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[highcastle]

tsunderes wrote...

highcastle wrote...

tsunderes wrote...

My problem seems to be that I can't do the quest in act 3 even though it's still in my journal, and thus I haven't been able to interact properly with him after the Justice quest. Also when I click on him when he's in my party he always says the line about thanking me for gathering his bomb ingredients and that he needs to speak to me in private, even though I completed Justice ages ago.

Is he in a romance? You should be able to trigger the amulet quest at the manor in that case. If not, try running the console. That's how I got Merrill's quests to trigger properly before 1.02.

Nope, he's not. But it wont trigger at his base. Sorry but what does running the consol mean?

Are you on the PC? The developer's console is accessible only through the PC version of the game. There's a step by step guide on the Wiki detailing how to enable it. Once it's enabled, type: runscript zz_and_debug. This should bring up a menu on the dialogue wheel for accessing Anders' companion quests. Select Act 3 and Questioning Beliefs (I believe, I'm doing this from memory, but it should be fairly obvious once you get the menu up). You should then trigger his final Questioning Beliefs quest and outfit swap.

Edit: What a random post for top.

Modifié par highcastle, 14 mai 2011 - 05:47 .

[darkgriever26]

tsunderes wrote...

Nope, he's not. But it wont trigger at his base. Sorry but what does running the consol mean?

It's rather hard to explain [or more like I find it hard to explain]

Try looking this up dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Console_%28Dragon_Age_II%29 It will help you how to do it as well as the explain the console.

Edit: Oh there's highcastle's explanation Hope that would help you now.

Modifié par darkgriever26, 14 mai 2011 - 05:48 .

[tsunderes]

Ahh no I'm on the Xbox360

[highcastle]

In that case...it might be a bug and you may have to go back to Act 2 and redeem the amulet there. It'll cost you friendship points, but Anders is pretty easy to gain points with in both friendship and rivalry, so it won't be forever. Sorry. You may try asking in the 360 tech support forums for another workaround.

[DeaHamlet]

Well maybe you can't give him the gifts after the Justice quest. Try loading before that quest started and see if you can give it to him then.

[SurelyForth]

Gifts aren't coded the way they were in DAO- they're considered quests. My guess is that it's locked into Act II. I can't think of any quests that carry between Acts, which is why you get the heavy handed "Make sure you've taken care of business!" speeches from Bartrand and Aveline at the ends of Acts I and II respectively.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 14 mai 2011 - 06:19 .

[darkgriever26]

@tsunderes

Since your playing on Xbox 360, I'll have to agree that it might be a bug and you could ask for help in the tech support for Xbox 360. And like I said earlier, you could try going back again from your Act 2 save and just give the amulet to Anders despite getting that friendship increase.

Hmmm....I'm trying to remember if I gave him the amulet first before I did his Dissent quest. Try giving him the amulet first and then do his Dissent quest after. I'm sure you'll get rivalry points despite stopping Justice from killing Ella [the mage girl you will meet in Dissent]. And when questioning beliefs is triggered [hoping that after that you'll be full Rival with Anders] It would work out. If you will do the Night Terrors quest and then Anders is with you [and not yet 100% rival] I think he'll also have friendship points if you will not make a deal with Torpor. In my playthrough, after having 100% rivalry with Anders and then I accepted the Night Terrors quest there was no increase anymore since once you stick to one side it won't affect the meter anymore.

Hope that would help....if in act 3 it is still a problem, then it really is a bug

[tsunderes]

Irk, act 2 is so far back at this point. I wonder if I can just continue on despite the bug and still finish the game properly?

[darkgriever26]

Well you would still finish the game actually...I think the problem is with Anders only...or I dunno if that is the only problem you had.

[highcastle]

tsunderes wrote...

Irk, act 2 is so far back at this point. I wonder if I can just continue on despite the bug and still finish the game properly?

The game will finish no problem. I don't know if you've beaten the game before if you want spoilers, so I'll air on the side of caution and just say there's really no way to mess up Anders' actions in the endgame. The only problem I'd foresee would be if you were romancing Anders (as the romance wouldn't complete properly). As you're not, you just won't see him in his spiffy black threads.

[TotoroTori]

Just coming through and posting random silly fanart

orings22122.deviantart.com/art/Final-Anders-Romance-Scene-208351552



Is it wrong for me to kinda wish that had happened

[TheBlackBaron]

TotoroTori wrote...

Just coming through and posting random silly fanart

orings22122.deviantart.com/art/Final-Anders-Romance-Scene-208351552



Is it wrong for me to kinda wish that had happened

Oh god, Varric's face in that. Priceless. 

[Evilnor]

*injecting depression* so I've been on a Metallica kick lately, and I think this song here fits him on the rivalry path near the end of the game, especially the bit about weariness and losing himself, preparing to die.

Life it seems, will fade away
Drifting further every day
Getting lost within myself
Nothing matters no one else
I have lost the will to live
Simply nothing more to give
There is nothing more for me
Need the end to set me free

Things not what they used to be
Missing one inside of me
Deathly lost, this Can t be real
Cannot stand this hell I feel
Emptiness is filling me
To the point of agony
Growing darkness taking dawn
I was me, but now he 's gone

No one but me can save myself, but it's too late
Now, I can't think, think why I should even try
Yesterday seems as though it never existed
Death Greets me warm, now I will just say goodbye

--Fade to Black, by Metallica

PS: Anders pimp made me laugh so hard

[CalJones]

Heh I'd have thought A Tout Le Monde is a little more Anders.

[Lucretia]

Anders = Alistair when it comes to loyalty. both of them claim to love you, but they don't put their love above their duties/missions.

the only reason it worked out between my Hawke and Anders was because Lucretia Hawke was a mage and way too 'anti-templar', and she agreed with Anders. Anders doesn't give you any other option than to support him, its either take it or leave. This is definetly not romantic. Especially the part where he forces Hawke to help him gather the ingredients, emotionally blackmailing her in the process.

Alistair did the very same thing. The moment he became king, he dumped my elven mage warden. If producing an heir is the reason, then why does he marry the human noble warden? Does being human noble somehow magically make someone more fertile?? This was pure discrimination, even racism, and I was frustrated. I felt the same thing with Anders when I saw he completely betrayed my trust.

[Camilladilla]

Lucretia wrote...

Anders = Alistair when it comes to loyalty. both of them claim to love you, but they don't put their love above their duties/missions.

the only reason it worked out between my Hawke and Anders was because Lucretia Hawke was a mage and way too 'anti-templar', and she agreed with Anders. Anders doesn't give you any other option than to support him, its either take it or leave. This is definetly not romantic. Especially the part where he forces Hawke to help him gather the ingredients, emotionally blackmailing her in the process.

Alistair did the very same thing. The moment he became king, he dumped my elven mage warden. If producing an heir is the reason, then why does he marry the human noble warden? Does being human noble somehow magically make someone more fertile?? This was pure discrimination, even racism, and I was frustrated. I felt the same thing with Anders when I saw he completely betrayed my trust.

So were you just not paying attention when Anders himself warned you from the very start that he'll hurt and lie to you and repeatedly warned you off until you two had sexytimes?

Modifié par Camilladilla, 14 mai 2011 - 08:56 .

[Threeparts]

Lucretia wrote...

the only reason it worked out between my Hawke and Anders was because Lucretia Hawke was a mage and way too 'anti-templar', and she agreed with Anders. Anders doesn't give you any other option than to support him, its either take it or leave. This is definetly not romantic. Especially the part where he forces Hawke to help him gather the ingredients, emotionally blackmailing her in the process.

... Except for the entire Rivalry path?

Modifié par Threeparts, 14 mai 2011 - 08:56 .

[TheBlackBaron]

Lucretia wrote...

Alistair did the very same thing. The moment he became king, he dumped my elven mage warden. If producing an heir is the reason, then why does he marry the human noble warden? Does being human noble somehow magically make someone more fertile?? This was pure discrimination, even racism, and I was frustrated. I felt the same thing with Anders when I saw he completely betrayed my trust.

He also attempts to dump a HNF Warden, but you have the option of convincing him otherwise there. 

As far as the royalty goes, it's very important that Alistair produce an heir, and it is very important that that heir be human. Elf-human pairings may genetically result in a human, but they'd permanently have the stigma of one parent having been an elf. That simply will not fly with the Landsmeet or the general populace of Ferelden. 

But yes, you are correct, it's part of his character that in the end he puts his duty before his personal feelings (or at least tries to before the Warden uses her Jedi mind trick). Anders...I can't really call him blackmailing Hawke into helping him blow up the Chantry "putting duty before love". That's just Anders as a person being dead, Justice having completely taken over, and no longer having qualms about pulling dick moves like that. 

[Ryzaki]

Lucretia wrote...

Anders = Alistair when it comes to loyalty. both of them claim to love you, but they don't put their love above their duties/missions.

the only reason it worked out between my Hawke and Anders was because Lucretia Hawke was a mage and way too 'anti-templar', and she agreed with Anders. Anders doesn't give you any other option than to support him, its either take it or leave. This is definetly not romantic. Especially the part where he forces Hawke to help him gather the ingredients, emotionally blackmailing her in the process.

Alistair did the very same thing. The moment he became king, he dumped my elven mage warden. If producing an heir is the reason, then why does he marry the human noble warden? Does being human noble somehow magically make someone more fertile?? This was pure discrimination, even racism, and I was frustrated. I felt the same thing with Anders when I saw he completely betrayed my trust.

Alistair warns the female PC constantly that he'd make a bad king and he wouldn't want someone to have his life.  Her putting him on the throne anyways is your PC's fault. Really Alistair is pretty much jumping up and down with a DON'T MAKE ME KING! sign unhardened. 

Everytime someone brings it up he groans and tries not to think about it. If you sleep with him and bring it up he becomes troubled. If you don't make him king he gives you a how relieved he is talk (if you use to a mod to fix it from not firing). 

It's not racism. It's him being the king your PC forced him to be.

But my Hawkes had plenty of chances to disagree with Anders. Yes Hawke has to go along with the Chantry thing for the romance to progress. And yes that's a douche move. 

Though try rivaling Anders and see if you like him anymore. The two have a very different flavor to me. The ending's bugged though. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 mai 2011 - 09:06 .

[Camilladilla]

Also I didn't realize that loving someone and having a passion for a cause were mutually exclusive.

[mellifera]

Lucretia wrote...

Anders = Alistair when it comes to loyalty. both of them claim to love you, but they don't put their love above their duties/missions.

the only reason it worked out between my Hawke and Anders was because Lucretia Hawke was a mage and way too 'anti-templar', and she agreed with Anders. Anders doesn't give you any other option than to support him, its either take it or leave. This is definetly not romantic. Especially the part where he forces Hawke to help him gather the ingredients, emotionally blackmailing her in the process.

Alistair did the very same thing. The moment he became king, he dumped my elven mage warden. If producing an heir is the reason, then why does he marry the human noble warden? Does being human noble somehow magically make someone more fertile?? This was pure discrimination, even racism, and I was frustrated. I felt the same thing with Anders when I saw he completely betrayed my trust.

Alistair will still dump you as a human noble unless you say you'll marry him at the Landsmeet. Unless he is hardened, then you can stay as mistress the way you can with any other female Warden regardless of race. It's not Alistair being racist, he's just seeing the reality of the situation and making a decision based on what he considers best for the country he now has to rule. A female human noble is a member of one of the most respected families in Ferelden, regardless of whether or not she can give Alistair an heir (and this fertility thing isn't something the general public would have knowledge about anyway). Why would the nobles clamor to accept an elf or a dwarf or a mage as their queen, especially when the only authority who would want this is a king who hasn't even been crowned? Would Alistair like to make his lover his queen, regardless of who she is? Probably. Does he see that as a realistic outcome? No. So he does what he feels he has to do.

And you don't have to be a mage to agree with Anders' position. People can be invested in things that aren't directly related to their own personal safety/gain.

Modifié par yukidama, 14 mai 2011 - 09:04 .

[ashyraine]

Completely unrelated but I just can't take this scene seriously anymore:

http://tinyurl.com/3kvtfnd

Especially during the part where he is emphasizing his point with staff thumps.

[ashyraine]

yukidama wrote...

Lucretia wrote...

Anders = Alistair when it comes to loyalty. both of them claim to love you, but they don't put their love above their duties/missions.

the only reason it worked out between my Hawke and Anders was because Lucretia Hawke was a mage and way too 'anti-templar', and she agreed with Anders. Anders doesn't give you any other option than to support him, its either take it or leave. This is definetly not romantic. Especially the part where he forces Hawke to help him gather the ingredients, emotionally blackmailing her in the process.

Alistair did the very same thing. The moment he became king, he dumped my elven mage warden. If producing an heir is the reason, then why does he marry the human noble warden? Does being human noble somehow magically make someone more fertile?? This was pure discrimination, even racism, and I was frustrated. I felt the same thing with Anders when I saw he completely betrayed my trust.

Alistair will still dump you as a human noble unless you say you'll marry him at the Landsmeet. Unless he is hardened, then you can stay as mistress the way you can with any other female Warden regardless of race. It's not Alistair being racist, he's just seeing the reality of the situation and making a decision based on what he considers best for the country he now has to rule. A female human noble is a member of one of the most respected families in Ferelden, regardless of whether or not she can give Alistair an heir (and this fertility thing isn't something the general public would have knowledge about anyway). Why would the nobles clamor to accept an elf or a dwarf or a mage as their queen, especially when the only authority who would want this is a king who hasn't even been crowned? Would Alistair like to make his lover his queen, regardless of who she is? Probably. Does he see that as a realistic outcome? No. So he does what he feels he has to do.

And you don't have to be a mage to agree with Anders' position. People can be invested in things that aren't directly related to their own personal safety/gain.

Indeed. My first playthrough (blind at that somehow) was on a templar. She knew enough about the dangers of magic to want to have some skills when attacked by it, but sided with the mages plight due first and foremost to her memories of her father and love for her sister, but also due to her love for Anders (let's not get into the daddy issues).  She also spared him not only because she loved him but because she thought he could do more good helping the cause further than he could dying for it. Plus there was no way he was getting an easy way out after crushing the home she worked so hard for under chantry rubble

[blauwvis]

ashyraine wrote...

http://tinyurl.com/3kvtfnd
 

"Anders, what have you... wait... wait, is that.. am I seeing what I think I'm seeing?"

And I'll agree that Anders and Alistair were alike in that both put their perceived duties above love.  But I liked that about them both.  

[Lucretia]

Camilladilla wrote...

So were you just not paying attention when Anders himself warned you from the very start that he'll hurt and lie to you and repeatedly warned you off until you two had sexytimes?

What I didn't like was, the fact he contradicted with himself by saying he didn't want to involve Hawke but at the same time he totally DID involve her by getting her to help him. I find that completely dishonest. II can see why he never told her about what he planned to do, even though Hawke agreed with his point of view on mages.

If he didn't want to involve her, then he should have collected the damn stuff by himself. Hawke ended up being half guilty in the situation and he had to put her in a situation like this.

His warnings would make sense if he just left Hawke out of this and took the whole responsibility of the act himself.

Threeparts wrote...

... Except for the entire Rivalry path?

I never did the rivalry path with him because my characters are always anti templar. I just can't get to side myself with them so I always gain a lot of approval from Anders LOL

Ryzaki wrote...

Alistair warns the female PC constantly that he'd make a bad king and he wouldn't want someone to have his life.  Her putting him on the throne anyways is your PC's fault. Really Alistair is pretty much jumping up and down with a DON'T MAKE ME KING! sign unhardened. 

Everytime someone brings it up he groans and tries not to think about it. If you sleep with him and bring it up he becomes troubled. If you don't make him king he gives you a how relieved he is talk (if you use to a mod to fix it from not firing). 

It's not racism. It's him being the king your PC forced him to be. 

yukidama wrote...

Alistair will still dump you as a human noble unless you say you'll marry him at the Landsmeet. Unless he is hardened, then you can stay as mistress the way you can with any other female Warden regardless of race. It's not Alistair being racist, he's just seeing the reality of the situation and making a decision based on what he considers best for the country he now has to rule. A female human noble is a member of one of the most respected families in Ferelden, regardless of whether or not she can give Alistair an heir (and this fertility thing isn't something the general public would have knowledge about anyway). Why would the nobles clamor to accept an elf or a dwarf or a mage as their queen, especially when the only authority who would want this is a king who hasn't even been crowned? Would Alistair like to make his lover his queen, regardless of who she is? Probably. Does he see that as a realistic outcome? No. So he does what he feels he has to do.

Both of you are right, but having the break up conversation RIGHT AFTER landsmeet was really irritating. My Warden was like "Dude, take a chilling pill, its been like 5 secs". He rather seems to do it waayy too easily. He should have had more conflict with himself before actually making up his mind and breaking up with the warden.

Call me a hopeless romantic, but I think it would be so cute if the hardened Alistair would be like " You know what, screw everyone. I love you and I'll have you as my elven bride." *giggles*

Camilladilla wrote...

Also I didn't realize that loving someone and having a passion for a cause were mutually exclusive.

Putting passion for a cause above love for someone is heart breaking; thats what I'm saying.