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Guest_ElleMullineux_*
Mekarah wrote...
DAYtheELF wrote...
ElleMullineux wrote...
Sialater wrote...
I don't even bother catching up period any more.
Awwwwwh, I just like to kick myself that all the meaty debates happen when I'm in bed. <_< Plus it gives me something to read in the office before I decide I should be doing paid work.
^This
QFT. What else will I do whilst pretending to work? Actually WORK? Come on now.
YamiSnuffles wrote...
Because I do have too much free time...
Making ridiculous Anders images makes me forget for a time that I still have no real employment. >_>
Guest_ElleMullineux_*
YamiSnuffles wrote...
Because I do have too much free time...
Making ridiculous Anders images makes me forget for a time that I still have no real employment. >_>
EDIT: Oh Maker, what I thing to have on top. Quick! Someone say something intelligent to counteract this!
Modifié par DAYtheELF, 23 mai 2011 - 09:58 .
YamiSnuffles wrote...
Because I do have too much free time...
Making ridiculous Anders images makes me forget for a time that I still have no real employment. >_>
EDIT: Oh Maker, what I thing to have on top. Quick! Someone say something intelligent to counteract this!
The staff made me lol (poor hubby is trying to sleep next door, oh well)!DAYtheELF wrote...
On a side note, I am so glad this thread exists. I dont know anyone IRL who is as obsessed about DA and Anders as I. I have friends who live on the other side of the US who have played DA and we chat about it on facebook a bit (they are the ones who got me to play it in the first place), but it's not the same as the obsession we share here.
Sigh, though it would ne nice to get some of my local friends addicted. I am sure many hijinks would ensue....
Now, my husband is somewhat addicted because he has watched me play for hours, but he loathes Anders so we cant talk about it lest we fight...
YamiSnuffles wrote...
Because I do have too much free time...
Making ridiculous Anders images makes me forget for a time that I still have no real employment. >_>
EDIT: Oh Maker, what I thing to have on top. Quick! Someone say something intelligent to counteract this!
purplecookie wrote...
DAYtheELF wrote...
On a side note, I am so glad this thread exists. I dont know anyone IRL who is as obsessed about DA and Anders as I. I have friends who live on the other side of the US who have played DA and we chat about it on facebook a bit (they are the ones who got me to play it in the first place), but it's not the same as the obsession we share here.
Sigh, though it would ne nice to get some of my local friends addicted. I am sure many hijinks would ensue....
Now, my husband is somewhat addicted because he has watched me play for hours, but he loathes Anders so we cant talk about it lest we fight...
I don't post very often in here (shy gal) but I do love it here, it's awesome on so many wonderful levels. Besides my husband I'm the only one I know who's played DA2 so definitely no opportunities to engage in and/or read Anders-related discussion let alone partake in a bit of LI obsession. Anders thread you are a bright light on the BSN
...A naked chicken staff. Just when I thought this thread couldn't make me laugh any harder. Oh man, I think I broke a rib. 
DAYtheELF wrote...
So, many would probably agree that it was the influence of Justice within Anders that led him to take the drastic measure to blow up the Chantry at the end of DA2 (one can debate just how much of the plan belonged to Anders or Justice).
However, we know from DAA and such that Anders was probably a wee-bit unstable before the merger (ie: being forced into the circle, seeing the deprivations of the circle, being in solitary confinement for a YEAR, etc). His experiences as a Warden were also pretty horrible (Broodmother *shudder*). So, it's safe to say that our beloved wasn't the sanest before getting it on with the glowy blue one.
So, what if Anders and Justice never merged, but instead stayed friends in separate bodies? In DAA Justice was already trying to convince Anders he needed to do something to help all mages. Obviously, he did a good job convincing Anders as that was part of the reason Anders agreed to merge with him. Without the merger, but with Justice along as a friend and co-conspirator, do you think Anders would have still blown up the chantry?
YamiSnuffles wrote...
Because I do have too much free time...
Making ridiculous Anders images makes me forget for a time that I still have no real employment. >_>
EDIT: Oh Maker, what I thing to have on top. Quick! Someone say something intelligent to counteract this!
DAYtheELF wrote...
Without the merger, but with Justice along as a friend and co-conspirator, do you think Anders would have still blown up the chantry?
YamiSnuffles wrote...
DAYtheELF wrote...
Without the merger, but with Justice along as a friend and co-conspirator, do you think Anders would have still blown up the chantry?
It kind of depends. If he still ended up as Hawke's really close friend or lover, then he might not. Unless Hawke was a bit militant/pro-revolution, Anders could probably be dissuaded from bombing the Chantry. Considering Hawke can change his mind on it even with Justice in his brain and everything, I think a more independent Anders could definitely be convinced there was a better way to do things.
Modifié par AerdrieDarkmoon, 23 mai 2011 - 10:52 .
Don't forget that Justice outside of Anders might not necessarily have chosen to blow the chantry up either. He was changed by the merger just as Anders was.Amondra wrote...
YamiSnuffles wrote...
DAYtheELF wrote...
Without the merger, but with Justice along as a friend and co-conspirator, do you think Anders would have still blown up the chantry?
It kind of depends. If he still ended up as Hawke's really close friend or lover, then he might not. Unless Hawke was a bit militant/pro-revolution, Anders could probably be dissuaded from bombing the Chantry. Considering Hawke can change his mind on it even with Justice in his brain and everything, I think a more independent Anders could definitely be convinced there was a better way to do things.
This is assuming he even would have left the Wardens or even bothering taking up the cause, because pre Justice Anders was "all about me" guy.
But if he did. I think his already growing hate for the Chantry would have boiled over with the act 2 quest. I personally think that is when he started thinking he was going to do something big like that. Even if he was acting alone, I could see him going with Hawke and them telling them what was up and all they get is "aww poor Templar" type reactions. I could still see him doing it.
I mean he has suffered at their hands sort of as it stands and now here in Kirkwall it is a daily thing and no one speaks out?
He might not have blowen up the Chantry, he might have done the Templar quarters or Meredeths office, but I still see him doing something dramatic to make it stop, even if he only meant it for Kirkwall and not a revolution.
Frishmet wrote...
Don't forget that Justice outside of Anders might not necessarily have chosen to blow the chantry up either. He was changed by the merger just as Anders was.Amondra wrote...
YamiSnuffles wrote...
DAYtheELF wrote...
Without the merger, but with Justice along as a friend and co-conspirator, do you think Anders would have still blown up the chantry?
It kind of depends. If he still ended up as Hawke's really close friend or lover, then he might not. Unless Hawke was a bit militant/pro-revolution, Anders could probably be dissuaded from bombing the Chantry. Considering Hawke can change his mind on it even with Justice in his brain and everything, I think a more independent Anders could definitely be convinced there was a better way to do things.
This is assuming he even would have left the Wardens or even bothering taking up the cause, because pre Justice Anders was "all about me" guy.
But if he did. I think his already growing hate for the Chantry would have boiled over with the act 2 quest. I personally think that is when he started thinking he was going to do something big like that. Even if he was acting alone, I could see him going with Hawke and them telling them what was up and all they get is "aww poor Templar" type reactions. I could still see him doing it.
I mean he has suffered at their hands sort of as it stands and now here in Kirkwall it is a daily thing and no one speaks out?
He might not have blowen up the Chantry, he might have done the Templar quarters or Meredeths office, but I still see him doing something dramatic to make it stop, even if he only meant it for Kirkwall and not a revolution.
The bolded in particular. In considering whether either Justice or Anders would have carried out the act of bombing the chantry... It's my interpretation (and probably incorrect lol) that the merger led to an attentional shift in Justice. It was my impression in DA:A that Justice's focus was very much on protecting those who had been wronged (I'm thinking specifically of the trip to the Fade) or just generally innocent; in DA2 with Anders's anger his focus is more on those who have done the wrongdoing rather than those 'innocents' who have been targeted (and of course that's perfectly encapsulated by the Justice/Vengeance dichotomy) and hence wanted to instigate a war that would see mages have to fight back against the templar oppression. As such, I think without the merger, neither party would have taken the drastic action of blowing up the chantry. I feel as though Justice's desire to protect and defend would not see him want to blow up a religious building that contained people not directly the cause of the perceived injustices against mages. I think instead similar to what Amondra says he would have tried to lead a revolt against the Kirkwall Circle Templars to see the mages there be freed. I think Anders would have been reluctant to involve himself in something at even that smaller level initially (since he demonstrated certain reluctance in DA:A) but ultimately he would stay to fight too. If any of that makes sense, I do waffle!Amondra wrote...
YamiSnuffles wrote...
DAYtheELF wrote...
Without the merger, but with Justice along as a friend and co-conspirator, do you think Anders would have still blown up the chantry?
It kind of depends. If he still ended up as Hawke's really close friend or lover, then he might not. Unless Hawke was a bit militant/pro-revolution, Anders could probably be dissuaded from bombing the Chantry. Considering Hawke can change his mind on it even with Justice in his brain and everything, I think a more independent Anders could definitely be convinced there was a better way to do things.
This is assuming he even would have left the Wardens or even bothering taking up the cause, because pre Justice Anders was "all about me" guy.
But if he did. I think his already growing hate for the Chantry would have boiled over with the act 2 quest. I personally think that is when he started thinking he was going to do something big like that. Even if he was acting alone, I could see him going with Hawke and them telling them what was up and all they get is "aww poor Templar" type reactions. I could still see him doing it.
I mean he has suffered at their hands sort of as it stands and now here in Kirkwall it is a daily thing and no one speaks out?
He might not have blowen up the Chantry, he might have done the Templar quarters or Meredeths office, but I still see him doing something dramatic to make it stop, even if he only meant it for Kirkwall and not a revolution.
Again, just my interpretation but long answer short, no, I don't think the chantry would have met the same end had Justice and Anders not merged.
purplecookie wrote...
The bolded in particular. In considering whether either Justice or Anders would have carried out the act of bombing the chantry... It's my interpretation (and probably incorrect lol) that the merger led to an attentional shift in Justice. It was my impression in DA:A that Justice's focus was very much on protecting those who had been wronged (I'm thinking specifically of the trip to the Fade) or just generally innocent; in DA2 with Anders's anger his focus is more on those who have done the wrongdoing rather than those 'innocents' who have been targeted (and of course that's perfectly encapsulated by the Justice/Vengeance dichotomy) and hence wanted to instigate a war that would see mages have to fight back against the templar oppression. As such, I think without the merger, neither party would have taken the drastic action of blowing up the chantry. I feel as though Justice's desire to protect and defend would not see him want to blow up a religious building that contained people not directly the cause of the perceived injustices against mages. I think instead similar to what Amondra says he would have tried to lead a revolt against the Kirkwall Circle Templars to see the mages there be freed. I think Anders would have been reluctant to involve himself in something at even that smaller level initially (since he demonstrated certain reluctance in DA:A) but ultimately he would stay to fight too. If any of that makes sense, I do waffle!Amondra wrote...
YamiSnuffles wrote...
DAYtheELF wrote...
Without the merger, but with Justice along as a friend and co-conspirator, do you think Anders would have still blown up the chantry?
It kind of depends. If he still ended up as Hawke's really close friend or lover, then he might not. Unless Hawke was a bit militant/pro-revolution, Anders could probably be dissuaded from bombing the Chantry. Considering Hawke can change his mind on it even with Justice in his brain and everything, I think a more independent Anders could definitely be convinced there was a better way to do things.
This is assuming he even would have left the Wardens or even bothering taking up the cause, because pre Justice Anders was "all about me" guy.
But if he did. I think his already growing hate for the Chantry would have boiled over with the act 2 quest. I personally think that is when he started thinking he was going to do something big like that. Even if he was acting alone, I could see him going with Hawke and them telling them what was up and all they get is "aww poor Templar" type reactions. I could still see him doing it.
I mean he has suffered at their hands sort of as it stands and now here in Kirkwall it is a daily thing and no one speaks out?
He might not have blowen up the Chantry, he might have done the Templar quarters or Meredeths office, but I still see him doing something dramatic to make it stop, even if he only meant it for Kirkwall and not a revolution.
Pffff, there's no challenge to stealing panties that were thrown away. He takes them while his victim sleeps.Kawamura wrote...
Wandering in to prove I'm not dead: just doing grad ceremonies andflunkingstudying for finals.
Let's make this ontopic. Uh. Anders likes cats and discarded panties.
ipgd wrote...
Pffff, there's no challenge to stealing panties that were thrown away. He takes them while his victim sleeps.Kawamura wrote...
Wandering in to prove I'm not dead: just doing grad ceremonies andflunkingstudying for finals.
Let's make this ontopic. Uh. Anders likes cats and discarded panties.
ipgd wrote...
Pffff, there's no challenge to stealing panties that were thrown away. He takes them while his victim sleeps.Kawamura wrote...
Wandering in to prove I'm not dead: just doing grad ceremonies andflunkingstudying for finals.
Let's make this ontopic. Uh. Anders likes cats and discarded panties.
SurelyForth wrote...
ipgd wrote...
Pffff, there's no challenge to stealing panties that were thrown away. He takes them while his victim sleeps.Kawamura wrote...
Wandering in to prove I'm not dead: just doing grad ceremonies andflunkingstudying for finals.
Let's make this ontopic. Uh. Anders likes cats and discarded panties.
Hell, he and Isabela have turned it into a game. He's to the point where he can take them off with his teeth and slap another pair on without Hawke ever waking up.
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