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[kromify]

i think leandra changed her name back for more political/social reasons. though a common law marriage does seem likely

Modifié par kromify, 08 mai 2011 - 06:51 .

[Amondra]

legbamel wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Melca36 wrote...
Just want to say its nice to be able to post on a board where  people are not considered teorrist supporters for liking Anders.

People need to remember this is a freaking game. Geesh! <_<

Second...

Did it bug anybody else when Leandra is suddenly referred to as 'Mistress Amell"?

Just because Hawke is Hawke...Leandra could not be called Mistress Hawke?

My Hawke took it as a mockery of her father, and was not pleased with mother<_<  in fact in my head canon my Hawke was not please with her family at all.  She felt her dad's memory got the boot when "We are nobles" was brought up.

Leandra really irritated me the whole game.  She's quick to point the finger at Hawke for Carver and Bethany while her happy ass is running around trying to get an appointment with the Viscount rather than a freaking job.  Then you move her in there and you can't ever go in her room, even when she's dead, and she pretends your father never existed.  <_<

Seriously.  It was nice to be the family's punching bag, adds angst for Anders.  But seriously you get blamed and your mother is like so I am an Amell again, forget your father.  Also my canon was a warrior so when Bethany was like "I wonder is mother would have been happier."  All I could think of is "Please don't make me break you jaw...I will...and no Anders won't heal it."

[legbamel]

How about a song for Creeper Anders if you break up with him. I had a great time picturing him playing the lute and singing this one: Don't Step on It.

[TripLight]

I did want an option to give Leandra a dressing-down, but then again, she did lose a child. I have an aunt who lost her son, my cousin, at 14 years of age, I have seen what that can do to a person. It took her a long time before she could talk about him without understandably breaking down in tears. I think Theoden from the "LOTR, Two Towers" movie put it perfectly, "No parent should ever have to bury their child." They are never the same.

[Amondra]

legbamel wrote...

How about a song for Creeper Anders if you break up with him. I had a great time picturing him playing the lute and singing this one: Don't Step on It.

here is another good creeper song for him too!

[darkgriever26]

Funny how I've seen so many post in other threads that do not like Anders because of what he did. I mean come on! Why so hyped? Guess I do not mind if he blows the whole chantry up because I still support him all the way! And I thought friend-mancing Anders was the only option, now I'm waiting for the bug fix of the Rival-mance part. I wanna see the kiss without using a debugger.

I'm also wondering if ever he would be back in DA3 because he will, that would be great! I still have the feeling that he has still much to do [and I can't find his damn corpse when you kill him in a templar playthough (while there is still no way to convince him to join my Hawke) I never killed it when I have ti kill Anders. He's the best healer I got]

Modifié par darkgriever26, 08 mai 2011 - 07:04 .

[Ninche]

kromify wrote...

to be more on topic; could anders have loved hawke before he became JAnders?

I always thought that was part of the tragic beauty of the Anders' romance - Justice is essentially poisoning his mind and clouding his judgement, but thanks to the merge Anders is finally able to love - fiercely and truly. I'm not saying Awakening Anders wasn't capable of love or didn't want it - but being free to move around freely unbound to anything in order to avoid re-capture as long as possible seems like his first priority. I can imagine him breaking a lot fo hearts - when it came down to it - he'd leave anyone and anything behind if it meant he could run away from all the circle and templar trouble a little longer. JAnders has found something greater then his own life and freedom and is finally able to stop running and help others. It's pretty much a transition from selfish to selfless and Hawke was definitely not part of the plan. 

I'm not sure Awakening Anders would fall for Hawke because I'm not sure he'd go to Kirkwall in the first place - not for Karl or anyone. To me all the decisions that led to Hawke are only possible because of the merge - AAnders wouldn't have stayed in Kirkwall  and ended up running a free clinic to help people at the constant risk of being dragged to yet another circle, and therefore he'd never be able to meet Hawke and even if he did somehow meet him/her I don't think he'd stick around long enough to fall in love. 
Sorry for the loong ramble - to sum up: I  like AAnders but I could never love him like i love Janders <3

[andrastepreserveme]

Threeparts wrote...
I believe marriages would have been performed by the Chantry, after all, and Malcolm was an apostate.

This is basically my feeling. As much as they loved each other I doubt they could marry.

[Threeparts]

 I agree, TripLight. It's natural to lash out when you're upset and want to have someone to accuse, and no one can say a parent who just lost their child (in a horribly violent manner right in front of them) is going to be in the most rational state of mind. Hell, Hawke can do it to Aveline after Leandra dies.
She's still grieving a year later in Gamlen's hovel, but she blames herself there, not Hawke.

As for abandoning all thoughts of her husband and previous life, keep in mind that by Act II she's been a widow for seven years: Aveline moved on after less time mourning Wesley.
She's also back in a city where she grew up and has fond memories of a relatively care-free, relaxed childhood. I can't really fault her for wanting to recapture some of that after 25 years of being rejected by her family, living in hiding from her religion's soldiers, raising three kids - at least one of whom is a mage - without relying on outside help, and ending up living in a house outside of Lothering, of all places.
If surviving all of that means she gets to relax during the last years of her life in a house she loves, then I say she deserves it. 

Modifié par Threeparts, 08 mai 2011 - 07:11 .

[highcastle]

TripLight wrote...

I did want an option to give Leandra a dressing-down, but then again, she did lose a child. I have an aunt who lost her son, my cousin, at 14 years of age, I have seen what that can do to a person. It took her a long time before she could talk about him without understandably breaking down in tears. I think Theoden from the "LOTR, Two Towers" movie put it perfectly, "No parent should ever have to bury their child." They are never the same.

You know, I never disliked Leandra for what she said. Yes, it was cruel and unfair, but that's what makes us human. We're not always at our best in times of grief. Look at Hawke's potential reactions after losing his mother, after all. Blaming the mages is just another facet of that same kind of anger. Plus, Leandra realizes it and apologizes after the fact.

[Dunizel]

I'm just going to drop this here

by monkeymu 

[tmp7704]

Melca36 wrote...

Did it bug anybody else when Leandra is suddenly referred to as 'Mistress Amell"?

Just because Hawke is Hawke...Leandra could not be called Mistress Hawke?

I can't recall the exact example now,but there's at least one another female in DA who doesn't share last name with her husband. It could be very well optional (like it's not unusual nowadays) and she's been always an Amell.

[kromify]

highcastle wrote...

TripLight wrote...

I did want an option to give Leandra a dressing-down, but then again, she did lose a child. I have an aunt who lost her son, my cousin, at 14 years of age, I have seen what that can do to a person. It took her a long time before she could talk about him without understandably breaking down in tears. I think Theoden from the "LOTR, Two Towers" movie put it perfectly, "No parent should ever have to bury their child." They are never the same.

You know, I never disliked Leandra for what she said. Yes, it was cruel and unfair, but that's what makes us human. We're not always at our best in times of grief. Look at Hawke's potential reactions after losing his mother, after all. Blaming the mages is just another facet of that same kind of anger. Plus, Leandra realizes it and apologizes after the fact.

i thought it was nice that could move on with her life. i think it was 10 years since malcolm died anyhow - more than enough time for a grown child to accept their mother has needs beyond a dead husband 

[TripLight]

Threeparts wrote...

 I agree, TripLight. It's natural to lash out when you're upset and want to have someone to accuse, and no one can say a parent who just lost their child (in a horribly violent manner right in front of them) is going to be in the most rational state of mind. Hell, Hawke can do it to Aveline after Leandra dies.
She's still grieving a year later in Gamlen's hovel, but she blames herself there, not Hawke.

As for abandoning all thoughts of her husband and previous life, keep in mind that by Act II she's been a widow for seven years: Aveline moved on after less time mourning Wesley.
She's also back in a city where she grew up and has fond memories of a relatively care-free, relaxed childhood. I can't really fault her for wanting to recapture some of that after 25 years of being rejected by her family, living in hiding from her religion's soldiers, raising three kids - at least one of whom is a mage - without relying on outside help, and ending up living in a house outside of Lothering, of all places.
If surviving all of that means she gets to relax during the last years of her life in a house she loves, then I say she deserves it. 

True, given I think the only other noblewoman that I know of from the DA universe to have gone through something similiar is Rowan, and even she died rather aggrieved and hopeless, but and I might sound like a **** for saying this, she chose her fate as well. Leandra thankfully didn't go out that way, even if it was horrible in another way.

Leandra is definately one of the tough mothers that I loved to have as a PC, and even though when she lashed at me/myhawke, and I/MyHAwke wanted to lash back, I still appreciated that she wasn't the perfect mother, that she was human as well.

Modifié par TripLight, 08 mai 2011 - 07:42 .

[mellifera]

Dunizel wrote...

I'm just going to drop this here

by monkeymu 

This confounds me.

[TripLight]

highcastle wrote...

TripLight wrote...

I did want an option to give Leandra a dressing-down, but then again, she did lose a child. I have an aunt who lost her son, my cousin, at 14 years of age, I have seen what that can do to a person. It took her a long time before she could talk about him without understandably breaking down in tears. I think Theoden from the "LOTR, Two Towers" movie put it perfectly, "No parent should ever have to bury their child." They are never the same.

You know, I never disliked Leandra for what she said. Yes, it was cruel and unfair, but that's what makes us human. We're not always at our best in times of grief. Look at Hawke's potential reactions after losing his mother, after all. Blaming the mages is just another facet of that same kind of anger. Plus, Leandra realizes it and apologizes after the fact.

Exactly and I never blamed her either, I just wanted Hawke to remind her where she is and the situation they were in. She could have cursed my Hawke out and she would have taken it, I just wanted to option of being able to defend Hawke. But I do appreciate also that Hawke took it as well, not many would take kindly to such a thing, but the observant person would see this as a grieving mother trying to blame the death of her child on anything she can.

[Dunizel]

I was more upset for her comments about my "elven friends" or the elven slave (I was paying Orana, damn).

And since she was always being somewhat a racist to elves, I never managed to get any comment about Anders.

Bodan commented a lot more on Anders, and he was even worried about him.

[SurelyForth]

Never mind.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 08 mai 2011 - 08:04 .

[kromify]

Dunizel wrote...

I was more upset for her comments about my "elven friends" or the elven slave (I was paying Orana, damn).

And since she was always being somewhat a racist to elves, I never managed to get any comment about Anders.

Bodan commented a lot more on Anders, and he was even worried about him.

she will mention him in the convo about her finding a new suitor if you're in a romance

[Ryzaki]

My issue with Leandra is she's practically invisible. So All that Remains is just even more irritating because instead of going "oh noes Leandra!" I'm more like "who...oh Hawke's mom...why do I care exactly?"

And I don't think Awakening Anders would've fallen in love with Hawke. I doubt they would've ever even met.

[Nyreen]

Amondra wrote...

Batteries wrote...

I wonder who has been romanced more between Fenris and Anders? I'd imagine it's logical to say that the most romanced would probably be Isabela followed by Merrill. I think Anders probably ended up with more m/m romances than Fenris has though.

I think between the boys.  Ander started with the most, but after the ending Fenris got a massive boost.  Also I think he started strong because of his "anime" look honestly.

UGH, yes! Even though I personally disliked the anime shift in the stylization of DA:2, I didn't let it ruin my fun. I will say though, the bleach-white hair is just over-the-top. <_< And this is coming from someone who has actually enjoyed watching some anime. Anime-proportions and hair-color never translate well into realistic 3-d games, IMHO.

[ipgd]

Celestina wrote...
the anime shift in the stylization of DA:2

lolwhat

If you mean the character models, they became significantly more naturalistically accurate between DA:O and DA2 (read: DA:O's models were a dog's breakfast of bad anatomy (THAT'S AN ANIME THING THOUGH HO HO HOHOHOHO) and facial warping). Big swords isn't really an anime thing, either.

Modifié par ipgd, 08 mai 2011 - 08:33 .

[Nyreen]

ipgd wrote...

Celestina wrote...
the anime shift in the stylization of DA:2

lolwhat

If you mean the character models, they became significantly more naturalistically accurate between DA:O and DA2 (read: DA:O's models were a dog's breakfast of bad anatomy and facial warping). Big swords isn't really an anime thing, either.

Humans more naturalistic? Yes, elves and qunari NO.







Big swords…not anime...JRPG much then?

[kromify]

elves and qunari became less realistic... hoho

[TripLight]

I am kinda digging the Qunari redesign though, the elves, I don't know why, maybe because of new nose structure give me the impression of looking at a sheep or goat, I can't shake it either.