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Iliked Anders in Awakenings but I have not had my character romance him in DA 2. I can not reconcile his actions with him as a person let alone a love interest. His behavior was to such a degree that, now, I do not like him in DA2. Is anyone else having this problem?


Yes.  Every single time I contemplate FLIRTING with him, I remember the first PT of mine, where I watched the chantry explode, and I'm left sitting there going, "Crap, he's a terrorist!"  And I just can't get past that disappointment enough to even think of romancing him now.

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ElleMullineux wrote...

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Back to the sad tranquil Anders for a moment, if you mess up with the Night Terrors quest like I did first time around, tell Feynriel that they are Demons etc, he begs you to make him tranquil. And you do. Anders might be pissy at you, but you get dialogue afterwards with Anders saying something along the lines of 'If I wasn't there I wouldn't have believed it' in a kind of wistful tone. And I wonder if it makes him think that maybe being tranquil isn't the worst thing that could happen to him, and that some mages do want it, they do want to be unburdened.
So maybe a tranquil Anders (my god it would break my heart) would not be the worse, rather that than lost to an abomination.(And by abomination I mean ugly twisty horrible thing, not cool blue glowly one).


I don't think Anders ever gets pissy at you.  If he's not present for the quest, it never comes up, and if he's there, it never comes up either.  I've played that quest six ways from Sunday because I was certain he'd have SOMETHING to say about it, but no, beyond his acknowledgement of it having been Feynriel's wish, nothing.

I don't think he sounded at all wistful, though.  Just amazed.  I doubt your interpretation is correct simply because Anders has always expressed contempt and fear for Tranquility.  Especially after what happened to Karl.  Just...wistful?  No.  Amazed that any mage would willingly ask for it, yes.  


By pissy I mean rivalry points, and by my interpretation I mean my interpretation, which is an opinion, which therefore can neither be right or wrong. We're not dealing in facts.

Amazed is an interesting choice of words. I think Anders is very blind to anything that doesn't fall into his dichotomy, so I like to bring him along to the quests that I know will have an interesting impact on his world view, and he does say some interesting bits and pieces. They don't go on to affect what he does for reasons already discussed at length, but I like to think they give him a bit more perspective.


I was pretty sure that's what you meant by pissy.  Since he acknowledges that it was Feynriel's wish, that's hardly surprising, and it just feeds back into what I said.  As for your opinion...well, I knew that.  The fact that I stated my own doesn't mean I thought you were stating a fact.  Or was this just another person thinking that the right to hold an opinion means that nobody is allowed to ever say what they think of that opinion? Not that I don't think that opinions can't be wrong.  But that's another discussion entirely.  

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You can disagree with opinions, discuss them, have lovely warm and cosy internet debates, but when you say someone is incorrect - "I doubt your interpretation is correct" you are saying that there is a correct interpretation. Which there isn't. Unless Voice of God says so. So there. :P

@ Yami - Totally agree, his complexity makes him totally and utterly wonderful. Just into Act 2 and I'm trying to avoid him so I can get Fenris and Isabella out of the way. It's killing me knowing he's there, in Darktown, waiting. Aching. :wub:
And yay! Bethany is dead in this playthrough now!!! :D

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ElleMullineux wrote...

You can disagree with opinions, discuss them, have lovely warm and cosy internet debates, but when you say someone is incorrect - "I doubt your interpretation is correct" you are saying that there is a correct interpretation. Which there isn't. Unless Voice of God says so. So there. :P

@ Yami - Totally agree, his complexity makes him totally and utterly wonderful. Just into Act 2 and I'm trying to avoid him so I can get Fenris and Isabella out of the way. It's killing me knowing he's there, in Darktown, waiting. Aching. :wub:
And yay! Bethany is dead in this playthrough now!!! :D


Which each of the LI's playthrough I killed my sibling off once so I can have them captured....I am horrid, but it was for science!

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Gnas wrote...

Iliked Anders in Awakenings but I have not had my character romance him in DA 2. I can not reconcile his actions with him as a person let alone a love interest. His behavior was to such a degree that, now, I do not like him in DA2. Is anyone else having this problem?


No. I liked him in Awakening and I love him in DA2. He's a really interesting character and I really like the direction he was taken in this game. He's controversial, he's difficult, but I like him all the more because of that. There's a lot of depth to be explored.


this. who wants a straighforward romance!? doesn't make good fiction.

but i think i must be biased because i romanced anders in my first PT. i liked him before he blew up the chantry, and i forgave him for the deed. it might have been different if i'd romanced fenris, but who can say? i just remember being in awe/ becoming obsessed over anders after he jenga'd; i really felt for the guy because we can see how far he has fallen since awakening. it made me feel so awful for the poor fella that i had to keep romancing him in playthroughs to try and make him happier. i wish he was happy :crying:

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It was more her moaning about the Maker making so many darkspawn...She wound me up. And now I need to make sure I do things in the right order so Anders gets captured. :D

I still need to do a science mage aggressive m!Hawke who rivalmances Anders. Can't quite face it yet though.

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that's what youtube is for

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kromify wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Gnas wrote...

Iliked Anders in Awakenings but I have not had my character romance him in DA 2. I can not reconcile his actions with him as a person let alone a love interest. His behavior was to such a degree that, now, I do not like him in DA2. Is anyone else having this problem?


No. I liked him in Awakening and I love him in DA2. He's a really interesting character and I really like the direction he was taken in this game. He's controversial, he's difficult, but I like him all the more because of that. There's a lot of depth to be explored.


this. who wants a straighforward romance!? doesn't make good fiction.

but i think i must be biased because i romanced anders in my first PT. i liked him before he blew up the chantry, and i forgave him for the deed. it might have been different if i'd romanced fenris, but who can say? i just remember being in awe/ becoming obsessed over anders after he jenga'd; i really felt for the guy because we can see how far he has fallen since awakening. it made me feel so awful for the poor fella that i had to keep romancing him in playthroughs to try and make him happier. i wish he was happy :crying:


I knew what he was going to do.  Right down to the manipulations.

I did it anyway.  Walked into that tragedy with my eyes wide open.  I kept trying to make sure with my Hawke... "Really? You don't want the elf?  He's rather cute when he broods.  And he doesn't blow anyone up..."

Nope, she wanted the scruffy apostate who leaves milk out for kittens and nukes little old ladies.

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 Just delurking long enough to say that, though Word of Gaider stated Anders was dead, I don't remember anything about Justice passing with him. That...is nightmare fuel. If it was frustrating inhabiting a friend's living body, I can't imagine being trapped in his corpse will improve Justice's demeaner. :crying:

And because Bioware feasts on fangirl tears, I wouldn't be entirely shocked to find out one of the next expansions includes an "Anders Zombie" NPC, complete with a quest to get Justice back into the Fade. Sad thing is, I would still buy it. :pinched:

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ElleMullineux wrote...

It was more her moaning about the Maker making so many darkspawn...She wound me up. And now I need to make sure I do things in the right order so Anders gets captured. :D

I still need to do a science mage aggressive m!Hawke who rivalmances Anders. Can't quite face it yet though.


Anders is captured only if he is not in the party when you kill off the tempalrs and mages I think in Darktown? And Karen(?) there.  If he is in the party when you reach that point I think it picks who is next highest with influence friend or rival who is not in the party.

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I'm just going to drop this in here. It's NSFW so I'm linking. BUT DAYUM.

Will You Join Me?

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ElleMullineux wrote...

It was more her moaning about the Maker making so many darkspawn...She wound me up. And now I need to make sure I do things in the right order so Anders gets captured. :D

I still need to do a science mage aggressive m!Hawke who rivalmances Anders. Can't quite face it yet though.

I adore the Carver sibling-rivalry, because it just feels SO realistic. He's such a jackass, it's fantastic.

Bethany really reminds me of my sister sometimes, and I'm the eldest of three (I have a younger sister and a younger brother, so I really didn't have to RP that very hard) so I can't stomach the idea of killing her off, even for science. I don't even like making her a Warden to be honest. She's just so sweet I want to protect her. Even if Carver is more fun.

I can't kill either of them off. Even for science. Anders will have to remain uncaptured in my playthroughs. And that's fine. Older-sibling rage is fun.

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adam howden in new tricks

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Miri1984 wrote...

I'm just going to drop this in here. It's NSFW so I'm linking. BUT DAYUM.

Will You Join Me?


Purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrfect.... nighty night Andersfans! :wub:

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Gnas wrote...

Iliked Anders in Awakenings but I have not had my character romance him in DA 2. I can not reconcile his actions with him as a person let alone a love interest. His behavior was to such a degree that, now, I do not like him in DA2. Is anyone else having this problem?


No problem here. I don't condone his actions, but I approve of his goals and I've devoted quite a bit of time to thinking about what drove him to the Chantry jenga. Throughout DA2 we watch Anders' mental stability deterioriate, but the process was started even before DAA.

Prior to DAA, Anders spent a year in solitary confinement. That's not an experience you walk away from unscathed. He's also witnessed beatings, rapes, and other abuses at the hands of the templars. In DAA, he's saved from that by the Warden...only for his commander to abandon him and another templar step into his place. That's a final straw for Anders, I think. He's come so close to freedom, he's not going to give it up now. So he enters into a pact with Justice and he makes his escape. He heads to Kirkwall with the intention of helping other mages escape, but in those attempts he doesn't really make a lot of progress. The Circle remains intact. No one who has the power to stand up to the Knight-Commander is willing to do it.

Hawke can go to the Chantry on numerous occasions with varying amounts of evidence against the templars, asking Elthina to intercede. She refuses. And then by the time Act 3 rolls around, Ser Karras reveals Meredith's sent for the Right of Annulment. Anders sees all mages at risk now. And he knows something has to be done. He guesses (rightly so, as it turns out) that the First Enchanter won't confront Meredith directly about this, but will instead go to the Chantry. So the Chantry goes boom. In Anders' eyes, this is the only move he can make to ensure the Circle will rebel, the mages will fight the templars. He knows he can't fight Meredith on his own, but if the mages are in open rebellion, they at least stand a chance.

Is what he did a good thing? Well, that depends on how you see the Circle. Killing Elthina and blowing up the Chantry is a very morally questionable move. Whatever your thoughts on Elthina, she'd never directly harmed anyone. She seemed to be a somewhat calming presence on Meredith. But she always, always refused to take a side. She's the one person in Kirkwall who has the power and authority to stop the abuses of the templars, but she won't do it. So to Anders, that makes her a military target.

I don't think anyone was entirely comfortable with Anders' actions the first time through the game, if only for the real-world overtones. And I believe that's intentional. But I still find Anders' goals sympathetic. Even back in Origins, my first character was a mage, and I remember being pretty disgusted by the Circle and the Tranquil. It's not a good system, it doesn't work. Should Anders have tried to change it in this way? I don't think so. But I believe he thought it was the only move that would work, and as I've said, I support that change. Since you can't undo the Chantry jenga, the only thing left to do is move forward and try to build something better in its wake.

And as for Anders as a romance...man oh man is there so much drama in it. I love the tragedy of it, I love the way he reluctantly manipulates Hawke. You can tell it's torturing him to do it, and it drives a bit of wedge between them in the third act. I'm a sucker for drama and angst, and to me seeing two people who genuinely love each other fall apart because they're not confiding in each other, well...that's great story material right there.

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Miri1984 wrote...

I'm just going to drop this in here. It's NSFW so I'm linking. BUT DAYUM.

Will You Join Me?


ANDERSBUTT!

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TotoroTori wrote...

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I spent way more time on this than I should have, haha.
*snip tehawesome*

As for Hawke, you can imagine he/she is hiding somewhere between the wings. And yes, even as a dragon he has feathered pauldrons.



What! Flemmeth taught Anders to be a dragon but not my Hawke! How could she?!?

Anyways Anders actually brings up a Dragon Age comment in the Bone Pit.
"No wonder they call this the Dragon Age, so many dragons around!"

:whistle:

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i make beth a warden cause she has nice swishy robe armour. carver gets to be a templar because he is one of the nice ones

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Nope, she wanted the scruffy apostate who leaves milk out for kittens and nukes little old ladies.


I love this. Darn you Anders.

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kromify wrote...

i make beth a warden cause she has nice swishy robe armour. carver gets to be a templar because he is one of the nice ones


I have one Warden Beth playthrough, although I prefer Circle Bethany because she gets over the self-loathing thing (she'll get her playthrough eventually).

Carver only ever gets to be a Warden in my playthroughs. I like how much he grows up as a Warden. (Also I would totallly date Warden Carver. He's fantastic).

I love them both, equally and differently, but I really would love to know what they think of big sister dating any of the LI's. It's sort of sad they disappear before that happens.

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I'll just leave this here :whistle:

http://cloud.steampo...AEF30C1E4D3C75/

What? It has Anders in it.. sort of :innocent:

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dpMeggers wrote...

kromify wrote...

i make beth a warden cause she has nice swishy robe armour. carver gets to be a templar because he is one of the nice ones


I have one Warden Beth playthrough, although I prefer Circle Bethany because she gets over the self-loathing thing (she'll get her playthrough eventually).

Carver only ever gets to be a Warden in my playthroughs. I like how much he grows up as a Warden. (Also I would totallly date Warden Carver. He's fantastic).

I love them both, equally and differently, but I really would love to know what they think of big sister dating any of the LI's. It's sort of sad they disappear before that happens.


I've made Carver a templar in my current playthrough but in all previous he's made into a Warden because Warden Carver is just the awesome-est. I actually felt proud on my first PT

highcastle wrote...

And as for Anders as a romance...man oh man is there so much drama in it. I love the tragedy of it, I love the way he reluctantly manipulates Hawke. You can tell it's torturing him to do it, and it drives a bit of wedge between them in the third act. I'm a sucker for drama and angst, and to me seeing two people who genuinely love each other fall apart because they're not confiding in each other, well...that's great story material right there.


Highcastle I love your whole post but this one just sums up my feelings so much. With the exception of one playthrough I've always had Anders and my Hawke be "fugitives together", fighting for their cause, so for me that provides some semblance of counterbalance to the angst so that it's not entirely depressing, but it is tragic on so many levels, for the characters both individually and as a couple.

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ashyraine wrote...

I'll just leave this here :whistle:

http://cloud.steampo...AEF30C1E4D3C75/

What? It has Anders in it.. sort of :innocent:


Danny's been waxing himself for Anders eh?

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Camilladilla wrote...

ashyraine wrote...

I'll just leave this here :whistle:

[snip sessy Danny]
What? It has Anders in it.. sort of :innocent:


Danny's been waxing himself for Anders eh?


Yes. And he's trying the glistening thing out too apparently. Anders approves +100

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ashyraine wrote...

Yes. And he's trying the glistening thing out too apparently. Anders approves +100


LOL

I think he's like to blind people with that amount of shine XD