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[DoNotIngest]

Anders on his magical poo hunting quest in the Sewers, if Hawke & Merrill are in a relationship:


Anders: You know she'll turn on you for that demon, first chance she gets. Now twist that into a fuse - I mean, flammable bracelet.
Hawke: Seriously, who are you to give relationship advice? You last boyfriend went tranquil and then you shanked him and got all sulky.
Anders: I mean it Hawke, she gets so much as a paper cut and its over. Could you find it in your heart to love an abomination?
Hawke: Uhh... get your hand off my thigh.
Anders Rivalry +10


Thank you so much, Es- I mean, anonymous poster, for this work of art.

Modifié par DoNotIngest, 14 mai 2011 - 05:30 .

[Amondra]

ElleMullineux wrote...

Just finished DA:A for the first time and now I get why the timeline is so messed up. According to the epilogue "rumours" Anders was at the Vigil for years. I'm gonna guess that my Warden covered up for him when he did a bunk and let him slip away.

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This is just too cute!!!!
http://criz.deviantart.com/

Yeah sadly they reconed a bunch from the first game, like the mage circle being free, they wanted to take it out, but it was to late, so they just decided it never happened in two, as there is no flag for it.  And yeah Anders stayed from many years in my canon play through.  I have to admit I was a little upset.  But I took it as, Elise went back home to Fereldan and the new person in charge was a ******, so Anders jumped ship(not to mention that annoying and mean Templar!)

I also find it odd that Nate seemed happy to see Anders in my playthrough with canon Hawke.  I wonder if the don't know or just don't care, because, well it is Anders and they love both him and Justice.

[blauwvis]

Amondra wrote...
Yeah sadly they reconed a bunch from the first game, like the mage circle being free, they wanted to take it out, but it was to late, so they just decided it never happened in two, as there is no flag for it.  ... <snip>

I also find it odd that Nate seemed happy to see Anders in my playthrough with canon Hawke.  I wonder if the don't know or just don't care, because, well it is Anders and they love both him and Justice.

Has it been expressly stated anywhere that they wanted to remove the mage circle boon?  I'd heard it was bugged from the start, though I've never tried it out; my Cousland would never have asked for it and my Amell was more interested in personal glory. 

I know King Alistair mentions tensions between himself and the Ferelden Chantry regarding mages, and it makes sense to me that, in the case of that particular boon, the King/Queen has simply made a promise that they later discover they can't keep.

Sorry, I just get a bit twitchy when people call "retcon" on events that seem more accurately described as "something that conflicts with what a player assumed or anticipated" -  the whole "controversy" about Anders' sexuality being a case in point.  Gaider and co. are pretty cagey about never revealing all available information; that players draw conclusions that are sometimes later shown incorrect isn't a sign that the writers are at fault.

As far as Nate goes, in my head canon he wasn't working with the Vigil's Keep Wardens at the time of Anders' Big Break, having been sent off.. uh.. someplace else.  And then none of the Wardens in that particular enclave, especially the jerk Commander who'd set it all in motion, really wanted to publicize what had happened, due to the embarassment and potential political fallout.

[Miri1984]

Gaider said something along the lines that King Alistair *asked* for the boon, but the Chantry basically said "NO."

It came down to whose control the circles were under. The circles in Ferelden were under Chantry control, not Alistair's, so the mage boon was something not within his power to grant.

[Amondra]

blauwvis wrote...

Amondra wrote...
Yeah sadly they reconed a bunch from the first game, like the mage circle being free, they wanted to take it out, but it was to late, so they just decided it never happened in two, as there is no flag for it.  ... <snip>

I also find it odd that Nate seemed happy to see Anders in my playthrough with canon Hawke.  I wonder if the don't know or just don't care, because, well it is Anders and they love both him and Justice.

Has it been expressly stated anywhere that they wanted to remove the mage circle boon?  I'd heard it was bugged from the start, though I've never tried it out; my Cousland would never have asked for it and my Amell was more interested in personal glory. 

I know King Alistair mentions tensions between himself and the Ferelden Chantry regarding mages, and it makes sense to me that, in the case of that particular boon, the King/Queen has simply made a promise that they later discover they can't keep.

Sorry, I just get a bit twitchy when people call "retcon" on events that seem more accurately described as "something that conflicts with what a player assumed or anticipated" -  the whole "controversy" about Anders' sexuality being a case in point.  Gaider and co. are pretty cagey about never revealing all available information; that players draw conclusions that are sometimes later shown incorrect isn't a sign that the writers are at fault.

As far as Nate goes, in my head canon he wasn't working with the Vigil's Keep Wardens at the time of Anders' Big Break, having been sent off.. uh.. someplace else.  And then none of the Wardens in that particular enclave, especially the jerk Commander who'd set it all in motion, really wanted to publicize what had happened, due to the embarassment and potential political fallout.

It was stated I can't remember the post word for word.  But they realized it was going to conflict with their plans for two, but with the game already out there was nothing for them to do.  Which makes sense, because if the Fereldan circle was free, Anders could have used that as an example and might not have gone to the lengths he did. 

You can only get that boon by being a mage.  So don't worry I am not just talking out my rear.  Anders being bi thing is so stupid.  That man screamed switch hitter at me in Awakenings.

[Amondra]

Miri1984 wrote...

Gaider said something along the lines that King Alistair *asked* for the boon, but the Chantry basically said "NO."

It came down to whose control the circles were under. The circles in Ferelden were under Chantry control, not Alistair's, so the mage boon was something not within his power to grant.

Because the Chantry is the old Catholic church and can override the throne.  Rylok even hinted at such with Anders.

Oh oh! I say this and I thought of you and your "hater" gif

[mesmerizedish]

Amondra wrote...

Because the Chantry is the old Catholic church and can override the throne.  Rylok even hinted at such with Anders.

But the Chantry can't override the Right of Conscription. The Grey Wardens' authority supersedes absolutely everything. Duncan could have conscripted Andraste herself if he had wanted to.

Which is why every Templar that my Warden killed for Anders was completely and totally in the wrong.

[mellifera]

Well, there was mention of it in DA2? I dunno if this was glitched or something, as the only mage I have (the one I imported) let the Circle be annulled. What did Alistair ask Meredith, though?

[Amondra]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Because the Chantry is the old Catholic church and can override the throne.  Rylok even hinted at such with Anders.

But the Chantry can't override the Right of Conscription. The Grey Wardens' authority supersedes absolutely everything. Duncan could have conscripted Andraste herself if he had wanted to.

Which is why every Templar that my Warden killed for Anders was completely and totally in the wrong.

You didn't really concrpit him, I think you say you want to make him a Warden and right when Rylock is going to fight it Alistair(at least it was Alistair for me) steps in and tell her to fly a kite.

Yes the Wardens can override them, but that doesn't mean it doesn't ruffle feathers.  I don't think Anders was paranoid when he thought the Chantry sent a Templar to Join the Wardens to watch him and the other mages, and if you ask me Justice too.

The Chantry has many long reaching fingers wether we like it or not, or even if we can see them

[Amondra]

yukidama wrote...

Well, there was mention of it in DA2? I dunno if this was glitched or something, as the only mage I have (the one I imported) let the Circle be annulled. What did Alistair ask Meredith, though?

 

Both my mages picked that boon and I never got that dialogue! >_< I am so pissed right now I am smoking

[dpMeggers]

Amondra wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Because the Chantry is the old Catholic church and can override the throne.  Rylok even hinted at such with Anders.

But the Chantry can't override the Right of Conscription. The Grey Wardens' authority supersedes absolutely everything. Duncan could have conscripted Andraste herself if he had wanted to.

Which is why every Templar that my Warden killed for Anders was completely and totally in the wrong.

You didn't really concrpit him, I think you say you want to make him a Warden and right when Rylock is going to fight it Alistair(at least it was Alistair for me) steps in and tell her to fly a kite.

Yes the Wardens can override them, but that doesn't mean it doesn't ruffle feathers.  I don't think Anders was paranoid when he thought the Chantry sent a Templar to Join the Wardens to watch him and the other mages, and if you ask me Justice too.

The Chantry has many long reaching fingers wether we like it or not, or even if we can see them

I think the exact line is something along the lines of  "I wish to invoke the Right of Conscription." Which is why I was confused about Rylock being all "We're taking him now" because he had been conscripted into the Wardens, thus was untouchable for any previous crimes.

When she said "The Chantry supercedes the Crown in this matter." I know I was just kinda like "And the Right of Conscription supercedes both. Now go away." Unfortunately that wasn't an option.

[Amondra]

dpMeggers wrote...

Amondra wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Because the Chantry is the old Catholic church and can override the throne.  Rylok even hinted at such with Anders.

But the Chantry can't override the Right of Conscription. The Grey Wardens' authority supersedes absolutely everything. Duncan could have conscripted Andraste herself if he had wanted to.

Which is why every Templar that my Warden killed for Anders was completely and totally in the wrong.

You didn't really concrpit him, I think you say you want to make him a Warden and right when Rylock is going to fight it Alistair(at least it was Alistair for me) steps in and tell her to fly a kite.

Yes the Wardens can override them, but that doesn't mean it doesn't ruffle feathers.  I don't think Anders was paranoid when he thought the Chantry sent a Templar to Join the Wardens to watch him and the other mages, and if you ask me Justice too.

The Chantry has many long reaching fingers wether we like it or not, or even if we can see them

I think the exact line is something along the lines of  "I wish to invoke the Right of Conscription." Which is why I was confused about Rylock being all "We're taking him now" because he had been conscripted into the Wardens, thus was untouchable for any previous crimes.

When she said "The Chantry supercedes the Crown in this matter." I know I was just kinda like "And the Right of Conscription supercedes both. Now go away." Unfortunately that wasn't an option.

Do you?  It's been awhile since I played.  I just know the Chantry can override the crown, when I hear that I chuckled and thought "Ahh the old Cathloic church, corruptio, Templars and all"

[berelinde]

Amondra wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Well, there was mention of it in DA2? I dunno if this was glitched or something, as the only mage I have (the one I imported) let the Circle be annulled. What did Alistair ask Meredith, though?

 

Both my mages picked that boon and I never got that dialogue! >_< I am so pissed right now I am smoking

Don't smoke. It's bad for your health.

I didn't get that when I imported a mage who asked for that boon, but I did get it when I imported a generated save made with Gibbed's Dragon Age Save Game Generator.

Edit: And the Right of Conscription really does supercede the Chantry. Or at least it did with Alistair. And in the Anders short story, the templar Anders killed joined the Wardens specifically to be a jailor for Anders.

Modifié par berelinde, 14 mai 2011 - 07:31 .

[dpMeggers]

Amondra wrote...

dpMeggers wrote...
I think the exact line is something along the lines of  "I wish to invoke the Right of Conscription." Which is why I was confused about Rylock being all "We're taking him now" because he had been conscripted into the Wardens, thus was untouchable for any previous crimes.

When she said "The Chantry supercedes the Crown in this matter." I know I was just kinda like "And the Right of Conscription supercedes both. Now go away." Unfortunately that wasn't an option.

Do you?  It's been awhile since I played.  I just know the Chantry can override the crown, when I hear that I chuckled and thought "Ahh the old Cathloic church, corruptio, Templars and all"

Ha! Spoken like a Lutheran. (I don't mean to be rude by that, just sort of teasing, the old Catholic Church was horrifically corrupt). And yes, I was raised Catholic, which means I get to hear all kinds of wonderful stories. Because really, the old Church had some FANTASTIC stories of corruption and hypocricy - my favourite being the Banquet of Chestnuts under Pope Alexander VI with his son Cesare (who was made a Cardinal at like 21 years old or so). They threw a massive party, invited a whole bunch of prostitutes, auctionned off the prostitutes' clothes, and then everyone crawled around on the floor chasing chestnuts before having an orgy. Great story, massive amounts of corruption.

I don't see that kind of corruption coming from the Chantry. Pity. The Divine might have been in a better mood if she indulged from time to time.

Modifié par dpMeggers, 14 mai 2011 - 08:10 .

[Amondra]

berelinde wrote...

Amondra wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Well, there was mention of it in DA2? I dunno if this was glitched or something, as the only mage I have (the one I imported) let the Circle be annulled. What did Alistair ask Meredith, though?

 

Both my mages picked that boon and I never got that dialogue! >_< I am so pissed right now I am smoking

Don't smoke. It's bad for your health.

I didn't get that when I imported a mage who asked for that boon, but I did get it when I imported a generated save made with Gibbed's Dragon Age Save Game Generator.

Edit: And the Right of Conscription really does supercede the Chantry. Or at least it did with Alistair. And in the Anders short story, the templar Anders killed joined the Wardens specifically to be a jailor for Anders.

You know I have that and I never thought to try it with that >_> 

Also screw that Templar, I kill him every night when I sleep...seriously Chantry have power issues clearly.

[Amondra]

dpMeggers wrote...

Amondra wrote...

dpMeggers wrote...
I think the exact line is something along the lines of  "I wish to invoke the Right of Conscription." Which is why I was confused about Rylock being all "We're taking him now" because he had been conscripted into the Wardens, thus was untouchable for any previous crimes.

When she said "The Chantry supercedes the Crown in this matter." I know I was just kinda like "And the Right of Conscription supercedes both. Now go away." Unfortunately that wasn't an option.

Do you?  It's been awhile since I played.  I just know the Chantry can override the crown, when I hear that I chuckled and thought "Ahh the old Cathloic church, corruptio, Templars and all"

Ha! Spoken like a Lutheran. (I don't mean to be rude by that, the old Catholic Church was horrifically corrupt). And yes, I was raised Catholic, which means I get to hear all kinds of wonderful stories. Because really, the old Church had some FANTASTIC stories of corruption and hypocricy - my favourite being the Banquet of Chestnuts under Pope Alexander VI with his son Cesare (who was made a Cardinal at like 21 years old or so). They threw a massive party, invited a whole bunch of prostitutes, auctionned off the prostitutes' clothes, and then everyone crawled around on the floor chasing chestnuts before having an orgy. Great story, massive amounts of corruption.

I don't see that kind of corruption coming from the Chantry. Pity. The Divine might have been in a better mood if she indulged from time to time.

LOL Zevran was right the Chantry does need parties like that, maybe he was making a refernce to that?  Also funny you say that as my mutter is Luthern and my vati is Catholic(an Irish catholic at that)  However I am neither of the two, but that is not here nor there.  Though I love telling people who know anything about religion as it should get a small chuckle out of them.

The Chantry might not be as bad, but it was the first thing I thought of, mostly because of the Templars honestly.  And I hope you weren't taking it as I was saying the church is still so.  As I am talking about the Dark Anges and everything was corrupt, even your little toe.

Modifié par Amondra, 14 mai 2011 - 08:15 .

[dpMeggers]

Amondra wrote...

LOL Zevran was right the Chantry does need parties like that, maybe he was making a refernce to that?  Also funny you say that as my mutter is Luthern and my vati is Catholic(an Irish catholic at that)  However I am neither of the two, but that is not here nor there.  Though I love telling people who know anything about religion as it should get a small chuckle out of them.

The Chantry might not be as bad, but it was the first thing I thought of, mostly because of the Templars honestly.  And I hope you were taking it as I was saying the church is still so.  As I am talking about the Dark Anges and everything was corrupt, even your little toe.

Yes I can see how that little bit about your parents might make people giggle a bit and I understood what you meant about the Catholic Church, you did say "old" after all. 

Amondra wrote...

You know I have that and I never thought to try it with that >_> 

Also screw that Templar, I kill him every night when I sleep...seriously Chantry have power issues clearly.

Apart from Rylock being an absolute self-righteous zelot nutbar, it's my personal opinion that the Chantry was created in Val Royeaux as a justification for the rise of the Orlesian Empire, and that its continued interference in the running of other sovereign states is proof of joint Orlesian-Chantry intention to aid in the rise of an Andrastian Empire.

1)The Orlesian Empire and the Chantry were both founded by Kordillus Drakon I, over 100 years after the death of Andraste.(Source) He wasn't successful at conquering the Free Marches, so he just sent missionaries.(Source)
2) The Orlesian occupation of Ferelden was sanctionned by the Chantry. (Source: The Stolen Throne)
3) Revered Mother Dorothea, the Revered Mother in Lothering during Leliana's song (after the Occupation has finished), has, for some reason, access to state secrets of Orlais. (Source)
4) Kirkwall managed to break free of the Orlesian Empire in 8:05.(Source) However, over years later the Templars of Kirkwall are the major force in the city, having overthrown Vicount Threnhold after he tried to get rid of them (Source), chosen a second (Source: Codex entry on either Dumar or Threnhold I forget which), and stepped into his place upon his death (Meredith).

I don't really remember anything else at the moment, so I'll just leave it as this for now. It's not the best argument I know, and it may just be me being incredibly paranoid, but there you are.

[Amondra]

dpMeggers wrote...

Amondra wrote...

LOL Zevran was right the Chantry does need parties like that, maybe he was making a refernce to that?  Also funny you say that as my mutter is Luthern and my vati is Catholic(an Irish catholic at that)  However I am neither of the two, but that is not here nor there.  Though I love telling people who know anything about religion as it should get a small chuckle out of them.

The Chantry might not be as bad, but it was the first thing I thought of, mostly because of the Templars honestly.  And I hope you were taking it as I was saying the church is still so.  As I am talking about the Dark Anges and everything was corrupt, even your little toe.

Yes I can see how that little bit about your parents might make people giggle a bit and I understood what you meant about the Catholic Church, you did say "old" after all. 

Amondra wrote...

You know I have that and I never thought to try it with that >_> 

Also screw that Templar, I kill him every night when I sleep...seriously Chantry have power issues clearly.

Apart from Rylock being an absolute self-righteous zelot nutbar, it's my personal opinion that the Chantry was created in Val Royeaux as a justification for the rise of the Orlesian Empire, and that its continued interference in the running of other sovereign states is proof of joint Orlesian-Chantry intention to aid in the rise of an Andrastian Empire.

1)The Orlesian Empire and the Chantry were both founded by Kordillus Drakon I, over 100 years after the death of Andraste.(Source) He wasn't successful at conquering the Free Marches, so he just sent missionaries.(Source)
2) The Orlesian occupation of Ferelden was sanctionned by the Chantry. (Source: The Stolen Throne)
3) Revered Mother Dorothea, the Revered Mother in Lothering during Leliana's song (after the Occupation has finished), has, for some reason, access to state secrets of Orlais. (Source)
4) Kirkwall managed to break free of the Orlesian Empire in 8:05.(Source) However, over years later the Templars of Kirkwall are the major force in the city, having overthrown Vicount Threnhold after he tried to get rid of them (Source), chosen a second (Source: Codex entry on either Dumar or Threnhold I forget which), and stepped into his place upon his death (Meredith).

I don't really remember anything else at the moment, so I'll just leave it as this for now. It's not the best argument I know, and it may just be me being incredibly paranoid, but there you are.

That is a good argument!  Also I read that thing about the Vicount as well and my jaw dropped.  I however didn't know about that stuff with the Chantry and Orlais(?)

I was just making sure, my English can be ****** poor and I just rather make sure I am not upseting someone when I clearying don't mean too.

Edit:  WHY IS THIS SO CUTE?!

Modifié par Amondra, 14 mai 2011 - 09:16 .

[nekhbet]

Amondra wrote...

 Just found this on DA and wanted to share!

Just had to repost this (reading the page it was posted on originally) because Anders pictured as the classic image of justice gives me a prideboner.

And now I got to use the word.

Love the new topic title.

[Amondra]

nekhbet wrote...

Amondra wrote...

 Just found this on DA and wanted to share!

Just had to repost this (reading the page it was posted on originally) because Anders pictured as the classic image of justice gives me a prideboner.

And now I got to use the word.

Love the new topic title.

I just love that picture  

Also when I think of Justice being HARD, my mind wanders off to other things...then my kink canon comes true, even if in my dreams 

[nekhbet]

Yups, that's exactly where my mind went. The mods must really think we're a lost cause. Cheers to the mods!

[erilben]

Amondra wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Well, there was mention of it in DA2? I dunno if this was glitched or something, as the only mage I have (the one I imported) let the Circle be annulled. What did Alistair ask Meredith, though?

 

Both my mages picked that boon and I never got that dialogue! >_< I am so pissed right now I am smoking

There's a bug in Origins with King Alsitair. To get that mention of the boon without save editing, you have to spare Loghain and get Anora and Alsitair to marry. That way Alistair is angry at you which makes Anora grant the boon. If Alsitair grants the boon, the flag doesn't set.

[kromify]

ElleMullineux wrote...

Just finished DA:A for the first time and now I get why the timeline is so messed up. According to the epilogue "rumours" Anders was at the Vigil for years. I'm gonna guess that my Warden covered up for him when he did a bunk and let him slip away.

snippity snip

that's not why the timeline is messed up. (you kinda have to ignore any epilogue about anders in that unless he was "killed" at the keep which is explained). the problem is that lothering happens quite early on during the year of the blight, and hawke meets anders 1 year later when chronologically he should still be in amaranthine. (awakenings ends about 1 yr 6 mth after DA began.)

i put it down to varric being a little inaccurate, seeing as 10 yrs is a long time, and hawke presumably didn't jump straight into that first convo with bartrand exactly to the day she was released from servitude. maybe she had a couple months to herself...
and to think it could all be solved by hawke spending two yrs in servitude. such a small thing

[Ninche]

Hmm all I ever got was the guy at the pub telling me the Warden freed the mages of Ferelden and that it would be a disaster. Alistair isn't king in any of my mage playthroughs, I wonder how that happened