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[mellifera]

Hairless animals are boss. I had a hairless rat once, her name was Rapunzel. The best thing about them is that they're extra warm since they have no fur, Rapunzel was a great handwarmer on cold winter days :'3

[mellifera]

You gave up a cat over a dog? Blasphemy.

[Elriendel]

Found this and decided to share (sorry if somebody posted already):







By Savvid



By Runaired (both @ deviantart)

[Amondra]

 

That makes my heart beat like a hammer.

Modifié par Amondra, 13 mai 2011 - 07:40 .

[Elriendel]

Amondra wrote...

 

That makes my heart beat like a hammer.

He looks so hot on this one! <3

I also loved it that Varric and his hairy chest were not forgotten on the following pic!

Modifié par Elriendel, 13 mai 2011 - 07:48 .

[Jean]

blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2011/05/09/terrorism-and-dragon-age-ii/

[Amondra]

Batteries wrote...

blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2011/05/09/terrorism-and-dragon-age-ii/

I agree with someone a ways down on the comments list, bringing real life things into a game is silly.  However this person does make a valid point.  It also helps mine, no revolution was won without deaths, no greater good was acheived with out innocents blood.  Change start when you crack the foundations. 

I saw him as a freedom fighter, and I was happy to see that I was starting a revolution and not just saving the world.  It was a nice change.

[Amondra]

ElleMullineux wrote...

Batteries wrote...

blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2011/05/09/terrorism-and-dragon-age-ii/

Nice piece.

Although I think the confines of the game meant that you didn't get to see the more peaceful attempts at dealing with the problems. They are alluded to, but if your PC is pro-templar seeing Anders/ nobels/ etc trying to defuse the situation in the early acts would have possibly swayed you too much. Just like Anders 'paranoia' is only eluded to - it's never made clear whether he is actually being plagued by Templars or whether he's hyper vigilant.
To me it's left open to allow your PC choices space.

As for the aftermath, I thought the running through the Docks/Lowtown covered that part... maybe that's just me. Did he want to see people screaming in the streets clutching dead bodies?

Edit None shall resist!!!!

Aww he/she is a cutie  All my dogs are massive, except Sir Author Doyle as he is a English Bull dog.

Modifié par Amondra, 13 mai 2011 - 08:34 .

[Loain]

Amondra wrote...

Batteries wrote...

blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2011/05/09/terrorism-and-dragon-age-ii/

I agree with someone a ways down on the comments list, bringing real life things into a game is silly.  However this person does make a valid point.  It also helps mine, no revolution was won without deaths, no greater good was acheived with out innocents blood.  Change start when you crack the foundations. 

I saw him as a freedom fighter, and I was happy to see that I was starting a revolution and not just saving the world.  It was a nice change.

Silly? I don't disagree outright but bringing up these types of issues and thinking about them isn't. To me (most) games are just another form of art. I love good art because it has the ability to stir my mind to consider things I've seen hundreds of times in a whole new way. Being inspired by a game to think and consider real life things is precisely what I look for in art.
What I find odd is how often terrorism and Anders are brought up but how seldom madness and Anders are.

Modifié par Loain, 13 mai 2011 - 08:42 .

[Amondra]

Loain wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Batteries wrote...

blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2011/05/09/terrorism-and-dragon-age-ii/

I agree with someone a ways down on the comments list, bringing real life things into a game is silly.  However this person does make a valid point.  It also helps mine, no revolution was won without deaths, no greater good was acheived with out innocents blood.  Change start when you crack the foundations. 

I saw him as a freedom fighter, and I was happy to see that I was starting a revolution and not just saving the world.  It was a nice change.

Silly? I don't disagree outright but bringing up these types of issues and thinking about them isn't. To me (most) games are just another form of art. I love good art because it has the ability to stir my mind to consider things I've seen hundreds of times in a whole new way. Being inspired by a game to think and consider real life things is precisely what I look for in art.
What I find odd is how often terrorism and Anders are brought up but how seldom madness and Anders are.

Thinking about them isn't silly, but when people put shutters over their eyes, and act like he blew up a Grand Cathedril(?) in real life it becomes silly.  

People do tend to over look Anders was a broken and desprate man, who from what I could tell up till the last wanted to do something other then what he did, but the Grand Cleric still wanted to sit on her tush so he acted.  Despration will drive a man to do a great many things.  People don't agree with that because they haven't been there.

[darkgriever26]

Amondra wrote...

Batteries wrote...

blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2011/05/09/terrorism-and-dragon-age-ii/

I agree with someone a ways down on the comments list, bringing real life things into a game is silly.  However this person does make a valid point.  It also helps mine, no revolution was won without deaths, no greater good was acheived with out innocents blood.  Change start when you crack the foundations. 

I saw him as a freedom fighter, and I was happy to see that I was starting a revolution and not just saving the world.  It was a nice change.

Well as far as I'm concerned this is just a game. Though I also agree on some parts of it and I even think the developers made the story to reflect what is currently happening in the world. But yes well in my own point of view, as Hawke, I certainly think Anders is not a terrorist. He has his reasons. It's just that I don't like his plans which is why I somehow like him being a rival than friend. But nevertheless, my Hawke, or more like myself really, condoned him because despite him causing all the chaos he can still manage to change the world without being dead. [Now that's better than dying] And besides, if he lives then Anders gets to see the change he, and Justice, wanted. Plus he can now finally have a cute tabby cat living with him in peace haha! 

That's my own point of view though

Edit: oppss...I hit the submit button so soon haha!

Modifié par darkgriever26, 13 mai 2011 - 09:31 .

[Amondra]

darkgriever26 wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Batteries wrote...

blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2011/05/09/terrorism-and-dragon-age-ii/

I agree with someone a ways down on the comments list, bringing real life things into a game is silly.  However this person does make a valid point.  It also helps mine, no revolution was won without deaths, no greater good was acheived with out innocents blood.  Change start when you crack the foundations. 

I saw him as a freedom fighter, and I was happy to see that I was starting a revolution and not just saving the world.  It was a nice change.

Well as far as I'm concerned this is just a game. Though I also agree on some parts of it and I even think the developers made the story to reflect what is currently happening in the world. But yes well in my own point of view, as Hawke, I certainly think Anders is not a terrorist. He has his reasons. It's just that I don't like his plans which is why I somehow like him being a rival than friend. But nevertheless, my Hawke, or more like myself really, condoned him because despite cause all the chaos he can still manage to change the world without being dead.

That's my own point of view though

The bold is also why this conversation I think gets under my skin.  People forget that right there, and if you are okay with Anders actions one way or another, they start saying you would do such things in real life.  People forget it is a game and I just find it sad is all.  Maybe I feel so strongly because I always defending my oma and mutter from people who pass judgment before fully looking at the picture.

Sorry I don't mean the one we are having at the moment, but what I normally find myself in.  Sorry for not clarifying that.

Modifié par Amondra, 13 mai 2011 - 09:30 .

[Loain]

Amondra wrote...
<snip>
Thinking about them isn't silly, but when people put shutters over their eyes, and act like he blew up a Grand Cathedril(?) in real life it becomes silly.  

People do tend to over look Anders was a broken and desprate man, who from what I could tell up till the last wanted to do something other then what he did, but the Grand Cleric still wanted to sit on her tush so he acted.  Despration will drive a man to do a great many things.  People don't agree with that because they haven't been there.

I tend to view those types as hypocrites. They're very anger at Anders (understandably so) and instead of seeing the situation as a whole they label him 'terrorist' and start using real life examples to shut down all discussion. "If you support Anders you're supporting terror" I find this ironic because it's precisely this kind of blind one track thinking that consumes Anders and leads him to do what he did.

My first play through I didn't see a broken man, I saw no man at all. I felt as if this was the first time I was truly looking into the face of an Abomination.

Modifié par Loain, 13 mai 2011 - 09:41 .

[darkgriever26]

Amondra wrote...

darkgriever26 wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Batteries wrote...

blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2011/05/09/terrorism-and-dragon-age-ii/

I agree with someone a ways down on the comments list, bringing real life things into a game is silly.  However this person does make a valid point.  It also helps mine, no revolution was won without deaths, no greater good was acheived with out innocents blood.  Change start when you crack the foundations. 

I saw him as a freedom fighter, and I was happy to see that I was starting a revolution and not just saving the world.  It was a nice change.

Well as far as I'm concerned this is just a game. Though I also agree on some parts of it and I even think the developers made the story to reflect what is currently happening in the world. But yes well in my own point of view, as Hawke, I certainly think Anders is not a terrorist. He has his reasons. It's just that I don't like his plans which is why I somehow like him being a rival than friend. But nevertheless, my Hawke, or more like myself really, condoned him because despite cause all the chaos he can still manage to change the world without being dead.

That's my own point of view though

The bold is also why this conversation I think gets under my skin.  People forget that right there, and if you are okay with Anders actions one way or another, they start saying you would do such things in real life.  People forget it is a game and I just find it sad is all.  Maybe I feel so strongly because I always defending my oma and mutter from people who pass judgment before fully looking at the picture.

Sorry I don't mean the one we are having at the moment, but what I normally find myself in.  Sorry for not clarifying that.

That's all right But I do agree with you. I also hate it when people compare game story in real life situations. I mean come on! It is just a GAME. The developers just reflected what is currently happening in the world. And that doesn't mean they want us, players, to do the same as what Anders did in real life. But enough of those people who compare this game to real life. They are just too...damn I can't utter the proper term but let's just say too narrow minded.

Well anyway Anders may be a bad guy for many people but for me he isn't.

[darkgriever26]

Loain wrote...

Amondra wrote...
<snip>
Thinking about them isn't silly, but when people put shutters over their eyes, and act like he blew up a Grand Cathedril(?) in real life it becomes silly.  

People do tend to over look Anders was a broken and desprate man, who from what I could tell up till the last wanted to do something other then what he did, but the Grand Cleric still wanted to sit on her tush so he acted.  Despration will drive a man to do a great many things.  People don't agree with that because they haven't been there.

I tend to view those types as hypocrites. They're very anger at Anders (understandably so) and instead of seeing the situation as a whole they label him 'terrorist' and start using real life examples to shut down all discussion. "If you support Anders you're supporting terror" I find this ironic because it's precisely this kind of blind one track thinking that consumes Anders and leads him to do what he did.

My first play through I didn't see a broken man, I saw no man at all. I felt as if this was the first time I was truly looking into the face of an Abomination.

Oh I remember my first playthrough. I was shaking all over because I suppoerted Anders all the way [he is a friend] and I didn't understand at first that Justice would become a demon because of the desire of Anders to be free of the Circle and the Templars. I feel the same way too. I felt at that time he really is an Abomination now.

Well after that first playthrough I tried to make Anders my rival now. And I say it was more of helping him NOT to be fully consumed by Justice, or more like Vengeance now. And now I'm just waiting for the new patch so that I can side with the Templars and still spare Anders to get that ending kiss. I got so disappointed when I didn't see any kiss from him if he is friend-manced [unlike the others whom you get to see the ending kiss].

Edit: I'm sorry for the double post. I just saw it after hitting submit 

Modifié par darkgriever26, 13 mai 2011 - 10:01 .

[kromify]

it was brought up a couple of pages ago, but i still cannot understand why he is considered a traitor. he lied, which is lousy, but it's not like he turned on hawke... and actually i think it's something of a betrayal to him if you side with the templars. anders is supposedly hawkes friend, so she/he should support him. on that point i have another relevant quote; "If I had to choose between betraying my country and betraying my friend, I hope I should have the guts to betray my country. " (edward forster)

[Loain]

@darkgriever26
I too am anxiously awaiting that patch. Not for the snogging but I suppose I'll romance Anders eventually. (That's right I'm totally and completely obsessed with Anders. He consumes my every waking thought. Has been my desktop image since I beat the game. I goggle his name daily hopping for ANY new information. I'm more obsessed with him then anything I can recall, not that I can recall anything beyond Anders. All this but I've only watched 'sexy time' via you tube.)

@kromify
My main Warden would have thrown every last Ferelden under a bus if it meant Alistair was safe. He would have invented a bus just so he could do it too. That's how dedicated (read fanatical) he was/is.

[Heidenreich]

Ashwraith wrote...

TripLight wrote...
What I loved is he totally emotionless platitude when you click him and he tells you"I cannot imagine what it must be like to lose your family. Anything I could say would be insufficient. I'm sorry." Johnny 5 had more emotion in a single view lens, and he was a freaking robot.<_<
SHOW ME EMOTION DAMMIT!

In his defense, I do sympathize with Fenris. It's very hard to gauge the correct emotional response when faced with a situation you have no experience with.

I remember when my best friend experienced a very bad breakup, and came to me for a shoulder to cry on. I felt terrible, not just because it was clearly tearing her up inside, but because anything I tried to say came out sounding horribly wooden and unsympathetic.
In real life, I'm borderline asexual and completely a-romantic. I've never been on a date. I've never been in love. I've never lost anyone close to me. I had no experience to draw upon. Here was someone I cared about very much, who was trying not to break apart, and I didn't know what to do to make it better. It's an awful feeling.

Now, that said, I was hoping for something more than what Fenris gave me. Hell, just a hug would have been nice.
...Why are there so few 'hug' animations in this game, anyway? It is an injustice!

I love you for explaining that<3... even if it was... 5? pages back? ;p

Anders is very "I LOVE YOU I HATE ME I HATE YOU I LOVE YOU LOVE ME LETS MOVE IN" and Fenris is very "..." for most of the game. In the end though fenris gets VERY lovey, it just takes him 7 years to figure out how .


Uh.. Anders thread...


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by Azunaii

Modifié par Heidenreich, 13 mai 2011 - 10:29 .

[Loain]

Heidenreich wrote...
<snip>
I love you for explaining that<3... even if it was... 5? pages back? ;p

Anders is very "I LOVE YOU I HATE ME I HATE YOU I LOVE YOU LOVE ME LETS MOVE IN" and Fenris is very "..." for most of the game. In the end though fenris gets VERY lovey, it just takes him 7 years to figure out how .
<yummy snip>

Fenris is like fine wine (pun intentional) he gets good it just takes a few years that's all.

[AndreaDraco]

Amondra wrote...

 

This is indeed one of Anders' sexiest images around!

[purplecookie]

Amondra wrote...

darkgriever26 wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Batteries wrote...

blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2011/05/09/terrorism-and-dragon-age-ii/

I agree with someone a ways down on the comments list, bringing real life things into a game is silly.  However this person does make a valid point.  It also helps mine, no revolution was won without deaths, no greater good was acheived with out innocents blood.  Change start when you crack the foundations. 

I saw him as a freedom fighter, and I was happy to see that I was starting a revolution and not just saving the world.  It was a nice change.

Well as far as I'm concerned this is just a game. Though I also agree on some parts of it and I even think the developers made the story to reflect what is currently happening in the world. But yes well in my own point of view, as Hawke, I certainly think Anders is not a terrorist. He has his reasons. It's just that I don't like his plans which is why I somehow like him being a rival than friend. But nevertheless, my Hawke, or more like myself really, condoned him because despite cause all the chaos he can still manage to change the world without being dead.

That's my own point of view though

The bold is also why this conversation I think gets under my skin.  People forget that right there, and if you are okay with Anders actions one way or another, they start saying you would do such things in real life.  People forget it is a game and I just find it sad is all.  Maybe I feel so strongly because I always defending my oma and mutter from people who pass judgment before fully looking at the picture.

Sorry I don't mean the one we are having at the moment, but what I normally find myself in.  Sorry for not clarifying that.

Just jumping in here but this is one of the many reasons I love this game in that it makes the player reflect on real things. I disagree also that it's silly to think about real world issues when reflecting on situations that have occurred in a game, I think it's a great way to gauge feelings on events that are unfolding as you're playing through the story and the fact that there are real-world parallels is what, in my mind, helps to make the plot more immersive and the characters' actions understandable and relatable. Where it becomes silly (for me) is where the boundaries between real-life events blur into those presented in the game and what I mean by that is actions you endorse in a game represent your actions in real life (so basically totally agreeing with what you've said Amondra). Anders blows up the chantry in the game and you don't kill him and/or you agree that such an action was needed means that in real life you support terrorists and their destructive actions. That to me seems akin to saying Hawke running around Kirkwall stabbing people in the streets at night means you find murder perfectly acceptable and harbour desires to carry out such in reality. In the context of the game, stabbing or shooting lightning at fools is necessary, just as it might be perceived in the context of the game that the chantry being blown up was a necessary eradication of the mage/templar stalemate.

Just wanted to add my two cents is all I shall go back to staring at the Anders art now (so hypnotising)

[Ninche]

Batteries wrote...

blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2011/05/09/terrorism-and-dragon-age-ii/

I hope it's not too late to discuss this! 

First of all, is it just me, but the article seems a it too simple? Maybe it's just months of dissecting the game's everything that make it seem so, but you can't just throw a big shocking real life event parallel with the game and then not elaborate in depth. Anyway, I disapprove of any direct real-life associations with the game and its characters -it's oversimplifying things, it's drawing parallels that can't be drawn because as brilliant and exuberant as dragon age 2 is, it's still very much simple compared to the complexity of real life politics. Also, using rl examples goes both ways and leads to endless discussions, and nobody is ever right in the end because, hey, truth depends on points of view .

I think people are still very much trying to simplify things and bring them down to RIGHT and WRONG - and they seem to be trying VERY hard. I think they're missing the point - as in real life right and wrong depends on where you stand and who you support - that's where DA2's extraordinary brilliance lies as well. 

And as for seeing the results of the chantry jenga as in bodies and blood and rubble, I think that's the LEAST of what could be improved about the whole scene, and is in the end of the day - irrelevant. Just as exactly HOW MANY priestesses and innocents were in the chantry is irrelevant, and exactly how many mages turn into abominations after is irrelevant and so on and so on. I think complaining about the details or trying to justify things through them, or trying to sway meaning one way or the other through pointless details is, again, trying to oversimplify things or justify your decision to yourself. 

As glad as I am that people find Anders and his actions justified and would support him, I also think comparing him to real life persons and events does him a great disservice. It is a game, in the end, it's ok to love and support the terrorist. 

Pfft sorry for the boring walls of text, I guess I'm still way too involved 

Edit: @Purplecookie: Ohh you basically said what I wanted to explain, but better than I could 

Modifié par Ninche, 13 mai 2011 - 12:01 .