Mistress Tasharra wrote...
See, the thing is I just don't understand the statement of, 'Well if it's not mentioned it didn't happen." That makes no sense to me.
Whether or not Anders mentions that he was with Karl doesn't change the fact that it occured. Anders never comes out and states that he only likes women, only likes men, or evens states that he likes both.
In fact, I believe the exact quote is, 'Why would you shy away from loving someone just because they're like you.'
To me, this states that it doesn't matter to him at all, quite franky, because he believes love is not restricted to a person's sex, and that's a beautiful notion.
To me, that's like saying, 'Well, because Morrigan never told me of her mother's grimoire, it doesn't exist' even though it does. XD
Gaider states that Anders and Karl were together. This is true. Whether or not you want to throw labels on it is up too you.
Calling Anders straight doesn't make sense to me. Neither does calling him gay or bisexual. He makes a point of saying the body doesn't matter. I don't see how that personality trait of his would just magically dissapear depending on what sex Hawke is.
*Shrugs*
Even if Karl is cannon, how Anders
currently feels about that experience may differ based on Hawke's gender. If Anders is feeling attracted to male Hawke, it may color his recollections of Karl (especially since, as people in this thread have pointed out, they do resemble each other somewhat.) If he's attracted to female Hawke, memories of Karl might not trigger a similar emotional reaction, because they don't remind him of each other. I'm saying that one sexual experience doesn't define your sexuality. Anders could be a straight guy who experimented in his youth but later found out that he generally preferred girls (as some feel is implied by most of his Awakening dialogue), or he could be truly bi or pansexual. (I am not trying to put forth an interpretation I believe is correct, rather I'm trying to describe how a person could believe that several possible interpretations might be correct). I think that his love for Hawke may be what determines how he views his own sexuality. If he's only been attracted to women for the past ten years, and Hawke doesn't break that pattern, he may consider himself straight at this point. We don't have enough information about his sexual history, and it is deliberately left open to interpretation.
I know some straight people who have had lovers of the same gender in the past, when they were a little bi-curious (Or maybe a little
bi-furious), but who ultimately determined they were straight (or who "round up to straight," as Dan Savage puts it). That's each individual person's choice.
It's been stated multiple times by Gaider himself that
what we want to conclude from the evidence we're given is entirely up to us, and that no specific labels have been officially assigned. If you describe everything we know about Anders' pre-Hawke sexual history to me without context, I wouldn't be able to say with any certainty where I'd put him on the continuum. People with more nuanced views of sexuality can place him anywhere on the contiuum where someone who has had (1+x) male partners and (1+x) female partners might land. You can assume whatever values for x you'd like.
I just don't think that having one male lover automatically makes you bi or pansexual. I also don't think being open to loving someone regardless of gender automatically makes you pansexual. I'm open to the idea of loving someone of any gender, but so far I've pretty much mainly fallen for boys, so I currently round up to straight.
If you feel that having at least one male lover and being open to all relationships makes someone pansexual, then you're free to interpret it that way. Good for you! But not everyone has to look at that dataset and reach the same conclusions. I know people who fit that description and do not consider themselves bi or pansexual in their own eyes, so I don't automatically assign that label to anyone with those qualifications. That may be what Gaider means by "open to interpretation"; that different people can draw different conclusions from the same data. Allowing other people to draw their own conclusions doesn't invalidate or weaken yours in any way.
Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 27 mai 2011 - 11:37 .
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I mean...Anders could've run away after being arrested. Wouldn't be the first time. 
