ipgd wrote...
ipgd wrote...
Ninche wrote...
Hmm I'm not sure chantry and templar leaders all over Thedas would go against their own circles because one circle somewhere wanted to start a war.
If their mages were rising up against them, they'd have to.
To expand further on that:
1. Small group of mages see what happened in the Kirkwall Circle and get the Revolutionary Fever
2. Templars crack down on that group of mages, increasing the security and restrictions on every mage in that Circle (remember how the Ferelden Circle stopped having outside time after Anders swam for it?)
3. More mages are spurned by the increased restrictions, sympathy for Libertarian/Resolutionist groups amongst mages increases
4. Templars have to increase security and restrictions further to contain the growing sedition
5. Repeat steps 3 and 4 indefinitely until the boiling point as been reached
6. The situation comes to a head; templars invoke the Right to keep control of the Circle
7. As the Right calls for the elimination of all of the mages of the Circle, even the mages previously not involved or sympathetic to the revolution must join the revolution and fight or they will be killed. All of the mages that are loyal enough to the Chantry to not fight against the Right will ultimately be killed for it.
8. If the mages win in any particular given Circle, they end up as an massive encouraging example to other liberation efforts in other Circles; if they lose, they still end up an example to more extremist factions of the Circles, which brings everything back to step #1.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
I kind of think for some circles it would be more immediate than this, as the escaped mages (now apostates) flee Kirkwall and start to spread what happened across Thedas. As someone mentioned people within the Ferelden Circle were fighting for their freedom when they all went a bit bloodmagey, so I don't see it as a big stretch for some of the circles to turn pretty much immediately. They finally get confirmation that it can be done, that they can beat their oppressors, (minus a champion, but you know *shrug*) and it wakes them out of their indoctrinated fug. There would be mages who react like Oranna, who just couldn't comprehend being free, there would be mages who were like Ketogen who don't
want to be free, but I would think the majority would see it as a now or never chance. And, as more and more of the circles rebel I could see the Divine very easily invoking the Right across the board, for
ALL circles no matter whether they were actively rebelling to 'prevent' uprising. And well, that wouldn't go down well.
And as we saw with Orsino, I think a majority of First Enchanters are more lenient than they perhaps should be in their control purely because the Templer control is so firm. I don't really see Orsino actively helping Quentin, more just taking an interested look at his work whilst knowing that it would be frowned upon. I would imagine there would be dangerous research going on in all circles, and the First Enchanters would, so long as it's not made obvious, turn a blind eye to it. If only because they know if they went to the Knight Commanders they'd be showing they were unfit for their job/ unable to control the circle, and they'd basically invite the Right to be inflicted. You have the scene in Orsino's office where he basically says he wishes he'd not asked you to investigate when he finds out the mages were trying to form a rebellion.
And heh - it was funny seeing an old discussion quoted. I still think the terrorism debate comes down to semantics ultimately. He did a horrible horrible thing. But he did a great thing - from my pov at least. I think it makes people question their beliefs and their reactions, and those kneejerk reactions against it make me sad. It's like they've not been playing the game properly, or they've not understood what was going on.
And yeah, Elthina was never neutral. Elthina knew exactly what
she was doing. And she probably willingly sacrified herself in the hope of driving the Divine to march against Kirkwall and put a stop to everything going further. How misguided she was.
Edithighcastle wrote...
Aw man, I can't believe I missed the
terrorist discussion and the uprising discussion. Stupid school
commandeering all my time. I think the speculation that some of the
templars might have risen up in defense of their mages is interesting.
We saw quite a mixed bag of templars in DA2, varying on a scale from
Alrik to Thrask, I'd say, but it seemed to me the emphasis was on the
oppressors. Even Cullen, who ultimately chooses to protect Hawke in the
pro-mages ending, is shown to be quite bigoted at times and implies he
endorses the Right being exercised in Kirkwall. It's really only Thrask
and the mentioned-but-never-seen Carver who are sympathetic to mages
throughout. I'd love to see more conflicted templars, just as I'd like
to see mages in Kirkwall who weren't all maleficarum.
^^ Re bolded; I could see that happening if a non-rebelling circle were to have the Right of Annulment passed on them. As much as Templars follow commands I could see some being uncomfortable with outright unprovoked slaughter.
Modifié par ElleMullineux, 17 mai 2011 - 05:48 .
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