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[Jean]

He'll show up on his own. I think it has to do with how many party members you have at the end. I'm not sure. I think Nate can show up too?

[kromify]

i've seen donnic turn up, and i think the nobles i helped out in act 3. but why no one i care about??

[Ninche]

Batteries wrote...

Ninche wrote...

Batteries wrote...

you don't have to sleep with him to get him to show up.

And CAN you sleep with in DA2 him at all?  Anders has prevented me from discovering things about this game apparently...

If you leave your LI behind then yes I believe you can. Unless it's Isabela. Then you can have a threesome.

How do I always miss these things? =( And yes, I felt a sadistic glee at jealous Anders - oh so you can zip up your coat and deny me sexy times and exclude me from your evil plot but you get jealous when I flirt with the sexy elf? Hah!

Edit: haha maybe Isabela and Zevran can get it on with our character in every game, that's sort of sweet? We're all connected because we've all done Isabela? 

Modifié par Ninche, 08 mai 2011 - 05:51 .

[legbamel]

Batteries wrote...
He'll show up on his own. I think it has to do with how many party members you have at the end. I'm not sure. I think Nate can show up too?

Now that you mention it, he shows up on plays when I've lost Isabela for some reason (like feeding her to the Qunari, for instance) and I think the one he and Nate both showed up for was the one where Carver refused to join me at the end.  It's too bad they don't show up earlier like when you have to fight Fenris. 
ETA that I think Donnic only shows up if you ask Aveline to bring the guard in to help you.  But usually I'm too busy smacking statues to pay a lot of attention to who's running around the rest of the battlefield.  Too bad Alistair left town...

Modifié par legbamel, 08 mai 2011 - 05:55 .

[YamiSnuffles]

SurelyForth wrote...

So, completely off-topic, I just realized that had Leandra not ran off with Malcolm she would have married the Comte de Launcet. In which case, Hawke could have very well been Emile de Launcet.

Yeah, I was thinking about that a while ago. Made me even happier Malcolm whisked Leandra away. Although playing as Emile instead of Hawke supports my crack theory of Emile as the DA3 protagonist.

To bring this back on topic... um... would Anders have still loved Hawke if Hawke had been Emile de Launcet? 


EDIT: As to people coming to help, I've had a full party (as in everyone you can have around at the end except Seb) and had people come and help. I 've seen Zev, Donnic, and some others, I think. I don't know what causes them to show up or not though. You definitely don't have to sleep with Zevran though, as I never have.

Modifié par YamiSnuffles, 08 mai 2011 - 05:57 .

[kromify]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

So, completely off-topic, I just realized that had Leandra not ran off with Malcolm she would have married the Comte de Launcet. In which case, Hawke could have very well been Emile de Launcet.

Yeah, I was thinking about that a while ago. Made me even happier Malcolm whisked Leandra away. Although playing as Emile instead of Hawke supports my crack theory of Emile as the DA3 protagonist.

To bring this back on topic... um... would Anders have still loved Hawke if Hawke had been Emile de Launcet? 

don't reckon so; who could love a ginger tonsure? even issy didn't want to go near him! 

[kromify]

to be more on topic; could anders have loved hawke before he became JAnders?

[legbamel]

kromify wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...
So, completely off-topic, I just realized that had Leandra not ran off with Malcolm she would have married the Comte de Launcet. In which case, Hawke could have very well been Emile de Launcet.

Yeah, I was thinking about that a while ago. Made me even happier Malcolm whisked Leandra away. Although playing as Emile instead of Hawke supports my crack theory of Emile as the DA3 protagonist.

To bring this back on topic... um... would Anders have still loved Hawke if Hawke had been Emile de Launcet? 

don't reckon so; who could love a ginger tonsure? even issy didn't want to go near him! 

But you'd have Leandra genes instead of Orlesian Weenie genes on the mother's side.  He'd help you escape and hide you in his clinic.  Eventually, your hair would grow out and he would fall deeply in love.  Plus your family would still have its mansion so you could just skip the whole year of servitude and the Deep Roads. 

Kromify wrote...
to be more on topic; could anders have loved hawke before he became JAnders?

Love?  Yeah, if he was around for so long anyway.  But to the "drown us in blood" extent?  I doubt it.  He wouldn't be a tenth so desperate.

Modifié par legbamel, 08 mai 2011 - 06:06 .

[andrastepreserveme]

A witticism, courtesy of my fiancé:

Anders and Hawke

Sitting in a tree

J

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[YamiSnuffles]

kromify wrote...

to be more on topic; could anders have loved hawke before he became JAnders?

I certainly think so. It would have been a very different relationship, for sure. Pre-Justice Anders didn't seem like he was opposed to love in any way, just more that he never wanted to risk love while in the CIrcle and probably didn't have time to fall in love while escaping.

That said, some of the Hawkes that people have made might not have loved that Anders as he was lacking the level of intensity and passion he has in DA2. Or at least, the relationship would have evolved very differently.

[Threeparts]

kromify wrote...

to be more on topic; could anders have loved hawke before he became JAnders?

Yeah, I think so. Although he's definitely a flirt in Awakening, he says that he's been reluctant to let himself fall in love before Hawke because of the templar threat. And he obviously believes he's capable of feeling that way when he tells Hawke that he believes you can fall in love with a whole person and not a body.
So, if we met him in Awakening, while he was still an active Warden, or if he ran off to Kirkwall without being possessed, I think he probably would have still fallen in love with Hawke, though perhaps not so much in the frighteningly intense way. It might have taken a little longer and he might have acted a little less desperate and needy, but it would have happened.

I'm starting to wonder if Anders believes that Hawke is his Thedan equivalent of a soul-mate. He's essentially waited thirty or more years for that moment in at the estate where he tells Hawke he loves him/her.
He managed to resist for all his tower life from romantically loving anyone - people he's known for most of of his life, people he would probably have been close to - until he meets Hawke, and after three years of denial, finally admits how he feels. In the time it took Hawke to raise 50 sovereigns, make some friends and kill some dudes, he's began to care for Hawke enough that he is kept awake (and aching) by his thoughts.
That's gotta be some pretty intense feelings right there.

Sorry, Warden-Commanders of Ferelden: it was just never meant to be. 

[Dunizel]

kromify wrote...

he's never shown up for me... maybe i killed her too quickly!?

It's just a matter of how many people you have in yuor group, and who you are bringing in your party. 
First of all you have Cullen. Then your sibling (if alive), then Donnic (if Aveline in in the party), then some group member (for me it was Izzy and Varric). So I didn't see at all Zevran or Nathaniel. 
There is an order in their appearance, if you have too many people, you will never see them. I can't manage to see Nate for example, he is the last to show up xD
I managed to see Zev in the playthrough where Izzy disappeared with the book only

[Amondra]

mandamcmoo wrote...

A witticism, courtesy of my fiancé:

Anders and Hawke

Sitting in a tree

J

U

S

T

I

C

E

Rofl cookies for that!

[SurelyForth]

kromify wrote...

to be more on topic; could anders have loved hawke before he became JAnders?

Depends on a few things- the Hawke and how much of Anders' devotion is informed by his situation with Justice.

I can't see Awakening Anders being down for the rivalmance, for one thing. Admittedly, that's viewing him through the lens of the arppoval/disapproval system where not supporting mages or his own freedom and views just pisses him off instead of making him romantically obsessed. He's definitely someone who is seeking something that feels good, or makes him feel good, and I just never saw that Anders as a person who would suffer someone who disagreed with him on such a fundamental level for very long. His situation with Justice makes him more dependent on Hawke and thus it becomes almost impossible for him to not love her/him because of his/her role as the one person he feels like he can trust himself with.

[TripLight]

Threeparts wrote...

kromify wrote...

to be more on topic; could anders have loved hawke before he became JAnders?

Yeah, I think so. Although he's definitely a flirt in Awakening, he says that he's been reluctant to let himself fall in love before Hawke because of the templar threat. And he obviously believes he's capable of feeling that way when he tells Hawke that he believes you can fall in love with a whole person and not a body.
So, if we met him in Awakening, while he was still an active Warden, or if he ran off to Kirkwall without being possessed, I think he probably would have still fallen in love with Hawke, though perhaps not so much in the frighteningly intense way. It might have taken a little longer and he might have acted a little less desperate and needy, but it would have happened.

I'm starting to wonder if Anders believes that Hawke is his Thedan equivalent of a soul-mate. He's essentially waited thirty or more years for that moment in at the estate where he tells Hawke he loves him/her.
He managed to resist for all his tower life from romantically loving anyone - people he's known for most of of his life, people he would probably have been close to - until he meets Hawke, and after three years of denial, finally admits how he feels. In the time it took Hawke to raise 50 sovereigns, make some friends and kill some dudes, he's began to care for Hawke enough that he is kept awake (and aching) by his thoughts.
That's gotta be some pretty intense feelings right there.

Sorry, Warden-Commanders of Ferelden: it was just never meant to be. 

Isani Surana might have just thrown herself on her sword/staff when she realizes that, she's been carrying a torch for the brat for years.

And speaking of PC's who do you like better, The Warden or Hawke? I do prefer the Warden mainly because of how customizeable they are, but I love the Dipolmatic/Sarcastic/Aggressive Dialogue system.

[Melca36]

Just want to say its nice to be able to post on a board where  people are not considered teorrist supporters for liking Anders.

People need to remember this is a freaking game. Geesh! <_<


Second...

Did it bug anybody else when Leandra is suddenly referred to as 'Mistress Amell"?


Just because Hawke is Hawke...Leandra could not be called Mistress Hawke?

[Amondra]

Melca36 wrote...

Just want to say its nice to be able to post on a board where  people are not considered teorrist supporters for liking Anders.

People need to remember this is a freaking game. Geesh! <_<


Second...

Did it bug anybody else when Leandra is suddenly referred to as 'Mistress Amell"?


Just because Hawke is Hawke...Leandra could not be called Mistress Hawke?

My Hawke took it as a mockery of her father, and was not pleased with mother<_<  in fact in my head canon my Hawke was not please with her family at all.  She felt her dad's memory got the boot when "We are nobles" was brought up.

[TripLight]

Melca36 wrote...

Just want to say its nice to be able to post on a board where  people are not considered teorrist supporters for liking Anders.

People need to remember this is a freaking game. Geesh! <_<


Second...

Did it bug anybody else when Leandra is suddenly referred to as 'Mistress Amell"?


Just because Hawke is Hawke...Leandra could not be called Mistress Hawke?

She was certaintly quick to go back to her maiden-name. Maybe she missed basking in the snobbery of the upper-class? Aruna Hawke thought her mother was trying to live in the past.

[legbamel]

Amondra wrote...

Melca36 wrote...
Just want to say its nice to be able to post on a board where  people are not considered teorrist supporters for liking Anders.

People need to remember this is a freaking game. Geesh! <_<

Second...

Did it bug anybody else when Leandra is suddenly referred to as 'Mistress Amell"?

Just because Hawke is Hawke...Leandra could not be called Mistress Hawke?

My Hawke took it as a mockery of her father, and was not pleased with mother<_<  in fact in my head canon my Hawke was not please with her family at all.  She felt her dad's memory got the boot when "We are nobles" was brought up.

Leandra really irritated me the whole game.  She's quick to point the finger at Hawke for Carver and Bethany while her happy ass is running around trying to get an appointment with the Viscount rather than a freaking job.  Then you move her in there and you can't ever go in her room, even when she's dead, and she pretends your father never existed.  <_<

[Threeparts]

TripLight wrote...

Isani Surana might have just thrown herself on her sword/staff when she realizes that, she's been carrying a torch for the brat for years.

And speaking of PC's who do you like better, The Warden or Hawke? I do prefer the Warden mainly because of how customizeable they are, but I love the Dipolmatic/Sarcastic/Aggressive Dialogue system.

While I'm definitely fond of my Wardens, I love how much more fleshed out my Hawkes are.

The Warden's story is, naturally enough, focused on the Blight, the crisis at hand, so we never really get to know them as a person. We get to make choices and the occasional joke, hear a bit of backstory and make some friends, but it always felt to me like the Warden was being set up to be The Hero, rather than a person who became a hero. You learn way more about your companions than you ever get to reveal about yourself.

Hawke is a person foremost. The story isn't about how Hawke saved the world - not if you are playing the game instead of reading the marketing BS. The story is exploring who Hawke the person is, and how that person did the things that followed. While it limits how much variety your story will have - you always come from the same place, the same family, people will always treat you in the same manner - I find you're able to express yourself better.

Part of it are limitations due to the variety of Origins that DA:O had: they didn't allow for a more nuanced story like Hawke's, where the character is the same person with many different facets. I'm sure if DA:O was remade in the style of DA2 (voiced protagonist, dialogue wheel, facial expressions) I might feel differently. But right now the Hero of Ferelden feels more like a storybook character or figure of legend than Hawke, who feels like someone I could meet at a pub and chat to over a pint.

That was a lot of writing to answer a simple question, sorry. It's almost 5am and I'm getting chatty. 

Modifié par Threeparts, 08 mai 2011 - 06:43 .

[kromify]

TripLight wrote...
And speaking of PC's who do you like better, The Warden or Hawke? I do prefer the Warden mainly because of how customizeable they are, but I love the Dipolmatic/Sarcastic/Aggressive Dialogue system.

hawke is always the same for me despite the dialogue choices. what makes my wardens unique is their origin stories; amell throws herself into the wardens because she hated the circle, while mahariel constantly pined for her clan. it changes their motivations and this makes them more real to me. hawke can only choose to blame mages or not

alternatively my quick answer; warden.  

edit; pipped to the post by threeparts i see! 

Modifié par kromify, 08 mai 2011 - 06:47 .

[Melca36]

I'm glad I'm not alone when it comes Leandra. It really irked me to see the change in her but then again alot of my Hawkes were always more devoted to their father. 

I always envisioned my Hawke and her father helping other apostates in Lothering.


Leandra just became more annoying as the game progressed. 

Modifié par Melca36, 08 mai 2011 - 06:48 .

[Threeparts]

Melca36 wrote...

Did it bug anybody else when Leandra is suddenly referred to as 'Mistress Amell"?


Just because Hawke is Hawke...Leandra could not be called Mistress Hawke?

Actually... do we know for sure that Leandra and Malcolm ever married? We know they ran off together and had children, but did they ever wed, or was it more a common-law marriage?
If the latter, then it would make sense for her children to be Hawkes while Leandra was an Amell. I believe marriages would have been performed by the Chantry, after all, and Malcolm was an apostate.

[Melca36]

Threeparts wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

Did it bug anybody else when Leandra is suddenly referred to as 'Mistress Amell"?


Just because Hawke is Hawke...Leandra could not be called Mistress Hawke?

Actually... do we know for sure that Leandra and Malcolm ever married? We know they ran off together and had children, but did they ever wed, or was it more a common-law marriage?
If the latter, then it would make sense for her children to be Hawkes while Leandra was an Amell. I believe marriages would have been performed by the Chantry, after all, and Malcolm was an apostate.

Oh my goodness! That is a valid point!

I sure wish we had a writer explanation for this.