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[Threeparts]

ElleMullineux wrote...

What if was crazy red corrupted lyrium? I know my magpie/klepto Hawke definitely picked up enough of that on her travels. Or am I drawing a tenuous link?

I'm of the opinion that he did use the red lyrium in the bomb. The red glow when it explodes is the most obvious evidence, but even if he doesn't go with Hawke into the Deep Roads it wouldn't have been too difficult for a Warden to go down there by himself later on. I'm sure Hawke and Varric would have a grand time telling anyone who'd listen about the stuff.

And, of course, if he'd kept it around his clinic for a few months or years while figuring out what to do with it, his mental state could have suffered from the effects: we saw how it heightened Meredith's paranoia.

Reminds me of the conversation you could have with him in Awakening, where he suggests going into business as a lyrium smuggler, with a dashing chapeau. It's an amusing thought that he stole the maps in the first place with some vague idea of going into the Deep Roads and finding some of the stuff to sell to the templars in Kirkwall. My pet theory before the game came out was that he was going to use that stuff to corrupt the supplies they already received, and I still think that could have been a fun idea to play with. 


Ah, the thread of more innocent days.

by tarantella

Modifié par Threeparts, 12 mai 2011 - 01:15 .

[kromify]

ElleMullineux wrote...
I'm still firmly of the opinion that she set the wheels in motion.

Elthina: Fetch me that rabid anti-Qunari Zealot
Lacky: Sister Petrice?
Elthina: That's the one.
Petrice: mumblemumblehatehate
Elthina: I have a 'problem' with our Qunari visitors.
Petrice: May I borrow your stamp?
Elthina: Certainly. I'll be upstairs praying.

doesn't have the balls







unless that's what she wants us to think!? 

[YamiSnuffles]

kromify wrote...
-snip rant-

Augh, I know. When I was replaying Act 1 recently, I decided to ask her about Meredith. Elthina says something along the lines of, "Gossiping is a sin. It isn't my place to form opinions on the morality of the Knight Commander."

I was just like, "Wuuuuuh?" You're pretty much Meredith's boss, lady. You're the one who can fire her if she gets out of line. That's kind of impossible to do if you won't even form opinions on if she's doing a good job or not. <_<

Then in Act 2 after Dissent Anders is so excited to share what he found with Elthina. He seems so hopeful that the evidence against Alrik will be enough for her to finally take sides. Yeah, you'd think so Anders... you'd certainly think so. Instead she doesn't seem to care about what Alrik did and is more upset that someone killed him.

[Ninche]

kromify wrote...

*sigh*

i just finished offered and lost. i told elthina 'someone' was using her name to validate qunari hate crimes, and the grand cleric being who she is believed it would sort itself out (she knew her signature was being faked and did nothing). so of course hawke ends up murdering 50 mobbing rebels.
and without metagaming (!) a whole bunch more will be killed when the qunari attack

as burke said; the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. i'm sure it's been quoted before, but hey, nm.

edit; idiot human psychology means its easier to imagine the heartbreak caused by a few deaths rather than hundreds. i place the blame squarely on elthina for the mass murder i had to commit. (forget varnell; no one will mourn him!)  the stupid woman knew a crime had taken place and should have at least dealt with that. GRRRR!!!

*stabbity stab stab vent anger*

It's a nice saying, that  Hehe I love your outrage. The Elthina thing is still the main argument I seem to be having with people - pretty much everyone around me insist that it was her refusal to get involved that kept the peace. But I don't see the peace they're talking about, what peace?
Crimes were being committed all over the place and innocents were dying all the time, don't even get me started on mage rights. I mean, it must have been some years back that Meredith performed the rite of tranquility on a mage past their harrowing for the first time - which is against the law etc. etc, it was THEN that Elthina should have said "You have gone too far, you broke the rules, get out" but she did NOTHING. It is her inadequacy that's allowed someone like Meredith to get so much power and authority. She is the only person watching the watchmen and making sure abuses and injusties don't occur often.
She is a colossal failure and I just can't see it any other way, and I'll shut up now before I repeat myself for the 10th time.   

Here's some Anders: 

Modifié par Ninche, 12 mai 2011 - 01:19 .

[BlommekindEB]

Poor Anders...I think he did what he knew was right. Maybe it was, I mean if you get locked up for being what you are, I would also seek revenge and probably go mad at the thought...he probably meant well and at least he never leaves you in the game like Fenris, although I like Fenris more. He's more of a challenge to corrupt, and HOTTER...

[kromify]

 ^ passive-aggressive hater 




hee hee; that cat makes me happy  

Modifié par kromify, 12 mai 2011 - 01:36 .

[Ninche]

Well apprently the divine hates Elthina and wants her removed from her position but because the people of Kirkwall love her so much if she tries she's risking becoming unpopular in the Free Marches. Elthina on the otherhand is high with power and position and wants to keep it as long as possible, she is worried that if she takes sides it will give the devine the excuse/reason she needs to finally retire her. She doesn't want to step down and be forgotten, she prefers a martyr death and would like to be remembered as the "peace keeper". It was Elthina who helped Meredith get the position of Knight Commander and therefore Meredith listens and (seemingly) respects her. Elthina doesn't want to loose her ace by disagreeing with her methods. This is all my personal specualtions that cannot be proved or disproved by anything in the game, it's my personal canon.
And yes, she would never ever side with the mages, and she seems to have no sympathy for elves or refugees.

"Even a mage can do the will of the maker" Ugh -.-

[JesterPsychotica]

ElleMullineux wrote...

kromify wrote...

*sigh*

i just finished offered and lost. i told elthina 'someone' was using her name to validate qunari hate crimes, and the grand cleric being who she is believed it would sort itself out (she knew her signature was being faked and did nothing). so of course hawke ends up murdering 50 mobbing rebels.
and without metagaming (!) a whole bunch more will be killed when the qunari attack

as burke said; the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. i'm sure it's been quoted before, but hey, nm.

edit; idiot human psychology means its easier to imagine the heartbreak caused by a few deaths rather than hundreds. i place the blame squarely on elthina for the mass murder i had to commit. (forget varnell; no one will mourn him!)  the stupid woman knew a crime had taken place and should have at least dealt with that. GRRRR!!!

*stabbity stab stab vent anger*

I'm still firmly of the opinion that she set the wheels in motion.

Elthina: Fetch me that rabid anti-Qunari Zealot
Lacky: Sister Petrice?
Elthina: That's the one.
Petrice: mumblemumblehatehate
Elthina: I have a 'problem' with our Qunari visitors.
Petrice: May I borrow your stamp?
Elthina: Certainly. I'll be upstairs praying.

Poor Saemus.  Petrice's sacrificial lamb for her cause.

[purplecookie]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

It's been mentioned before, but I still wonder if Sandal had any part in helping Anders make the bomb. I don't think he helped directly, but Bodahn does mention that Anders is very interested in his enchantments. Considering the size and seemingly magical quality of the blast (it didn't look like just a gunpowder explosion), I wouldn't be surprised if Anders found a way to add a bit of Sandal's "boom" into the mix.

This was a couple hours ago (fast moving thread still, yay!) but I do think that Anders would have used Sandal's abilities or at the very least knowledge to help him create the bomb. It was a bit of dialogue from Bodahn where he says something like "Master Anders said he found it most intriguing, used those very words", not that specifically but definitely along those lines. That to me seemed like a hint from Bioware that Anders was plotting something and found Sandal's abilities useful enough to consider how to implement them into his plans for the chantry.

Just my interpretation though

[Sialater]

purplecookie wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...

It's been mentioned before, but I still wonder if Sandal had any part in helping Anders make the bomb. I don't think he helped directly, but Bodahn does mention that Anders is very interested in his enchantments. Considering the size and seemingly magical quality of the blast (it didn't look like just a gunpowder explosion), I wouldn't be surprised if Anders found a way to add a bit of Sandal's "boom" into the mix.

This was a couple hours ago (fast moving thread still, yay!) but I do think that Anders would have used Sandal's abilities or at the very least knowledge to help him create the bomb. It was a bit of dialogue from Bodahn where he says something like "Master Anders said he found it most intriguing, used those very words", not that specifically but definitely along those lines. That to me seemed like a hint from Bioware that Anders was plotting something and found Sandal's abilities useful enough to consider how to implement them into his plans for the chantry.

Just my interpretation though

Or he asked for a specific enchantment that Sandal was kind enough to just give him.

And don't get me started on Petrice and Elthina.

[DeaHamlet]

mandamcmoo wrote...

I just found this on Lady Cousland's tumblr. Not sure where it came from but I love it!

http://lady-cousland...0g6xF4kH1qcnw90

I love this!!!!  It's so much awesomeness!
I have to agree with Merrill though... Anders does look more masculine

[LT123]

Threeparts wrote...

I'm of the opinion that he did use the red lyrium in the bomb. The red glow when it explodes is the most obvious evidence, but even if he doesn't go with Hawke into the Deep Roads it wouldn't have been too difficult for a Warden to go down there by himself later on. I'm sure Hawke and Varric would have a grand time telling anyone who'd listen about the stuff.

And, of course, if he'd kept it around his clinic for a few months or years while figuring out what to do with it, his mental state could have suffered from the effects: we saw how it heightened Meredith's paranoia.

Reminds me of the conversation you could have with him in Awakening, where he suggests going into business as a lyrium smuggler, with a dashing chapeau. It's an amusing thought that he stole the maps in the first place with some vague idea of going into the Deep Roads and finding some of the stuff to sell to the templars in Kirkwall. My pet theory before the game came out was that he was going to use that stuff to corrupt the supplies they already received, and I still think that could have been a fun idea to play with. 


Ah, the thread of more innocent days.
by tarantella

How did you get that conversation?  

[SurelyForth]

LT123 wrote...

Threeparts wrote...

I'm of the opinion that he did use the red lyrium in the bomb. The red glow when it explodes is the most obvious evidence, but even if he doesn't go with Hawke into the Deep Roads it wouldn't have been too difficult for a Warden to go down there by himself later on. I'm sure Hawke and Varric would have a grand time telling anyone who'd listen about the stuff.

And, of course, if he'd kept it around his clinic for a few months or years while figuring out what to do with it, his mental state could have suffered from the effects: we saw how it heightened Meredith's paranoia.

Reminds me of the conversation you could have with him in Awakening, where he suggests going into business as a lyrium smuggler, with a dashing chapeau. It's an amusing thought that he stole the maps in the first place with some vague idea of going into the Deep Roads and finding some of the stuff to sell to the templars in Kirkwall. My pet theory before the game came out was that he was going to use that stuff to corrupt the supplies they already received, and I still think that could have been a fun idea to play with. 


Ah, the thread of more innocent days.
by tarantella

How did you get that conversation?  

In Kal'hirol, at the lyrium bucket. It's one of his convo trigger points. It's also my favorite of his, since there's the dashing chapeau, the assertion that he doesn't **** about the Circle "when I eat...or during sex. I'm not a monster!" AND he reveals his plans to take up knitting should he survive the current campaign. Granted, you have to run it through a few times to get all the dialogue, but it's worth it.

*still misses Awakening Anders*

Modifié par SurelyForth, 12 mai 2011 - 02:25 .

[LT123]

Heh, I remembered the part about the knitting but somehow missed the part about the dashing chapeau. I wonder if I have a save near there.

I miss Awakening Anders too. He was kind of like a bizarre combination of Alistair and Zevran in mage form.

Edit: I did. That's hilarious. And his response to the "We become forgotten and die young" line was great too. 

Modifié par LT123, 12 mai 2011 - 02:29 .

[DeaHamlet]

On Elthina... I think she only gives Petrice over because she killed the Viscount's son, not because she cares one bit about dead Qunari. Ugh.

[JesterPsychotica]

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*still misses Awakening Anders*
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UNH

I love that fricking robe. Ander's moobies.

Edit: *Hooks a leash onto that ring there* Ooh. I'm good now.

Modifié par JesterPsychotica, 12 mai 2011 - 02:36 .

[Threeparts]

LT123 wrote...

Heh, I remembered the part about the knitting but somehow missed the part about the dashing chapeau. I wonder if I have a save near there.

I miss Awakening Anders too. He was kind of like a bizarre combination of Alistair and Zevran in mage form.

I believe my comment to my fiance upon meeting Anders for the first time was, "He's like Alistair, all grown up!"
I take it back now, really. All they really have in common is humour, and Alistair's always seemed more self-deprecating, allowing himself to be the butt of his and others' jokes, with a bit of non-sequitur humour thrown in. Anders in Awakening was more likely to make jokes about other people and situations, and he could be somewhat darker and more adult in the things he says.
I found I had far more trouble coaxing Anders into a serious conversation, whereas Alistair wanted to have serious conversations, even if he capped it off with a silly comment at the end. It was an interesting contrast, and I know which I ended up preferring.

[Ninche]

ElleMullineux wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

*still misses Awakening Anders*

Ahh... is it just me... or do those robes make it look like he's bare chested... with a hint of hairy nipple...

Haha nope, I find I can't look anywhere else in this picture - I blame the new robes design - we're starved for some hairy nipples or a hairy navel, or some butt or a bloody toe or something. 

[DeaHamlet]

I got these rogue/warrior outfits in a mod for Origins... that pretty much result in my walking around with bare chested Alistair and Zevran. I hope I can use them when I start Awakening because Anders bare chested... o.O must see.

Too bad in DA2 the modders can only give Anders the default male bod which so does not seem to fit how skinny Anders is in DA2. I'd love to see Anders shirtless. DA2 is at times too tame in the imagery

[YamiSnuffles]

With all this talk of dashing chapeaus...