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[Mistress Tasharra]

Amondra wrote...

 I almost died from this!

There is not enough win to describe this image.

Instead I shall simply bash my face agains the keyboard.

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Edit: For top! (And great JUSTICE!)

Modifié par Mistress Tasharra, 27 mai 2011 - 12:05 .

[LyndseyCousland]

esper wrote...

I like diplomatic Hawke more too. Snarky feels akward and unattentive to other people. That being said I don't always pick the same icon through out the whole game. My Hawke goes from being an idealist who wants to pick everyone to an idealist who believe in mage freedom (Andes' influence.). It was fun picking more and more aggressive options in Act III without actually stepping out of character - It didn't feel like she was stepping out of character, just like she live and learned and had character devolpment.

My Diplomatic Hawke would get quite wound up if she felt her family was being threatened. I figured that made sense after all that happened. So when Meridith was like "Lol, you know someone in the Circle" my Hawke was all "Betch! Leave my sister alone or I'll rip your intestines out through your throat". Paraphrasing here of course.

[Amondra]

Camilladilla wrote...

Actually it was Isabela who slept with the girl with the griffon tattoos, the "Lay Warden".

Amondra wrote...

Yes!  I want to wear Anders batman/Punisher robes has a hang up on those robes, you two can be festooned in ruffles!  It will be glorious!<3

CAN I BE HAWKE AND WEAR DIS!?

Yes! And bring the ruffles...

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Dunizel wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

It's literally a story about watching a single revolutionary break down in reaction to the continued abuses of a police state, until he finally resorts to terrorism in a desperate attempt to change the status quo. The end game is all about condoning or rejecting this decision. It's V for Vendetta, only in the dark ages and with a much, much more sympathetic character (V is kind of a jerkwad). 

I always said DA2 is basically the story of Anders, through the eyes of your Hawke. I completely agree with you on this. 
Which is a bit connected to the previous point I made. I felt more like reading a book with a wonderful character, and more nice characters, than actually playing since I was little more than a spectator of the unfolding of the events. I know I am a bit exagerating the point, but the things that really changed more were through the amount of points in rivalrly/friendly, not really game choices.

Yes, though the "story changes based on friendship/rivalry" thing is also true for Merril, and we all know about Sebastian. Heck, it's true for everybody, though those are the ones most changed by your friendship or rivalry.

Fenris exists to serve as a warning, and as a walking justification for why mages can't be allowed to simply take over, how preventing any one class of people from ruling over another is incredibly important. He's also a great dramatic foil for Anders. Merril serves as an explanation as to how someone not trained in the circle might easily fall to demons. She's especially poignant for me because my first warden was Dalish, and she had a very "Whatever, all this stuff about your gods is completely ridiculous" attitude about the Chantry and the Maker. Merril's conversation with Anders about how all spirits are dangerous is one of the most telling in the game, and is one of the few things that gives me genuine pause about Justice.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 27 mai 2011 - 12:14 .

[Camilladilla]

Amondra wrote...

Yes! And bring the ruffles...

I FOUND TASH'S DRESS

[Mistress Tasharra]

Camilladilla wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Yes! And bring the ruffles...

I FOUND TASH'S DRESS

I would NEVER wear that.

Not enough ruffles.

Imeanreallyhowcouldanyoneexpectmetowearsomethinglikethatseriously

[Camilladilla]

Mistress Tasharra wrote...

I would NEVER wear that.

Not enough ruffles.

Imeanreallyhowcouldanyoneexpectmetowearsomethinglikethatseriously

Q.Q

DIS? 

[Mistress Tasharra]

Camilladilla wrote...

Mistress Tasharra wrote...

I would NEVER wear that.

Not enough ruffles.

Imeanreallyhowcouldanyoneexpectmetowearsomethinglikethatseriously

Q.Q

DIS? 

Much better!

Does it come in Justice-Blue?

[YamiSnuffles]

OMG guys, I had the best dream ever. I was my canon Hawke and I was traipsing about in a very Lord of the Rings style adventure. Instead of Gandalf, Flemeth was leading this merry band about. Anders was also there (of course). And the best part, so were a bunch of you guys. Except, since I don't actually know what anyone looks like, everyone became their avatars. Surely was Wil, Elle was an elf mage girl, and- totally best of all- hi-C was a boat that was always floating along in the background.

Gah, it was so epic. Then my husband woke me up and I was sad.

[Amondra]

Mistress Tasharra wrote...

Camilladilla wrote...

Mistress Tasharra wrote...

I would NEVER wear that.

Not enough ruffles.

Imeanreallyhowcouldanyoneexpectmetowearsomethinglikethatseriously

Q.Q

DIS? 

Much better!

Does it come in Justice-Blue?

It better! I want you two looking like the best Hawke brides ever!  Or Justice kitty will seek vengeance.

[andrastepreserveme]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

OMG guys, I had the best dream ever. I was my canon Hawke and I was traipsing about in a very Lord of the Rings style adventure. Instead of Gandalf, Flemeth was leading this merry band about. Anders was also there (of course). And the best part, so were a bunch of you guys. Except, since I don't actually know what anyone looks like, everyone became their avatars. Surely was Wil, Elle was an elf mage girl, and- totally best of all- hi-C was a boat that was always floating along in the background.

Gah, it was so epic. Then my husband woke me up and I was sad.

He must die! He ruined the best dream of all dreams ever.

Also @Elle CUUUUTE! Do you squeak like a mouse?

Modifié par mandamcmoo, 27 mai 2011 - 12:29 .

[AerdrieDarkmoon]

SurelyForth wrote...

So I'm interrupting Serious Discussion (although I'm pretty sure that Sarcastic Hawke has been proven the best Hawke, by science even) because AerdrieDarkmoon is amazng and did a beautiful drawing of Anders and my Hawke. Since she hasn't posted the actual image yet, I am going to. Because it is lovely.

I had a mature warning on it, so it probably wasn't displaying.  I've editted it but, it's not like anything is actually happening, just "a look" ... hmm I should title it that. "The Look". I'm happy that you like it.  I can't keep from looking at the hands, I think they're getting better. 


Festooned... if only I wasn't afraid of drawing all those darn ruffles... *shudders*  Ah I miss Psudo's comic art posts... from hundreds of pages ago.

Modifié par AerdrieDarkmoon, 27 mai 2011 - 12:38 .

[AerdrieDarkmoon]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

OMG guys, I had the best dream ever. I was my canon Hawke and I was traipsing about in a very Lord of the Rings style adventure. Instead of Gandalf, Flemeth was leading this merry band about. Anders was also there (of course). And the best part, so were a bunch of you guys. Except, since I don't actually know what anyone looks like, everyone became their avatars. Surely was Wil, Elle was an elf mage girl, and- totally best of all- hi-C was a boat that was always floating along in the background.

Gah, it was so epic. Then my husband woke me up and I was sad.

I've been trying the tricks others have done on here... reading a short Anders fic, watching vids before sleeping, no DA dreams for me. 
I wonder did Hi-C's boat talk too?
I want your dreams.

[YamiSnuffles]

AerdrieDarkmoon wrote...

I've been trying the tricks others have done on here... reading a short Anders fic, watching vids before sleeping, no DA dreams for me. 
I wonder did Hi-C's boat talk too?
I want your dreams.

Oh yes, the boat talked. That was the best part. Except, everyone talked with my voice since that's how I read everything, haha.

I think this is the closest I'll get to a DA2 dream. It seems like an awesome evolution from the weird dreams I've had of just reading this thread.

[highcastle]

Tyrium wrote...

highcastle wrote...

Yeah, I figured as much. But there's so much Anders-can't-be-bi-in-my-game-that's-icky outside this thread, I think my hackles snap up automatically. Some part of my brain goes, them's fighting words and then I start typing out manifestos on sexuality and...I'll stop now.

Hmm...playing cards, playing cards. I think my Hawke would be a Joker, personally. A wrench in everybody's carefully laid plans and always trying to liven things up. Anders...Anders is a whole hand. Aces and eights, baby.

Fair enough. Anders is straight in my canon play, but not because "bi is icky" or any other such nonsense. In fact, Fenders and Nanders are two of my favourite fanfic pairings (they are some VERY attractive men). It's just that I saw him as straight in Awakening, and I can play DA2 as a female where nothing contradicts that, and it allows me consistency. If you interpret him as bisexual, in DA2 or Awakening, that's your perogative. Again, nothing contradicts that. I think it is a matter of interpretation, but both are valid, and neither is contradicted by the text. 

Part of me wishes we did have the Karl conversation as a fem!hawke, because it is an interesting one, and I'd still have romanced him, of course. But another part of me is also glad we don't, because I do like the interpretation being possible. To me, information that cannot be learned by a character, regardless of dialogue and plot choices, is not canon in that character's run, which is why I don't count Karl having  been Anders' first as canon for a female Hawke. If you do, that's fine by me. Again, nothing to contradict it. But playing as a female Hawke, there is nothing to contradict him being straight in that run either.


EDIT:

I do understand most people on here think he's always bi (or pansexual), so please understand I'm not attacking that position. I can certainly see the evidence for it, and I fully support that interpretation as being a valid one. It's just not the interpretation I have for my canon Hawke. It doesn't stop me enjoying fanfic where Anders is with a female Hawke and is bi, and it certainly doesn't stop me enjoying Anders slash, it's just not the interpretation in my canon run.

Missed this because I was sleeping. Or trying to, anyway. I'm just a little confused by it. The writers have said (someone with more search bar magic than me please find the quote; I'm still too coffee deprived and sleep-addled to be more effective at anything than ogling pretty colors right now) that Anders is not constrained by gender when it comes to attraction. Karl is his first whether he tells you about it or not. It happened. That he doesn't mention it doesn't transport him to a land of being straight.

Even if you don't want to think about Karl, there's the Justice aspect to consider. While their relationship isn't sexual, Anders willingly and knowingly let  a male spirit cohabitate in his own body. That's...beyond intimate.

The reason why I'm bringing this up is because sexual orientation isn't really a matter of interpretation. People are who they are. Anders' isn't even the most defining part of his character, but it is there. And he's one of the better representations of pansexuality in games (which I differentiate from bisexuality in that Anders isn't so much attracted to both genders equally as attracted to people regardless of gender). To say he came across straight to you is just a little on the offensive side because it plays into the stereotypes surrounding different sexualities. He wasn't flaming and lisping or hitting on everything that moves, so he must be straight.

I doubt that's how you meant for it to come across, but these stereotypes and such are out there, and they drive me personally absolutely batty. I'm not trying to attack anyone personally here, but I think there are misconceptions out there that should be clarified.

[highcastle]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

OMG guys, I had the best dream ever. I was my canon Hawke and I was traipsing about in a very Lord of the Rings style adventure. Instead of Gandalf, Flemeth was leading this merry band about. Anders was also there (of course). And the best part, so were a bunch of you guys. Except, since I don't actually know what anyone looks like, everyone became their avatars. Surely was Wil, Elle was an elf mage girl, and- totally best of all- hi-C was a boat that was always floating along in the background.

Gah, it was so epic. Then my husband woke me up and I was sad.

Wait, wait, wait. This is crucially important: what kind of boat was I? Was I badass pirate ship or a completely weak little canoe? I must know so my self-esteem can remain at reasonable levels. (Or perhaps so my ego can remain in check. It's amazing how often those two go hand-in-hand.)

[YamiSnuffles]

Gosh, thank you so very much to everyone who has commissioned me. I went a few years with absolutely no commissions, then a few trickled in, and suddenly it's a torrent. <3<3<3<3

But to be on topic... um... I'll have to draw Andersbutt as a thank you or something once I actually get these all done.

[YamiSnuffles]

highcastle wrote...


Wait, wait, wait. This is crucially important: what kind of boat was I? Was I badass pirate ship or a completely weak little canoe? I must know so my self-esteem can remain at reasonable levels. (Or perhaps so my ego can remain in check. It's amazing how often those two go hand-in-hand.)

You looked vaguely like the Black Pearl. So, you know, maybe you had Captain Jack Sparrow riding you.

[highcastle]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

highcastle wrote...


Wait, wait, wait. This is crucially important: what kind of boat was I? Was I badass pirate ship or a completely weak little canoe? I must know so my self-esteem can remain at reasonable levels. (Or perhaps so my ego can remain in check. It's amazing how often those two go hand-in-hand.)

You looked vaguely like the Black Pearl. So, you know, maybe you had Captain Jack Sparrow riding you.

You know, I was going to make a dirty comment about that, but I think you pretty much did it for me.

Ah, what the hell: Jack Sparrow knows how to hoist my main sails. *ba-dum-tish*

[andrastepreserveme]

ElleMullineux wrote...

@ Manda - Judging from the looks I was getting, quite likely!

I want to keep you.

[YamiSnuffles]

ElleMullineux wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Gosh, thank you so very much to everyone who has commissioned me. I went a few years with absolutely no commissions, then a few trickled in, and suddenly it's a torrent. <3<3<3<3

But to be on topic... um... I'll have to draw Andersbutt as a thank you or something once I actually get these all done.

Regulars had best be able to the jump the queue.

Hey, I certainly won't say no. Although, in less than two weeks I'll be gone for a week to a wedding. I need to work double time to make sure I don't leave anyone hanging before that. As it is, I'm already sad I'll be gone from you all for so long.

[highcastle]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

ElleMullineux wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Gosh, thank you so very much to everyone who has commissioned me. I went a few years with absolutely no commissions, then a few trickled in, and suddenly it's a torrent. <3<3<3<3

But to be on topic... um... I'll have to draw Andersbutt as a thank you or something once I actually get these all done.

Regulars had best be able to the jump the queue.

Hey, I certainly won't say no. Although, in less than two weeks I'll be gone for a week to a wedding. I need to work double time to make sure I don't leave anyone hanging before that. As it is, I'm already sad I'll be gone from you all for so long.

A whole week? 

But what will we do without an influx of Swanders and Mordanders and OldSpice!Anders? Come on Yami, I want you right here until the day we die!