YamiSnuffles wrote...
While I love glasses!Anders, Hipster Glasses Garrus will always hold a special place in my heart.
And I don't know who drew it, but this is still totally my favorite glasses!Anders ever:
Modifié par SurelyForth, 26 mai 2011 - 12:49 .
highcastle wrote...
Okay I must be reading too much slash fic because horn rimmed Anders sounds dirtier than horny Anders.
Amondra wrote...
This might seem like a stupid question. But I am a bit confused. Anders ran from the Wardens, but he at the core still a Warden yes? So when Meredeth threatens him isn't hollow, because isn't he outside Chantry control now? Even if he isn't at a Warden outpost or anything of that nature.
Sialater wrote...
Amondra wrote...
This might seem like a stupid question. But I am a bit confused. Anders ran from the Wardens, but he at the core still a Warden yes? So when Meredeth threatens him isn't hollow, because isn't he outside Chantry control now? Even if he isn't at a Warden outpost or anything of that nature.
That may be the reason she doesn't kill him, you know. Even in her insanity, he's still legally untouchable.
And Wardens are always Wardens. They only really care what their individual members do during a Blight, I'd guess, when it's all hands on deck.
LT123 wrote...
@Amondra Well, there's not an awesome Warden-Commander to back him up, like he had when Rylock tried something similar in Awakening. And like you said, there doesn't seem to be any other Wardens around. She's the Knight Commander and the real power in the city, so she would probably have Anders dragged off if not for Hawke.
Modifié par Amondra, 26 mai 2011 - 01:39 .
Amondra wrote...
Sialater wrote...
Amondra wrote...
This might seem like a stupid question. But I am a bit confused. Anders ran from the Wardens, but he at the core still a Warden yes? So when Meredeth threatens him isn't hollow, because isn't he outside Chantry control now? Even if he isn't at a Warden outpost or anything of that nature.
That may be the reason she doesn't kill him, you know. Even in her insanity, he's still legally untouchable.
And Wardens are always Wardens. They only really care what their individual members do during a Blight, I'd guess, when it's all hands on deck.
Thats what I thought too, but Anders acts like he is still an apostate, also when he lashes out at her she refers that it is Hawke's influence keeping him safe not the fact he is a Warden. Then again they may not know he is a Warden.
LOL I could see the Nate quest in that case, him coming there to bail Anders ass out.
Sialater wrote...
Amondra wrote...
Sialater wrote...
Amondra wrote...
This might seem like a stupid question. But I am a bit confused. Anders ran from the Wardens, but he at the core still a Warden yes? So when Meredeth threatens him isn't hollow, because isn't he outside Chantry control now? Even if he isn't at a Warden outpost or anything of that nature.
That may be the reason she doesn't kill him, you know. Even in her insanity, he's still legally untouchable.
And Wardens are always Wardens. They only really care what their individual members do during a Blight, I'd guess, when it's all hands on deck.
Thats what I thought too, but Anders acts like he is still an apostate, also when he lashes out at her she refers that it is Hawke's influence keeping him safe not the fact he is a Warden. Then again they may not know he is a Warden.
LOL I could see the Nate quest in that case, him coming there to bail Anders ass out.
Maybe Nate reminding him he's there to bail him out?
LT123 wrote...
@Amondra Well, there's not an awesome Warden-Commander to back him up, like he had when Rylock tried something similar in Awakening. And like you said, there doesn't seem to be any other Wardens around. She's the Knight Commander and the real power in the city, so she would probably have Anders dragged off if not for Hawke.
SmilingDeceit wrote...
LT123 wrote...
@Amondra Well, there's not an awesome Warden-Commander to back him up, like he had when Rylock tried something similar in Awakening. And like you said, there doesn't seem to be any other Wardens around. She's the Knight Commander and the real power in the city, so she would probably have Anders dragged off if not for Hawke.
Anders being a Warden didn't actually stop Rylock from trying to capture him, even after your WC used the Right of Conscription on him in front of her AND Ferelden's King/Queen (depending on your playthrough.)
Even after this fact, she still tried to capture him later on. So I doubt him being a single Warden in Kirkwall would stop Meredith either. Somehow I'm sensing Templars don't really give a flying nug about the Warden title, once they catch scent of "a dangerous apostate"
Not that Anders isn't one -cause he is, and I love him for it. And there's also the fact that I'mprobablybiased from being so deep in the pro-mage/death-to-templars! boat.
SmilingDeceit wrote...
LT123 wrote...
@Amondra Well, there's not an awesome Warden-Commander to back him up, like he had when Rylock tried something similar in Awakening. And like you said, there doesn't seem to be any other Wardens around. She's the Knight Commander and the real power in the city, so she would probably have Anders dragged off if not for Hawke.
Anders being a Warden didn't actually stop Rylock from trying to capture him, even after your WC used the Right of Conscription on him in front of her AND Ferelden's King/Queen (depending on your playthrough.)
Even after this fact, she still tried to capture him later on. So I doubt him being a single Warden in Kirkwall would stop Meredith either. Somehow I'm sensing Templars don't really give a flying nug about the Warden title, once they catch scent of "a dangerous apostate"
Not that Anders isn't one -cause he is, and I love him for it. And there's also the fact that I'mprobablybiased from being so deep in the pro-mage/death-to-templars! boat.
Modifié par LT123, 26 mai 2011 - 02:18 .
LT123 wrote...
Yeah, I was specifically referring to the WC taking down Rylock after she tries to catch him the second time-wasn't clear, sorry.
Although if you turn him in, he does get in a nice biting comment about how he would have fought for you.
Ryzaki wrote...
I'm pretty sure wardens are only protected by the power the leaders of the state/residence they're in give them. Meredith wouldn't give the Wardens enough power to ignore an act of assassination involving the Grand Cleric. Especially not since Anders wasn't working for the Wardens with that action.
Ryzaki wrote...
I'm pretty sure wardens are only protected by the power the leaders of the state/residence they're in give them. Meredith wouldn't give the Wardens enough power to ignore an act of assassination involving the Grand Cleric. Especially not since Anders wasn't working for the Wardens with that action.
Modifié par SurelyForth, 26 mai 2011 - 02:33 .
Gah. You're right-I had forgotten about the dead templars and was thinking it was just because he was an apostate.Amondra wrote...
LT123 wrote...
Yeah, I was specifically referring to the WC taking down Rylock after she tries to catch him the second time-wasn't clear, sorry.
Although if you turn him in, he does get in a nice biting comment about how he would have fought for you.
Yes but wasn't that because she swore up and down that he killed those Templars so instead of just dragging him back should kill him? Also he said the Chantry overrides the crown, but it didn't sound like she had any backing, just her wanting to carry out what she thought was justice.
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SurelyForth wrote...
Duncan conscripted Alistair from beneath the Grand Cleric. I was under the impression that the Wardens are above everyone, but they can pick and choose their fights, and they do to avoid situations like the one in Ferelden where they weren't allowed after the drama between Sophia Dryden/King Arland.
So if a high-ranking Warden was around to intervene, they'd probably be able to appeal to the First Warden at the very least. He'd probably say something along the lines of "Are you ****ing kidding me with this ****? I'm not touching him with a ten-foot pole." Not because it wouldn't be within his rights, but because of political (and probably personal) reasons.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 mai 2011 - 02:45 .
LT123 wrote...
Gah. You're right-I had forgotten about the dead templars and was thinking it was just because he was an apostate.Amondra wrote...
LT123 wrote...
Yeah, I was specifically referring to the WC taking down Rylock after she tries to catch him the second time-wasn't clear, sorry.
Although if you turn him in, he does get in a nice biting comment about how he would have fought for you.
Yes but wasn't that because she swore up and down that he killed those Templars so instead of just dragging him back should kill him? Also he said the Chantry overrides the crown, but it didn't sound like she had any backing, just her wanting to carry out what she thought was justice.
And yeah, I doubt the Crown would back her up. Especially after allowing Anders' conscription in the first place.
Ryzaki wrote...
SurelyForth wrote...
Duncan conscripted Alistair from beneath the Grand Cleric. I was under the impression that the Wardens are above everyone, but they can pick and choose their fights, and they do to avoid situations like the one in Ferelden where they weren't allowed after the drama between Sophia Dryden/King Arland.
Duncan got away with that because Cailan gave the Wardens plenty of rights and freedom. If you playthe HN origin Duncan himself says they can'tdo that too often or they'll test people's patience and get themselves booted out. There are certain boundaries they can't cross. Defending someone who kille dthe Grand Cleric? I can defintely see that as one of those things.So if a high-ranking Warden was around to intervene, they'd probably be able to appeal to the First Warden at the very least. He'd probably say something along the lines of "Are you ****ing kidding me with this ****? I'm not touching him with a ten-foot pole." Not because it wouldn't be within his rights, but because of political (and probably personal) reasons.
Again I doubt it. For a minor crime like theft or normal murder? Sure. But assassination of someone in a position of high political power that was beloved by the people? I don't see it happening.
His rights are limited *by* politics. The Wardens rights aren't ordained by god. They're given by the people to them. It's a privilage not a right.
Amondra wrote...
I think she was saying they could try but the First Warden would not be amused, or want to help, but I am sure his face would look like this:
Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 mai 2011 - 03:20 .
Ryzaki wrote...
His rights are limited *by* politics. The Wardens rights aren't ordained by god. They're given by the people to them. It's a privilage not a right. (well technically it *is* a right but one that can be taken away if the mood strikes).
Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 26 mai 2011 - 03:25 .
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
His rights are limited *by* politics. The Wardens rights aren't ordained by god. They're given by the people to them. It's a privilage not a right. (well technically it *is* a right but one that can be taken away if the mood strikes).
De Jure, the Right is...a right that all signataries are obligated to abide by (because even kings can be conscripted apparently).
De facto, it's a privilege granted by states and could be taken at any given moment. And they are limited by politics and the fact that they can't afford to ****** off everyone.
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