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[Jean]

Anders is a terrorist.

He's also more than just, but he's still a terrorist.

Modifié par Batteries, 16 mai 2011 - 10:24 .

[kromify]

i don't care if he is a terrorist. he's my terrorist!

[CalJones]

I guess there may be a cameo in a future game, but by that point we'll be playing as someone else and romancing someone else. (Hopefully Cullen, heh).

[ipgd]

Melca36 wrote...
As for those people who refer to Anders a terrorist....they need to look up the definition.

Anders is a terrorist. The fact you like him doesn't change that.




Anders doesn't really have to be alive to have a big role in DA3, even if it's not necessarily an on-screen thing. He might get the Wrex/Tuchanka treatment, but instead of Tuchanka he has a big creepy cult and he's either its leader or its token martyr.

ANDERS IS THE NEXT ANDRASTE OKAY

Modifié par ipgd, 16 mai 2011 - 10:30 .

[Melca36]

Batteries wrote...

Anders is a terrorist.

He's also more than just, but he's still a terrorist.

Actually in a broader definition he's not.....

Timothy McVeigh was not considered a terrorist by the Department of Homeland Security..... He was considered someone angry at the government....

Thats more like Anders.


And I am not say they are innocent...I am just saying people need to look at the definition.

Anders is NOT Osama. He is more like an unhinged McVeigh Type.  

[purplecookie]

Camilladilla wrote...

DAYtheELF wrote...

It'd be hard for them to have Anders as a central, active figure in DA3 as many people probably killed him (::sniffle: in their DA2 games.  Bad, bad people!

....HOWEVER, maybe he isnt dead.  Hawke runs off to the final battle and leaves poor Anders behind.  Maybe Justice revives him somehow?  Or another mage comes in and heals him?  It could actually be pretty easy to bring him back without much stretching.

Bioware has a lot of outs in how they can retcon Anders back to the living, a lot more sensible ones than Leliana at least. In fact we have evidence of Anders survivng a templar sword through the chest in the short story, but word of Gaider is that Anders is quite dead.

I remember reading David Gaider's comment, it made me this:




because based on that I think a small cameo is the very most we could expect in DA3. I'm hoping that some DLC will be released though that's set during the 7 years of being in Kirkwall where Anders could get some share of a story's focus...

[upsettingshorts]

Melca36 wrote...

Timothy McVeigh was not considered a terrorist by the Department of Homeland Security..... He was considered someone angry at the government....

Source?

[Melca36]

ipgd wrote...

Melca36 wrote...
As for those people who refer to Anders a terrorist....they need to look up the definition.

Anders is a terrorist. The fact you like him doesn't change that.




Anders doesn't really have to be alive to have a big role in DA3, even if it's not necessarily an on-screen thing. He might get the Wrex/Tuchanka treatment, but instead of Tuchanka he has a big creepy cult and he's either its leader or its token martyr.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.   I have an inlaw who helped rescue people during 9/11. 

He's now retired but teaches First Aid/Rescue stuff and he even says Anders is not a terrorist.   He says its a freaking game that people should not take seriously. 

[Jean]

There needs to be an Upsettingshorts vuvuzela to summon him.

EDIT

Nevermind.

Modifié par Batteries, 16 mai 2011 - 10:34 .

[upsettingshorts]

He's wrong. It's called interpreting fiction.

That's like saying Vaughn wasn't a rapist because "it's just a game." He was and it is.

[Melca36]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

Timothy McVeigh was not considered a terrorist by the Department of Homeland Security..... He was considered someone angry at the government....

Source?

You can Google can't you?

Most experts said McVeigh's actions were a message to the government.

Terrorism has a  far more broader definition

[upsettingshorts]

Melca36 wrote...

You can Google can't you?

Most experts said McVeigh's actions were a message to the government.

Terrorism has a  far more broader definition

This is utter nonsense.  I know about the Oklahoma City bombing and indeed would say that in terms of real world examples, Timothy McVeigh does mirror Anders the closest.  And they were both terrorists.  "Most experts" my behind.   Most experts wouldn't draw this distinction you're drawing, in fact, I've never heard it before. 

You're actually arguing that it has a more specific definition.  Because if "angry at government" disqualifies someone from being labeled a terrorist, then most of the organizations on international terror watch lists wouldn't be on the list.

So yeah, provide a source.

Edit: I found what you're referring to, and it's laughable.  

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 16 mai 2011 - 10:41 .

[TripLight]

Melca36 wrote...

I have a feeling ****more***** people kept him alive then they care to admit. 

Most people don't like being called Terrorist supporters so I think they would not reveal whether they kept him alive.

As for those people who refer to Anders a terrorist....they need to look up the definition.

That's what I was thinking as well, and I have a feeling most of the people slinging the mud at us Anderstians are those people.<_<

[ipgd]

Melca36 wrote...

We'll just have to agree to disagree.   I have an inlaw who helped rescue people during 9/11. 

He's now retired but teaches First Aid/Rescue stuff and he even says Anders is not a terrorist.   He says its a freaking game that people should not take seriously. 

Just because terrorism has been flanderized by the west and irrevocably associated with a caricature of Evil Extremism does not mean Anders is not a textbook case of terrorism ("the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes" -- how is what he did not that?). Terrorism that is justifiable is still terrorism. Terrorism done by someone you like or agree with is still terrorism. Being a terrorist does not make him a bad character -- to the contrary, I think trying to soften the severity of what he did is a huge disservice to his character.

People who say it's "just a game" can blow me. Games have literary value like any other medium and should be treated with no less respect.

[Melca36]

TripLight wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

I have a feeling ****more***** people kept him alive then they care to admit. 

Most people don't like being called Terrorist supporters so I think they would not reveal whether they kept him alive.

As for those people who refer to Anders a terrorist....they need to look up the definition.

That's what I was thinking as well, and I have a feeling most of the people slinging the mud at us Anderstians are those people.<_<

Yep. Flemeth said change was coming. They should have known better.  But I have seen posts where people think all mages want to be bloodmages and such.

It makes me think that these same people probably think Wiccans are devil worshippers. 

[Jean]

Eh. I'm sure the majority of people who have played the game killed Anders.

Whether the reason being the kneejerk of "He killed a little old lady! He has to die!", because he flirted with your dude guy or if you kill him more out of sympathy.

[upsettingshorts]

Meredith is the police state. Anders is terrorism. You're supporting something pretty awful no matter what you choose. That's the point.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 16 mai 2011 - 10:43 .

[sable-eyed-lily]

purplecookie wrote...

Camilladilla wrote...

DAYtheELF wrote...

It'd be hard for them to have Anders as a central, active figure in DA3 as many people probably killed him (::sniffle: in their DA2 games.  Bad, bad people!

....HOWEVER, maybe he isnt dead.  Hawke runs off to the final battle and leaves poor Anders behind.  Maybe Justice revives him somehow?  Or another mage comes in and heals him?  It could actually be pretty easy to bring him back without much stretching.

Bioware has a lot of outs in how they can retcon Anders back to the living, a lot more sensible ones than Leliana at least. In fact we have evidence of Anders survivng a templar sword through the chest in the short story, but word of Gaider is that Anders is quite dead.

I remember reading David Gaider's comment, it made me this:




because based on that I think a small cameo is the very most we could expect in DA3. I'm hoping that some DLC will be released though that's set during the 7 years of being in Kirkwall where Anders could get some share of a story's focus...

If people did kill of Anders in their playthrough:( They should play it off in DA:3 as Justice using his Fade-life force thingy that's keeping the body working. (Sort of like the Kristoff thing, but less creepy) Then bits of Anders can pop out. Like.. Like that Doctor Who Silence in the Library episode. Where some sort of imprint is still there to communicate with us... Maybe? 

Or maybe Nathaniel magically pops up moments after Hawke kniffed him!! Yeah! And he was carrying a miracle potion that magically saves people on the brink of death! It's a potion that came from.. Tevinter! And Fenrial saw the future in his dream-magic thing and somehow managed to give the potion  to Nathaniel! So there...

Modifié par sable-eyed-lily, 16 mai 2011 - 10:48 .

[Melca36]

ipgd wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

We'll just have to agree to disagree.   I have an inlaw who helped rescue people during 9/11. 

He's now retired but teaches First Aid/Rescue stuff and he even says Anders is not a terrorist.   He says its a freaking game that people should not take seriously. 

Just because terrorism has been flanderized by the west and irrevocably associated with a caricature of Evil Extremism does not mean Anders is not a textbook case of terrorism ("the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes" -- how is what he did not that?). Terrorism that is justifiable is still terrorism. Terrorism done by someone you like or agree with is still terrorism. Being a terrorist does not make him a bad character -- to the contrary, I think trying to soften the severity of what he did is a huge disservice to his character.

People who say it's "just a game" can blow me. Games have literary value like any other medium and should be treated with no less respect.

You have a point but giving him the martyr's death is giving him what he wants. He needs to see the consequences of his actions.

[TripLight]

Sometimes with the vitriol on these forums, not here mind you everyone is pretty easy going here so that's why I hang, I feel like the writers and mods are doing this to stop full fledged flame-wars due to how strongly everyone feels about DA2's ending decisions.

[upsettingshorts]

Melca36 wrote...

You have a point but giving him the martyr's death is giving him what he wants.

Same with Timothy McVeigh.  He called it, "state-assisted suicide."

My first Hawke kills him in rage, my second Hawke kills him because she wants to exploit his memory. 

Neither gives a damn how Anders feels at that point, for different reasons.

I'm sure I wouldn't either.

[Melca36]

Batteries wrote...

Eh. I'm sure the majority of people who have played the game killed Anders.

Whether the reason being the kneejerk of "He killed a little old lady! He has to die!", because he flirted with your dude guy or if you kill him more out of sympathy.

Just so you know I killed him with my  warriors....

My Mage  & Rogues characters will never kill him. And thats that.

[Jean]

TripLight wrote...

Sometimes with the vitriol on these forums, not here mind you everyone is pretty easy going here so that's why I hang, I feel like the writers and mods are doing this to stop full fledged flame-wars due to how strongly everyone feels about DA2's ending decisions.

Heh, according to the majority of the posters in this forum the game had no "ending choices" and get more enraged about that.

[dpMeggers]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Meredith is the police state. Anders is terrorism. You're supporting something pretty awful no matter what you choose. That's the point.

Do you have some kind of signal that goes off when terrorism comes up in this thread? Like a giant mustache appears in the sky and you know the people of The Anders Thread need you to come and...argue?

I agree though, that all choices Hawke can make in that scenario sort of suck. Unless you kill Anders and then defend the mages I suppose. Because then you're not supporting terrorism. Sort of.

[ipgd]

Melca36 wrote...

You have a point but giving him the martyr's death is giving him what he wants. He needs to see the consequences of his actions.

When did I say anything about killing him?

If you care, we've already had an extensive ANDERS IS A TERRORIST ****** from pages 1479 to 1486ish

dpMeggers wrote...

Do you have some kind of signal that goes off when terrorism comes up in this thread? Like a giant mustache appears in the sky and you know the people of The Anders Thread need you to come and...argue?

Or people who tell him about it

Modifié par ipgd, 16 mai 2011 - 10:54 .