff without people saying something. Just like in real life.

The argument is painful, Hawke sounds so bitter. It's painful precisely because of the "my love" and "I love you". 

The whole Act 3 is so tense. Anders takes a lot of space, it must be hellish to Hawke. You can't even talk to him, all he says is "I think we should concentrate on the task at hand" or something. Painful.

(paraphrased)

Merrill: Poor Anders.
Fenris: You feel pity for him?
Merrill: I think he broke the one thing he wanted to save.
Fenris: *somethingsomethingsomething about mages*
Merrill: *something about how mages aren't the only ones who can **** up a good thing*
Fenris: Agreed.

[nodice]

crotti wrote...



Scary much? XD
...  At least I'm not the only one...

No you're not. The whole song is pretty andersy.

SurelyForth wrote...

(paraphrased)

Merrill: Poor Anders.
Fenris: You feel pity for him?
Merrill: I think he broke the one thing he wanted to save.
Fenris: *somethingsomethingsomething about mages*
Merrill: *something about how mages aren't the only ones who can **** up a good thing*
Fenris: Agreed.

[YamiSnuffles]

Oh man, I went to youtube to look for something else entirely, but then it was all, "We recommend all of these Anders videos." Totally derailed. Now I don't even remember what I was looking for. *goes back to watching Anders kiss*

[Ninche]

SidheKate wrote...

My problem with the Chantry is that inaction is a form of action. Varric's story between Acts 2 and 3 clearly says that things are getting worse because:
---> Meridith pushes
<---- mages push back
Chantry expects them to compromise, which means they end up
---> in the middle. Then:
---> Meridith pushes
<--- mages push back
---> They end up in the middle because the Grand Cleric wants them to compromise. But this is worse than where they began. Then, Meridith pushes...
Slowly but surely, everything became an unsustainable tightening of the noose around the mages' necks. The same (to me) was true with Sister Patrice, the Grand Cleric did nothing to stop her - and in fact promoted her between Acts 1 and 2 - and someone else had to handle the problem.

My problem with that last sad scene with Anders is that he is willing to accept death for his crimes. It frees him from the endless rage of Vengeance (that's what I read into the death-smile other people mentioned) and he knows he probably deserves it. Still, he leaves it in Hawke's hands. As much as it is that *GASP* moment, on both my play throughs all I can think of are Flemeth's words. There Hawke is, standing on the precipice of change, and he/she shouldn't be afraid to leap. At that moment, I wanted to grab Anders by the hand and go running to protect the mages, not have a debate about the morality of his actions. He can make up the lying-to-me part later.

Wow I really love that you reminded me of what Flemeth said, a great great line, thank you ^^

Because some people were talking about music: I have been mildly obsessed with the joy formidable and the songs: Why the Flies and 9669 remind me of anders (for no literal reason) 

Also a bunch of the smiths songs like "please please let me get what i want" (the kind of life ive had can turn a good man bad)

Anders

[DeaHamlet]

SurelyForth wrote...

Magaloo wrote...

do all the companions mentions the relationship with Anders? Varric, Aveline and Isabella mentionned him/romance at some point but no one else. I am not too worried about Merrill. She was so bugged in my 1st playthrough that I ended up really disliking her. (I had her locked in my party for the longest time but she was not interacting...)

Also love waking up, taking it slow and reading all the Anders goodness I missed!

Aveline does, during her Act 2 quest (but only if you've slept with him already).

Isabela and Varric have conversations with Hawke about it. If Isabela asks you to join her crew once she has a ship, you can say "What about Anders?" and she'll extend the offer to include him.

Merrill brings it up with Anders in banter (asking him if he's happy). Then, if you fight with Anders about helping him with the Grand Cleric, she muses that she feels bad for him because he might have broken the one thing he wanted to save.

If you romanced Fenris and then ended up with Anders, Fenris will tell Anders that he'll kill him if he breaks Hawke's heart.

Sebastian will warn you about Anders in the last conversation you have with him.
 

I so wish I could hear Fenris get all threatening and angry at Anders over Hawke (some stuff about Anders not revealing his heart unless he wants Fenris to destroy it... o.O) but I just cannot make myself take that route.  Can ya imagine something worse than leaving Fenris for Anders?  Oh my.  Well, other than being a blood mage but then you can rival romance him and still give him some... *ahem* satisfaction.

I think Merrill said that stuff about Anders even in the playthrough when I didn't romance him.

[crotti]

DeaHamlet wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Magaloo wrote...

do all the companions mentions the relationship with Anders? Varric, Aveline and Isabella mentionned him/romance at some point but no one else. I am not too worried about Merrill. She was so bugged in my 1st playthrough that I ended up really disliking her. (I had her locked in my party for the longest time but she was not interacting...)

Also love waking up, taking it slow and reading all the Anders goodness I missed!

Aveline does, during her Act 2 quest (but only if you've slept with him already).

Isabela and Varric have conversations with Hawke about it. If Isabela asks you to join her crew once she has a ship, you can say "What about Anders?" and she'll extend the offer to include him.

Merrill brings it up with Anders in banter (asking him if he's happy). Then, if you fight with Anders about helping him with the Grand Cleric, she muses that she feels bad for him because he might have broken the one thing he wanted to save.

If you romanced Fenris and then ended up with Anders, Fenris will tell Anders that he'll kill him if he breaks Hawke's heart.

Sebastian will warn you about Anders in the last conversation you have with him.
 

I so wish I could hear Fenris get all threatening and angry at Anders over Hawke (some stuff about Anders not revealing his heart unless he wants Fenris to destroy it... o.O) but I just cannot make myself take that route.  Can ya imagine something worse than leaving Fenris for Anders?  Oh my.  Well, other than being a blood mage but then you can rival romance him and still give him some... *ahem* satisfaction.

I think Merrill said that stuff about Anders even in the playthrough when I didn't romance him.

lol Anders just didn't want to show that he loved Hawke anyway XD

[DeaHamlet]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

so wait guys i have a question, if you side with the templars will you always face off against anders at the end if you spare him? even romanced or rivalmanced?

Yes.  He stands up for the mages.

Which I thought was so beautiful!  I was all *squee* and "OMG Anders I knew you'd be there to protect the mages!!!*... and he STILL didn't resort to black magic or demon crap.  Brava Anders, brava.

It made me so proud of him.  And he was soooooooo sad and disappointed, it was heart-wrenching but completely fitting.  Perfect, just... omg Bioware, I can forgive all your dumbing down of certain things in DA:2 just because of stuff like this.
That and the Alistair cameo *squee*

[DeaHamlet]

In fact, I'm 100% sure Merrill was talking about Justice when she said Anders broke something he cared about. Or the mage cause.

It's not the romance with Anders thing at all. She always says that eventually to Fenris.

[Ninche]

Oh my god don't get me started on the Alistair cameo! I was like HLP ME SAVE THE CITY PEOPLE ARE DYING and he's like. Nah, but here's an amulet from my old mage friend from the previous game to you - the mage of the new game - it gives you crit and physical damage or w/e. and may the maker be with you bla bla bla


I was like, you are SO lucky my other me is in love with you

[nodice]

DeaHamlet wrote...

Can ya imagine something worse than leaving Fenris for Anders?  Oh my.  Well, other than being a blood mage but then you can rival romance him and still give him some... *ahem* satisfaction.

How many people can you exactly sleep with in one game? You can do Fenris and then go with Anders? Way to boost the morale 

[DeaHamlet]

crotti wrote...
lol Anders just didn't want to show that he loved Hawke anyway XD

Come on, when you're not romancing him, he is all sorts of GRRRR and ARG at the Fenris thing.  He is so into Hawke no matter what!  I like to think when I'm not romancing him, it's unrequited love.. teehee.
And if you go for Anders after Fenris, Anders even says he loved Hawke and Fenris should stfu cause he knows nothing of love.  And then, of course, Fenris snaps at him cause you know he still loves Hawke too.

DRAMA.  

[Rinji the Bearded]

... The Alistair cameo made me mad because he called my warden the ol' ball and chain. THERE WILL BE BLOOD!!!

Well, apparently not. Oh Warden and Hawke, where did you go?

[crotti]

DeaHamlet wrote...

crotti wrote...
lol Anders just didn't want to show that he loved Hawke anyway XD

Come on, when you're not romancing him, he is all sorts of GRRRR and ARG at the Fenris thing.  He is so into Hawke no matter what!  I like to think when I'm not romancing him, it's unrequited love.. teehee.
And if you go for Anders after Fenris, Anders even says he loved Hawke and Fenris should stfu cause he knows nothing of love.  And then, of course, Fenris snaps at him cause you know he still loves Hawke too.

DRAMA.  

Ha!

Jealous companions = <3
:innocent:

Modifié par crotti, 21 mars 2011 - 03:29 .

[nodice]

RinjiRenee wrote...

... The Alistair cameo made me mad because he called my warden the ol' ball and chain. THERE WILL BE BLOOD!!!

Well, apparently not. Oh Warden and Hawke, where did you go?

This is a joke. Anders called Alistair the old ball and chain in Awakening 

[DeaHamlet]

nodice wrote...

DeaHamlet wrote...

Can ya imagine something worse than leaving Fenris for Anders?  Oh my.  Well, other than being a blood mage but then you can rival romance him and still give him some... *ahem* satisfaction.

How many people can you exactly sleep with in one game? You can do Fenris and then go with Anders? Way to boost the morale 

Hey, hey, HEY.  I didn't do any of that!  I just *ahem* winked at both Fenris and Anders once, then made my choice and went with it.
But you can sleep with Isa, Fenris... and then move on.  If you sleep with Merrill or Anders, you have to break their hearts to end it and I don't know if you can move on to someone else then.

[YamiSnuffles]

RinjiRenee wrote...

... The Alistair cameo made me mad because he called my warden the ol' ball and chain. THERE WILL BE BLOOD!!!

Well, apparently not. Oh Warden and Hawke, where did you go?

I forgave him for the ball and chain comment because Anders called Alistair the ol'ball and chain when my Warden said she'd be returning to him after everything was done. I laughed when Anders said it, so I figured I couldn't get mad when Alistair flipped it onto me.

[SurelyForth]

DeaHamlet wrote...
I so wish I could hear Fenris get all threatening and angry at Anders over Hawke (some stuff about Anders not revealing his heart unless he wants Fenris to destroy it... o.O) but I just cannot make myself take that route.  Can ya imagine something worse than leaving Fenris for Anders?  Oh my.  Well, other than being a blood mage but then you can rival romance him and still give him some... *ahem* satisfaction.

I rivalmanced Fenris and it was done and done. Seriously, his personal quest can be stumbled onto almost immediately after Act 2 starts and it's easy to have your relationship nealy maxed on either end to instigate the love scenes. Then he effectively ends it no matter what and then...Anders. I don't think I could do it w. a character who is Friendly with Fenris, though. Rivaled Fenris is such a dickweed I don't feel guilty at all.

And to answer an earlier question, I know you can sleep with three of the LIs  in one playthrough! My Hawke:

Rivalmanced Fenris and he left.

Then went and flirted with a Friendly Isabela, who came over immediately. After that was done, Hawke told her that it was just for fun (not in a mean way) and, in the next conversation, avoided any flirts. The romance with Anders triggered perfectly.

The only "glitches" were that Aveline referenced Fenris during her personal quest (but Hawke had just kissed Anders, and had not slept with him or invited him to live with her) and Varric said that everyone left Hawke, except for Isfendersela. Which...I'm not complaining.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 21 mars 2011 - 03:36 .

[DeaHamlet]

nodice wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

... The Alistair cameo made me mad because he called my warden the ol' ball and chain. THERE WILL BE BLOOD!!!

Well, apparently not. Oh Warden and Hawke, where did you go?

This is a joke. Anders called Alistair the old ball and chain in Awakening 

He did what?  When?

Was it if Alistair was king? (cause he wasn't in mine... elf and mage is like a double no-no in terms of queen stuff, BOO, so grey warden wootness for Alistair)