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nenosronhir wrote...

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Squeeeeeeeee!! (Sorry) It didn't say "...for a time" in the epilogue! It said everyone left eventually...EXCEPT for Anders. But dammit who is stealing our heroes!


I have a horrifying mental image of Flemeth creating a Harvester made of badasses.  :crying:


I swear to god if Flemeth is collecting heroes and we get to meet Maric at some point I am just going. to. EXPLODE.


Oh noooo!  I forgot about Maric's "death".  Well, I am probably going to have write a crackfic about Maric, Hawke, and the Warden hanging out in Flemeth's Hero Dungeon at some point.

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leggywillow wrote...

I just got some awesome banter between Fenris and Anders after Hawke sleeps with both of them and ALMOST DIED OF SQUEE.

Anders: You were an idiot to leave Hawke
Fenris: And you were fast enough to replace me
Anders: I love her.  You can't even imagine what that is.
Fenris: Do not bare your heart to me, mage.  Unless you would see me rip it out.


That's it- I'm doing a **** play through next. I MUST HEAR THIS.

Ya know, there should be a theatre option to watch all cinematics after you have completed the game. So many scenes I want to watch again without having to fight a big, freaking boss battle first. :(

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leggywillow wrote...

I just got some awesome banter between Fenris and Anders after Hawke sleeps with both of them and ALMOST DIED OF SQUEE.

Anders: You were an idiot to leave Hawke
Fenris: And you were fast enough to replace me
Anders: I love her.  You can't even imagine what that is.
Fenris: Do not bare your heart to me, mage.  Unless you would see me rip it out.

This is just so much awesome, I might have to try it myself in a later playthrough... after there's a detailed guide for it to make sure that I don't mess up, and after I've already romanced them with their own FemHawkes.

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leggywillow wrote...

Oh noooo!  I forgot about Maric's "death".  Well, I am probably going to have write a crackfic about Maric, Hawke, and the Warden hanging out in Flemeth's Hero Dungeon at some point.


I kept getting the impression that the "appointment" Flemeth needed to keep was not just with the Warden. It was too... I AM DOING SOMETHING IMPORTANT AND BEING AMBIGUOUSLY AMBIGUOUS ABOUT IT. BE AFRAID.

Also---- ... Flemeth's Hero Dungeon. Epic win.

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Kim Shepard wrote...

This is just so much awesome, I might have to try it myself in a later playthrough... after there's a detailed guide for it to make sure that I don't mess up, and after I've already romanced them with their own FemHawkes.


I haven't been strong enough to give Fenris his own Hawke yet.  I tried, but Anders is just too tempting and I ended up with a Hawke as easy as Isabela. XD

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In my ending, it said everyone left me except Isabela. D: I only slept with her once! And that was it! Then I stayed devoted to Anders and told him we could be fugitives together! And I could bring him with me on Isabela's ship! WHY DO YOU HATE MY RELATIONSHIP WITH ANDERS, BIOWARE?

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I normally have one character for each romance, and only break that pattern when I don't care about the squadmates involved. To use an example from Mass Effect, my EvilShep is going to romance Liara, Miranda, and recruit Morinth just to manipulate them for power and influence (but they still get other Shepards who care about them too), while my favorites have one Shepard and any more would mean they're cheating. xD But there are a lot more options in DA2 with the addition of friendship/rivalry romances. So now my favorites will probably have multiple Hawkes... that'll be a first.

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FWIW, I am firmly in the "Anders did not kill the templars in Awakening camp." I don't think he'd be around if he had, he definitely wouldn't come back when you let him go, and he seemed genuinely aghast when Rylock accuses him. I got the distinct impression that he always went peacefully back with the templars as fighting them would both prove their point and get him killed.

So I played up until the Gallows, and I have to admit that I am glad that his upgraded costume isn't quite as handsome hobo as his main one. And he looks good in darker colors, cruelly symbolic as they might be.

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So honestly, what do you guys think happens to Anders (and Hawke) after the game?  (Until BW tells us what's going on, I'm imagining that Hawke disappeared due to her boyfriend becoming a terrorist rather than anything more sinister.)

Varric says that Anders stayed with her, which is good.  But I'm having a really hard time conjuring up a "happily ever after".  Anders/Justice won't consider their duty to help mages finished, will they?  Does this mean that Anders's sanity will continue the downward spiral the Codex indicated?

I just wish Janders would realize they've done enough for one lifetime and rest.  Let Anders live the last 20 years of his life in peace.  I don't think he'll ever be entirely at peace, but maybe just leaving Kirkwall will ease the pressure?  Ugh.  Depressing.

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leggywillow wrote...

So honestly, what do you guys think happens to Anders (and Hawke) after the game?  (Until BW tells us what's going on, I'm imagining that Hawke disappeared due to her boyfriend becoming a terrorist rather than anything more sinister.)

Varric says that Anders stayed with her, which is good.  But I'm having a really hard time conjuring up a "happily ever after".  Anders/Justice won't consider their duty to help mages finished, will they?  Does this mean that Anders's sanity will continue the downward spiral the Codex indicated?

I just wish Janders would realize they've done enough for one lifetime and rest.  Let Anders live the last 20 years of his life in peace.  I don't think he'll ever be entirely at peace, but maybe just leaving Kirkwall will ease the pressure?  Ugh.  Depressing.

Well, since I'm retconning Varric's ending of the story... :| I like to imagine that my Hawke and Anders joined Isabella on her ship. He might have left for a bit to angst, but if he did, my Hawke would track that bastard down and get him back. >V He refused to let him ago especially after all they've been through despite Justice/Vengeance raging inside him. I'd like to think that Hawke would devote his spare time to trying to figure out how to get rid of the spirit since he's seen the extent to which the spirit has driven Anders.

Going by the angsty route (ala Varric's ending), Anders probably left my Hawke since ~this is the skin of a killer~ and Hawke would try tracking him down while angsting in Isabela's arms (his bffl and fwb :c). She understands.

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leggywillow wrote...

So honestly, what do you guys think happens to Anders (and Hawke) after the game?  (Until BW tells us what's going on, I'm imagining that Hawke disappeared due to her boyfriend becoming a terrorist rather than anything more sinister.)

Varric says that Anders stayed with her, which is good.  But I'm having a really hard time conjuring up a "happily ever after".  Anders/Justice won't consider their duty to help mages finished, will they?  Does this mean that Anders's sanity will continue the downward spiral the Codex indicated?

I just wish Janders would realize they've done enough for one lifetime and rest.  Let Anders live the last 20 years of his life in peace.  I don't think he'll ever be entirely at peace, but maybe just leaving Kirkwall will ease the pressure?  Ugh.  Depressing.


I'm afraid to speculate, but my warrior has some basic templar skills, a set of templar armor and the Cumberland Circle robes in her inventory just in case. She'll just be Ser Jane Smith of Someplace You've Never Been escorting Enchanter Joe the Handsomely Disheveled but Slightly Off to The Chantry A Few Towns Over. That should fly for a few months, right? News travels slow in Thedas. 

Seriously, I have no idea. Will what happened release some of the pressure, or will Vengeance grow stronger? I could see my Hawke thinking Ferelden/Alistair might be an idea, but she wouldn't want to doom them, too. Especially with stupid Sebastian and his stupid vendetta against Anders hanging over their heads. In addition to all that Chantry business. 

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I would like to imagine my FemHawke with Anders/Justice, staying out of trouble for a while as they plan their next move for the revoution. Justice for sure would want to continue fighting for the cause as long as he exists in Anders, and it's a cause that my FemHawke supports. By that point in the game, she'll be violently anti-templar as well, and decide that she'd rather fight than hide from them like she's been doing for the majority of her life. Not sure yet if her brother will end up being one of those templars though.

Of course, we have no idea what really happens next, so I'm trying not to plan out anything too big that might contradict with a later game.

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Well I've just finished my first play which was a rogue Hawke who didn't want to pick sides since they were both very murky but reluctantly sided with mages, and who also romanced Anders.

I have to say, props to you, Jennifer, for your writing on Anders. Even though I sort of also hate you for that tremendous punch in the gut (it stings!). Aside from him behaving very believably like a real person who's absolutely dedicated to a cause, I can't even claim I didn't see signs that something bad was coming. I just didn't know how catastrophic it would be. I chose to put trust in Anders that he cared enough for Hawke not to abuse her faith in him with a betrayal like that (I very reluctantly and angrily agreed to distract the Grand Cleric for him). So when the Gallows blew up I think I forgot to breathe for a couple seconds, it was a double shock. And the thing is, I still believed his love for Hawke was real, even afterward. I agonized over whether or not to kill him but spared him out of both sentiment and the thought that he could possibly redeem himself somehow (but I ended the romance because you just can't come back from such a giant breach of trust). It was probably the wrong thing to do, I should have killed him but I couldn't bring myself to, and it cost me nearly all of my companions. The whole time, too, after I agreed to distract the Grand Cleric, I had a niggling thought in my head that I'd done the wrong thing. Now my Hawke has seen everything she's touched go to crap despite her best intentions and she's a fugitive terrorist without wanting to be. And Anders is still with her I guess for reasons unknown. My god what a mess. 

I mean wow, what an experience. My playthrough was full of delicious drama and it was great. My one complaint would be that I didn't feel quite as close to the character as I did with the Origins romances but I'm not sure what exactly the cause of that is or if it's just that Origins was my first time playing a game that even had them. Still, it was a great experience, and I thought you might like to know. Now I need to go do the other romances. ^_^

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I'm very disappointed with this romance :( I expected much dialogue with him, and we have a few lines for the whole game. And unlike Origins we don't know the epilogues of our companions :(

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leggywillow wrote...

I just got some awesome banter between Fenris and Anders after Hawke sleeps with both of them and ALMOST DIED OF SQUEE.

Anders: You were an idiot to leave Hawke
Fenris: And you were fast enough to replace me
Anders: I love her.  You can't even imagine what that is.
Fenris: Do not bare your heart to me, mage.  Unless you would see me rip it out.


i am unable to lable the feeling this makes me have :crying: or <3?

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Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

I just got some awesome banter between Fenris and Anders after Hawke sleeps with both of them and ALMOST DIED OF SQUEE.

Anders: You were an idiot to leave Hawke
Fenris: And you were fast enough to replace me
Anders: I love her.  You can't even imagine what that is.
Fenris: Do not bare your heart to me, mage.  Unless you would see me rip it out.


i am unable to lable the feeling this makes me have :crying: or <3?


omg not my baby Fenris! :*(

I do like Anders and will definitely romance him sometime but I'd never turn my back on Fenris once I turn to him! D:

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Aveline and Anders have some pretty interesting banters too. The part about Anders suggesting that they should paint each others toe nails, for example.

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Trophonius wrote...

Aveline and Anders have some pretty interesting banters too. The part about Anders suggesting that they should paint each others toe nails, for example.


What!

*returns to game* Sorry Beth! *boots* I need to hear this! XD

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Trophonius wrote...

Aveline and Anders have some pretty interesting banters too. The part about Anders suggesting that they should paint each others toe nails, for example.


I can't wait for someone to compose a vid of all the Ander banter for DA2.... XD

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leggywillow wrote...

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LOL I know! It's like I threw everybody against me for you. Show me some love, sugah!


You rival-manced him, right?  Were you just anti-mage/pro-templar the entire time?  I think I want to try that on my warrior, once I get around to her.


I started pro-mage but then I don't know almost the end of Act 1, I started seeing things from the Templars point of view too. Everything isn't as black and white as Anders thinks but I was trying to play it safe. Later on I realized that if I supported Anders maybe he might get out of control. It's really tricky to rival-mance him. He hates Templars but hates blood mages and demons. When the kiss scene happens, he tells me the things in my sig. lol We have this love-hate relationship. He looks really frustrated but still gives you the "I still love you" look. It's painful.

Late Act 2 or early Act 3 he says that he doesn't understand how I can make him angry at daytime and passionate at night. I was like "woah there..." Rival-mance has its benefits since you can disagree with him but they still love each other, which is how I feel about him. They have such a tragic relationship really. At the end I sided with the mages anyway because I have this impossible illussion that maybe she can help him free mages without blowing every Chantry in their way. I will hopelessly hold onto some hope.

My next playthrough is rival-mancing Fenris since I will be a mage. I keep saying I don't like angsty romance but I like the whole "this is not what I believe but I still love you..." I find it more romantic than agreeing with their self-destructive ways. Put up a little fight.


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Damnit, Anders! Stop it, with that voice, and those eyes, my rogue Hawke WILL BE for Fenris...!! *flail*

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nenosronhir wrote...

He also says "Thank you for my life. I'll try not to make such a mess of it this time." when you tell him to go (and I think when you keep him at your side). I never believed there would be an opportunity to separate Anders and Jusitce after Hepler's short; if anything, it feels to me like Anders finally comes to terms with himself in the follow-up dialogue. He is Anders and Justice; he has the courage to fight for this cause and do what needs to be done, and it feels like it was his indecision and ambivalence through the second Act that was tearing his mind apart.

He comes across as more stable/focused/determined in the climax than he was throughout the rest of the game, but that might be me, and I haven't replayed the ending conversation yet(which is still a blur).

Also, keep in mind that when a Knight-Commander invokes the Rite of Annulment, all of the bitty apprentice mages are condemned to death as well, and I imagine that if Meredith had found enough evidence (fabricated, imagined, or otherwise) of blood magic in the tower, she would have condemned them all anyway. If not now, soon, with how hard she was coming down on the mages.

Innocents were going to die (and HAD been dying/turning to bloodmagic/becoming abominations) needlessly either way. Anders did what he had to do to make it mean something more.


I can understand that Meredith is crazy but I just cannot justify his actions . I sided with the mages. I let him live and by her side because I think the love him and Lady Hawke have is genuine but he chose to be like Meredith through his actions. They are both completely mad driven by the principle of their cause, that they whole-heartedly believe is bigger than people's lives. If you're sacrificing people and are building your just principle upon the blood of innocents, then the mages will not be any better than the Templars and the whole thing will repeat itself over and over again.

There should be a better way to free mages or make a compromise between the Chantry and the Circle and even take a substantial amount of power from the Chantry. They shouldn't be allowed to have that much power ever again but if mages take down this path of pay blood with blood, the whole thing will never end.

Either way he accomplished what he wanted. There will be a war. Whether it will benefit the mages or not remains to be seen. As I look back though, there seems to be bigger things happening between Orlais and Ferelden and maybe even other nations. There will be war everywhere. I hope there's a blight coming then that will be the cherry on top.

We don't even know what Flemeth wants or what Morrigan fears. Also the hints that mages are being born more than before rises a lot of question about Thedas. I don't think we have enough context to decide what is right or wrong or what would benefit the mages the most.

:?

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nenosronhir wrote...

Damnit, Anders! Stop it, with that voice, and those eyes, my rogue Hawke WILL BE for Fenris...!! *flail*


I know! Im at the point now where Im being nice to Anders, and he's flirting. Im on a rogue and wanted this to be my playthrough with Fenris. BUT ITS SO HARD ; ;

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panamakira wrote...
I can understand that Meredith is crazy but I just cannot justify his actions . I sided with the mages. I let him live and by her side because I think the love him and Lady Hawke have is genuine but he chose to be like Meredith through his actions. They are both completely mad driven by the principle of their cause, that they whole-heartedly believe is bigger than people's lives. If you're sacrificing people and are building your just principle upon the blood of innocents, then the mages will not be any better than the Templars and the whole thing will repeat itself over and over again.

There should be a better way to free mages or make a compromise between the Chantry and the Circle and even take a substantial amount of power from the Chantry. They shouldn't be allowed to have that much power ever again but if mages take down this path of pay blood with blood, the whole thing will never end.

Either way he accomplished what he wanted. There will be a war. Whether it will benefit the mages or not remains to be seen. As I look back though, there seems to be bigger things happening between Orlais and Ferelden and maybe even other nations. There will be war everywhere. I hope there's a blight coming then that will be the cherry on top.

We don't even know what Flemeth wants or what Morrigan fears. Also the hints that mages are being born more than before rises a lot of question about Thedas. I don't think we have enough context to decide what is right or wrong or what would benefit the mages the most.

:?


Considering when/if you run into your sibling, I think I recall Carver mentioning "I should be fighting the Blight," (I can't remember if this is in Act II or III, though). Which still pegs it years after the Blight in Ferelden(unless I'm misremembering)... *shifty eyes* Thedas is going to hell in a handbasket! Huzzah! XD

As an aside, though, the war between Ferelden and Orlais intrigues me, because Orlais is the seat of the Divine. CURIOUSER AND CURIOUSER.

The one thing I'm certain of in regards to the mages is that I'm glad they get to make the choice, regardless of what it took to get there. Whatever happens, my mage Hawke (at the very least) will not regret being at Anders' side, will not regret being a part of this, even if that means her hands are stained as well. :3

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Souris wrote...

nenosronhir wrote...
Damnit, Anders! Stop it, with that voice, and those eyes, my rogue Hawke WILL BE for Fenris...!! *flail*


I know! Im at the point now where Im being nice to Anders, and he's flirting. Im on a rogue and wanted this to be my playthrough with Fenris. BUT ITS SO HARD ; ;


IT ISSSSSSS I swear I might just have to go through the campaign not doing his quests for I will not be able to resist that damnable <3 button!

But, then again, Gideon Emery. It's just because I haven't unlocked Fenris in this playthrough yet, haven't heard the sexiness that makes my ears blush whenever he speaks. ;A; BUT ANDERS WITH THAT POUT. AUGH. And now I see the downfall of making all the LI bi; I can't run to another gender to avoid the romance, noooooooooooooooo *sobs*