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[erilben]

Amondra wrote...

Well Karl was sent to Kirkwall because they needed new talent. Couldn't the same thing have happened to Anders? I don't know how easy it is to come by healers. So he was sent the the Fereldan circle? And because of his distaste for his father, he threw out his name, and had everyone there call him Anders.

Ferelden Circle spirit healers don't seem to be uncommon. Every Ferelden Circle mage you could recruit in DAO was one (Wynne, Anders and Finn). That's even made people speculate that spirit healer is the Fereden Circle's specialization like force mage is to the Kirwall circle.  If anything, the other circles want Ferelden mages.

And Gaider just said that Anders' family was from the Anderfels. His parents could have came to Ferelden before he was born.

Modifié par erilben, 19 mai 2011 - 08:46 .

[Amondra]

ipgd wrote...

Considering his accent, I highly suspect Anders's family moved to Ferelden before he was born. My family is "from" Scotland even though I, my mother and my grandparents were all born in America.

True, because I was born in America, but I still have a German accent, because my parents moved to the USA from Germany and speak mostly German.  Then oma moved in.  So if his parents came from the Anderfels it would be likely he kept the accent.  But after being away for so long, he would lose it. 

[Evilnor]

Amondra wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Considering his accent, I highly suspect Anders's family moved to Ferelden before he was born. My family is "from" Scotland even though I, my mother and my grandparents were all born in America.

True, because I was born in America, but I still have a German accent, because my parents moved to the USA from Germany and speak mostly German.  Then oma moved in.  So if his parents came from the Anderfels it would be likely he kept the accent.  But after being away for so long, he would lose it. 

I'm inclined to believe Anders would have still had a little bit of an accent when he was little just because he would have heard his parents pronouncing words around him, etc.  This sort of thing can happen even with American accents, too, i.e. it's possible to pick out some midwestern kid who was raised by their grandmother from Georgia or whatever, assuming you have a good enough ear for it.

Of course there's also the flipside of the coin where a kid just picks up the accent everyone around them uses instead of what their parents speak.  Even in that case, it's still likely the kid will pick up idioms and phrasings more like the parents use.

But yeah, accent dropped like a bad habit once the teasing starts (because kids are mean like that)

Also, Anders' parents could have traveled to Ferelden in the wake of the revolution spearheaded by Marric.  It probably wouldn't have taken much to get a plot of land for someone to farm or a shop for a skilled craftsman who was willing to come live in a country in the wake of war, no matter the class.  With all the implied political infighting in the Anderfels, it wouldn't be inconcievable that even nobles would want to get as far away as possible, even if they had to humble themselves to do so.

Edit: I also consider it likely that Anders' real name is irrelevant, considering he clearly doesn't identify himself by it.  His hate for his family (or at least his father) is probably on par with his hate of the templars.  That being said, my personal favorite "real" name for him is Sparklefingers McGuffin.  (not German-ish, I know, but I couldn't resist)

also: "von" implies a noble heritage, just fyi

Modifié par Evilnor, 19 mai 2011 - 09:13 .

[DAYtheELF]

Evilnor wrote...

 I also consider it likely that Anders' real name is irrelevant

I agree, but it's still fun to guess about it!  Oh dear, I hope ot wasn't Earl.  SHUDDER.  I loathe that name.

[kromify]

i wonder if bioware even has a real name for him that they haven't told us; or if it is only and always was just anders

[DAYtheELF]

Y'know... Anders was pretty open about the high level of promiscuity his past... Do you guys think there are any little anders and anderettes running about?

[Evilnor]

DAYtheELF wrote...

Y'know... Anders was pretty open about the high level of promiscuity his past... Do you guys think there are any little anders and anderettes running about?

If you have conversations with Wynne in DA:O regarding that stuff, she mentions that the mages have ways of contraception, but she apparently slipped up once . . .

Besides, I honestly don't think Anders would have it in him to leave fatherless children all over the place, even before he had his "freedom" with the Wardens.  He'd probably make full use of whatever contraceptive spells or poultices/potions/etc. he had at his disposal.

Modifié par Evilnor, 19 mai 2011 - 09:35 .

[SurelyForth]

DAYtheELF wrote...

Y'know... Anders was pretty open about the high level of promiscuity his past... Do you guys think there are any little anders and anderettes running about?

I doubt it. I imagine that, in the Circle, they take a lot of precautions with that sort of thing and I doubt he'd want to risk it on his escapes. Nothing would tie him down/hold him back like an unwanted baby. 

[DAYtheELF]

Evilnor wrote...

DAYtheELF wrote...

Y'know... Anders was pretty open about the high level of promiscuity his past... Do you guys think there are any little anders and anderettes running about?

If you have conversations with Wynne in DA:O regarding that stuff, she mentions that the mages have ways of contraception, but she apparently slipped up once . . .

Besides, I honestly don't think Anders would have it in him to leave fatherless children all over the place, even before he had his "freedom" with the Wardens.  He'd probably make full use of whatever contraceptive spells or poultices/potions/etc. he had at his disposal.

Well, yes, in the Circle.  But he escaped many times and I am sure he enjoyed himself then... He also wasn't super mature I would bet, especially on his earlier escapes.  Hmmm

Modifié par DAYtheELF, 19 mai 2011 - 09:44 .

[Mekarah]

SurelyForth wrote...

DAYtheELF wrote...

Y'know... Anders was pretty open about the high level of promiscuity his past... Do you guys think there are any little anders and anderettes running about?

I doubt it. I imagine that, in the Circle, they take a lot of precautions with that sort of thing and I doubt he'd want to risk it on his escapes. Nothing would tie him down/hold him back like an unwanted baby. 

To play devil's advocate, plenty of one night stands don't ever really speak again. He could just not know.

But I agree that I doubt, if he knew, that he could just leave them to be little bastards. He may have been a manwh*re, but he's not a douchebag.

ETA: Of course, on further thought. he did tend to run from his problems, rather than face them head on...

Modifié par Mekarah, 19 mai 2011 - 09:48 .

[Evilnor]

Even in spite of my argument, it makes for comedy gold if he wasn't as careful as I imagine . . .

[DAYtheELF]

I can just imagine the scene in a tavern in Ferelden in 10 years..

Hawke nudges Anders to point out the backside of some hot 20-something year old guy.  The guy turns around and looks like the spitting image of Anders back-in-the-day.

Hawke: Wha!?
Anders: Uh-oh!  (darts outside)

Modifié par DAYtheELF, 19 mai 2011 - 10:19 .

[AquilaChrysaetos86]

Aww, I can't believe I missed a milestone page again! Belated happy 1600!

Evilnor wrote...
I'm inclined to believe Anders would have still had a little bit of an accent when he was little just because he would have heard his parents pronouncing words around him, etc.  This sort of thing can happen even with American accents, too, i.e. it's possible to pick out some midwestern kid who was raised by their grandmother from Georgia or whatever, assuming you have a good enough ear for it.
But yeah, accent dropped like a bad habit once the teasing starts (because kids are mean like that)

Edit: I also consider it likely that Anders' real name is irrelevant, considering he clearly doesn't identify himself by it.  His hate for his family (or at least his father) is probably on par with his hate of the templars.  That being said, my personal favorite "real" name for him is Sparklefingers McGuffin.  (not German-ish, I know, but I couldn't resist)

I love this sort of discussion! *cough*I've actually written stuff about this which will make its way to the internet soon.*cough* Definately obsessed.

Just to add to this, kids do tend to talk like their parents, at least until they start mixing with other children. It's not inconceivable he had a little bit of an accent. And it's possible to drop an accent later in life too. I know mine changed while I was living in Oxford, and I had a friend from Liverpool who had a completely different accent at Uni than at home.
Edit: Case in point: John Barrowman's 'Real' Voice


I also think his birth/original/real name is irrelevant. But for some reason I think it'd be Thomas (obviously with a german accent.  ) Although Frederick Sparklefingers is an acceptable alternative!

Modifié par AquilaChrysaetos86, 19 mai 2011 - 10:36 .

[Evilnor]

Yeah, my mom's an interesting case of accent dropping/pick-up as well. She grew up on Long Island, NY, then moved to Tennessee when she was around 16. Within days, she was picking up the accent, but my grandmother would have none of it, so she's had a non-accent/midwest-ish accent ever since. She also has to watch herself when speaking to people with distinctive accents, too, because sometimes she'll start picking up their accent without realizing it (and if they do, they might think she's mocking them). *shrug* some people have good ears like that. Anyway, I've always been interested in accents and linguistics, so I'll stop boring you guys now

[highcastle]

DAYtheELF wrote...

Evilnor wrote...

DAYtheELF wrote...

Y'know... Anders was pretty open about the high level of promiscuity his past... Do you guys think there are any little anders and anderettes running about?

If you have conversations with Wynne in DA:O regarding that stuff, she mentions that the mages have ways of contraception, but she apparently slipped up once . . .

Besides, I honestly don't think Anders would have it in him to leave fatherless children all over the place, even before he had his "freedom" with the Wardens.  He'd probably make full use of whatever contraceptive spells or poultices/potions/etc. he had at his disposal.

Well, yes, in the Circle.  But he escaped many times and I am sure he enjoyed himself then... He also wasn't super mature I would bet, especially on his earlier escapes.  Hmmm

While this may be true, I really hope the devs don't take us there. Ugh, I'm just so not into kids. As I've said before (often, and loudly), I've officially reached that age where my friends are settling down and having kids, so I get the same questions from all of them: "When are you getting married? Don't you want a family?" I really don't need my form of escapism pressuring me into children, either.

That, plus I don't see Anders as interested in having kids. Remember, his being snatched away from his own family left quite an impression on him. I don't think he'd be interested in cursing a child with his fate. At least not at that point. 

But my views on this matter tend to be highly selfish. I'm aware of this, and I'm okay with it.

[DAYtheELF]

highcastle wrote...

While this may be true, I really hope the devs don't take us there. Ugh, I'm just so not into kids. As I've said before (often, and loudly), I've officially reached that age where my friends are settling down and having kids, so I get the same questions from all of them: "When are you getting married? Don't you want a family?" I really don't need my form of escapism pressuring me into children, either.

Off-topic, but I COMEPLETLY agree highcastle.  I'm 27 and it seems these days my facebook page is just smothered with people posting pics of their ugly spawn.  Luckily, my husband and I established a LONG time ago that we will never ever have children and have taken steps to ensure that it cant possibly happen.  So glad I dont have anyone trying to pressure us into it.  I strongly believe that people should not breed in general, and esp not if they arent completely ready and totally sure they want it...
/rant


Anyways, I am a fan in fiction of past mistakes coming back to bite one in the arse.  That's how I see the idea of any ill-begotten spawn from Anders...

Modifié par DAYtheELF, 19 mai 2011 - 11:09 .

[legbamel]

Batteries wrote...

DAYtheELF wrote...

DAYtheELF wrote...
So, new topic: We know that Anders is not his real name. Anyone hazard a guess on what his real name is?

We dont know much about the Anderfels, but it seems to have a generally Visgoth/ German base.  Therefore, I would assume Anders' real name is somewhat germanic sounding.  Hmm.  Here's some info on the Anderfels:
http://dragonage.wik.../wiki/Anderfels

Now, the Anderfels are pretty far away from Ferelden.  How did Anders get in a Ferelden Circle?

He moved to Ferelden as a child or was born there. Gaider said his family was from there, not that he was.

Cue my secret DA2 Anders theme song.  I picture him singing this with his lute in hand.  (Not THAT lute, sickos.  The one by Hawke's fireplace that he stole so he could think about her and express his pain in song.)

[SurelyForth]

I love this image:



by Lillymon

[Evilnor]

Yeah, I definitely think that one issue Bioware doesn't want to touch is abortion/pro-choice/always life thing, cuz you know if there was the option to get your main character or an NPC pregnant, they'd have to give you that choice.  My god, that would be messed up.

anyway, here's a funny comic to distract from a serious debate.

[DAYtheELF]

Evilnor wrote...


anyway, here's a funny comic to distract from a serious debate.
*snips comic*

HAHAHHAHAAAA!!!! 

[Evilnor]

I'm actually a little surprised there aren't more Harry Potter/Dragon Age crossovers on Deviantart. Or at least more good ones. Call me crazy.

[AquilaChrysaetos86]

Evilnor wrote...
Yeah, my mom's an interesting case of accent dropping/pick-up as well. She grew up on Long Island, NY, then moved to Tennessee when she was around 16. Within days, she was picking up the accent, but my grandmother would have none of it, so she's had a non-accent/midwest-ish accent ever since. She also has to watch herself when speaking to people with distinctive accents, too, because sometimes she'll start picking up their accent without realizing it (and if they do, they might think she's mocking them). *shrug* some people have good ears like that. Anyway, I've always been interested in accents and linguistics, so I'll stop boring you guys now

Ah, I can be a bit like that, but only because I listen really hard to people's accents.
*whisper*Don't worry, I'm a linguistics graduate. I love all this stuff!

highcastle wrote...

DAYtheELF wrote...

Y'know...
Anders was pretty open about the high level of promiscuity his past...
Do you guys think there are any little anders and anderettes running
about?

While this may be true, I really hope the devs don't take us there. Ugh, I'm just so not into kids. As I've said before (often, and loudly), I've officially reached that age where my friends are settling down and having kids, so I get the same questions from all of them: "When are you getting married? Don't you want a family?" I really don't need my form of escapism pressuring me into children, either.

That, plus I don't see Anders as interested in having kids. Remember, his being snatched away from his own family left quite an impression on him. I don't think he'd be interested in cursing a child with his fate. At least not at that point. 

But my views on this matter tend to be highly selfish. I'm aware of this, and I'm okay with it.

I wouldn't want this for Anders specifically just from a story point of view (although it might make interesting fanfic), but it could be pretty interesting for a future companion.

I'm kind of the opposite - love kids, but will likely be adopting as a single parent. Apparently I wasn't made for an easy life.
So, perhaps my views are influencing me too, but I got the impression children (and a family) is probably something he would want, but just thought he'd never have. There's the line he says to f!Hawke at the Gallows about 'our children' which could be interpreted in a personal, as well as general, sense. Particularly as part of his wanting mage freedom stems from his own desire for a 'normal life'.
Again, just my opinion though.

Edit: Lol, I love that comic!

Modifié par AquilaChrysaetos86, 19 mai 2011 - 11:52 .

[leggywillow]

DAYtheELF wrote...

Y'know... Anders was pretty open about the high level of promiscuity his past... Do you guys think there are any little anders and anderettes running about?

The next DLC will take place between Acts 2 and 3 and be about Namaya showing up looking for child support money.

[SurelyForth]

leggywillow wrote...

DAYtheELF wrote...

Y'know... Anders was pretty open about the high level of promiscuity his past... Do you guys think there are any little anders and anderettes running about?

The next DLC will take place between Acts 2 and 3 and be about Namaya showing up looking for child support money.

I would diiiiiie. And then write BW a love letter for their ability to troll their Anders fanbase at so many levels.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 20 mai 2011 - 12:42 .

[Melca36]

leggywillow wrote...

DAYtheELF wrote...

Y'know... Anders was pretty open about the high level of promiscuity his past... Do you guys think there are any little anders and anderettes running about?

The next DLC will take place between Acts 2 and 3 and be about Namaya showing up looking for child support money.

And when people discover he actually slept with Namaya...this will be their reaction....