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The Anders Thread: Flash Fic Contest! Details on Pg. 2274

Débuté par SurelyForth , mars 08 2011 02:29

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Posté 31 mai 2011 - 07:23

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Rattsu wrote...

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Rattsu wrote...

<Revolutionary snip>

This is SO very true. Also, I am very glad I am not the only Anders fangirl sitting around researching Thedas politics and planning for the revolution... *types*


Yay! Revolutionary fan-girls unite! Posted Image


And now I went and read your stuff on FF.net... awesome! Love your style.


Awwwwwww thank you! It goes without saying that I love your epic storytelling :wub:

Edit for Top

Because Aerdrie is far too modest to post this!

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Lillian-hime aka Aerdrie

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purplecookie wrote...

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Sorry kromify - am busy with writing for prompt group!

Oooh.. quilted coat. I hope so seeing as I imagine him sleeping under it when he's on the run.

@ berelinde - speed run? Why? Where's the joy in that? :/


Indeed! The only speed-running I do is when Anders tells Hawke to meet him at the mansion after The Kiss Posted Image

(ok that was pretty lame, I'll go back to lurking now... Posted Image)


No, that was awesome!  (Though, in a note related to the recent plea to not make fun of the illiterate, I feel obliged to say that I think using the word "lame" to mean "bad" or "weak" is offensive and harmful to the disabled, and request others to consider that possible offense/harm as well.)  (Now back to the fun part...)

That trip from Anders' Clinic the the Hawke Estate was about the only time (I think) moving from one place in the game to another was really exciting and had meaning!

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Then he magically fists the board when he is informed that it isn't a word.


Okay, I hadn't heard what Fenris does described as "fisting" before (which is lol in and of itself).  But I must say, the idea of him inappropriately "fisting" things while drunk made me lol for real.

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Posté 31 mai 2011 - 07:33

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rayemoon wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...
Then he magically fists the board when he is informed that it isn't a word.


Okay, I hadn't heard what Fenris does described as "fisting" before (which is lol in and of itself).  But I must say, the idea of him inappropriately "fisting" things while drunk made me lol for real.


Really? Both Isabela and Varric call it " that magical fisting thing". Varric says something along the lines of "That would come in handy while pick pocketing" and Isabela TOTALLY takes it to a dirty place.

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Posté 31 mai 2011 - 07:41

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rayemoon wrote...

purplecookie wrote...

ElleMullineux wrote...

Sorry kromify - am busy with writing for prompt group!

Oooh.. quilted coat. I hope so seeing as I imagine him sleeping under it when he's on the run.

@ berelinde - speed run? Why? Where's the joy in that? :/


Indeed! The only speed-running I do is when Anders tells Hawke to meet him at the mansion after The Kiss Posted Image

(ok that was pretty lame, I'll go back to lurking now... Posted Image)


No, that was awesome!  (Though, in a note related to the recent plea to not make fun of the illiterate, I feel obliged to say that I think using the word "lame" to mean "bad" or "weak" is offensive and harmful to the disabled, and request others to consider that possible offense/harm as well.)  (Now back to the fun part...)

That trip from Anders' Clinic the the Hawke Estate was about the only time (I think) moving from one place in the game to another was really exciting and had meaning!


I apologise, I didn't mean to be offensive at all.

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rayemoon wrote...

That trip from Anders' Clinic the the Hawke Estate was about the only time (I think) moving from one place in the game to another was really exciting and had meaning!


I try to hold out until I need to do a nighttime quest and then go home first to get me some sugah! :kissing:

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Really? Both Isabela and Varric call it " that magical fisting thing". Varric says something along the lines of "That would come in handy while pick pocketing" and Isabela TOTALLY takes it to a dirty place.


Yeah, sadly I've only done one playthrough so far, and Isabela and Varric were rarely in my party, since my Mariel Hawke is a rogue, herself.

In fact, reading this thread has made me realize I missed a lot of party banter in Awakenings, too, since I only did one playthrough of that, and again, didn't switch up my party a lot.  So I just re-purchased Awakenings yesterday.

::eagerly awaits more Andersy goodness::

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I apologise, I didn't mean to be offensive at all.


Aww, no need for apologies (at least on my behalf).  I know you meant no offense by it.  I grew up in one of those unfortunate areas were "gay" was the slang used for "bad," "weird," "uncool," or "weak," and so I myself used that a long time without meaning offense until I learned better.

And the politics of various words is something I've got an interest in, and "lame" is something I just recently became aware of, and think worth mentioning to others when the situation allows.  Just...thanks for listening.<3

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Posté 31 mai 2011 - 08:14

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Judging by the turn this thread has taken in the past hour posting a copy of the first pic in Dev art when you search for Anders/Most recent would be massively inappropriate. Still... laughed my arse off.

I am sitting on my hands trying really hard not to start a fresh canon playthrough now the patch is out for Xbox in the UK. The effort is driving me nuts, but an hour in the evening through the week isn't going to give me enough Anders goodness. I won't even meet him until tomorrow at the earliest!!! Must hold out until the weekend. Must.

Edit - I've just been slayed by chibi cuteness
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Desfunk

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Posté 31 mai 2011 - 08:21

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LOL, this one?
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Posté 31 mai 2011 - 08:21

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I think the word "lame" is pretty innocuous considering it hasn't be used regularly in a medical context in decades, unless you're worried about offending horses. Language soldiers on :whistle:

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Harking back to the debate you were having at 1.30am GMT *shakes fist* (That and the fact my brain is swollen with circle/chantry codicies after researching the manifesto).

Whilst Anders was ostensibly acting alone with the whole Jenga thing, his point of view and beliefs that the circle be free of Chantry involvement was definitely not crazy or without its supporters. His stance as a Libertarian aligns him firmly with the largest opposition fraternity to the the Aequitarian & Loyalist coalition. That those two fraternities had to even form a coalition suggests that the Libertarian's have enough support to make the College of Magi/ Chantry nervous. Which again was echo'd by Lelianna's comments about the Resolutionists (an zealot off-shoot of the LIbertarians) and their being 'tolerated'. However, as we see through the game Anders eventually aligns himself with more strongly with the Resolutionist agenda; 
"They have declared that unless mages are freed to rule themselves, they will show every person in Thedas how little protection the Circle of Magi actually offers."
Remember that Anders was at the Ferelden Circle at the same time as Uldred - who was an outspoken supporter of the Libertarian view, and if he didn't witness the carnage at the circle he certainly heard about the lengths that the mages would go to to free themselves from the Chantry.
I think that rather than have every mage turn to blood magic out of desperation, he (with the guidance of Justice) understands the need to force the issue and make the College of Magi realise its power is conditional on the
whims of the Chantry, and that it needs to wrest control for itself.
That Anders actions finally cause the Aequtarian fraternity to switch alligance is a fantastically planned and orchestrated move, by a desperate man.

/end rant. 

Yeah, so I love him even more after researching all that stuff. Anders bleeds awesome.  Posted Image



Oooh!  Mind if I ask where you dug all this up? Just generally (codices?  wikia?  dev comments/interviews?), not specific links.  I, too, would like to do the research, but I haven't read all the codices in DAII, yet.  I often don't do that until a second or third playthrough.

But one specific question- where did you find the info about the Aequtarians changing allegiances?

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Posté 31 mai 2011 - 08:36

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Harking back to the debate you were having at 1.30am GMT *shakes fist* (That and the fact my brain is swollen with circle/chantry codicies after researching the manifesto).

Whilst Anders was ostensibly acting alone with the whole Jenga thing, his point of view and beliefs that the circle be free of Chantry involvement was definitely not crazy or without its supporters. His stance as a Libertarian aligns him firmly with the largest opposition fraternity to the the Aequitarian & Loyalist coalition. That those two fraternities had to even form a coalition suggests that the Libertarian's have enough support to make the College of Magi/ Chantry nervous. Which again was echo'd by Lelianna's comments about the Resolutionists (an zealot off-shoot of the LIbertarians) and their being 'tolerated'. However, as we see through the game Anders eventually aligns himself with more strongly with the Resolutionist agenda; 
"They have declared that unless mages are freed to rule themselves, they will show every person in Thedas how little protection the Circle of Magi actually offers."
Remember that Anders was at the Ferelden Circle at the same time as Uldred - who was an outspoken supporter of the Libertarian view, and if he didn't witness the carnage at the circle he certainly heard about the lengths that the mages would go to to free themselves from the Chantry.
I think that rather than have every mage turn to blood magic out of desperation, he (with the guidance of Justice) understands the need to force the issue and make the College of Magi realise its power is conditional on the
whims of the Chantry, and that it needs to wrest control for itself.
That Anders actions finally cause the Aequtarian fraternity to switch alligance is a fantastically planned and orchestrated move, by a desperate man.

/end rant. 

Yeah, so I love him even more after researching all that stuff. Anders bleeds awesome.  Posted Image



Oooh!  Mind if I ask where you dug all this up? Just generally (codices?  wikia?  dev comments/interviews?), not specific links.  I, too, would like to do the research, but I haven't read all the codices in DAII, yet.  I often don't do that until a second or third playthrough.

But one specific question- where did you find the info about the Aequtarians changing allegiances?


It was in the codicies/wiki - specifically the ones relating to the Circles and Fraternities across all the games, there's a lot of darting about all over the place following different hints and snippets as across the games the information changes slightly indicating growing support for the Libertarians and the hint at extremists in their ranks.

The Aequtarian's changing allegiances is presumed because they are the controlling hand of the College of Magi, prior to DA2 they side with the Loyalists (aka Chantry Apologists). For Anders' actions to make sense in a wider political sense his goal must have been to tip the balance of power in the College of Magi as per the Resolutionist agenda:
Splitting from the main Libertarian fraternity, the Resolutionists are open apostates who support freedom for mages at all costs. They engaged in acts of terror and sabotage against the Chantry throughout Thedas, and many are connected to Kirkwall's mage underground.
They have declared that unless mages are freed to rule themselves, they will show every person in Thedas how little protection the Circle of Magi actually offers.
Codex Entry: Resolutionists.

No matter which side Hawke choses the College of Magi finally see how vulnerable the Circles are, and the Libertarians gain the upper hand thanks to the Aequtarian support.

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Posté 31 mai 2011 - 08:45

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Elle, your research is awesome and it's killing me trying to read it all on my tiny phone screen. Too bad you were being silly and sleeping during the is-Anders-crazy debate the other night. Clearly you just need to pull an allnighter ;)

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Posté 31 mai 2011 - 08:48

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As a side note, just about all the other mages of note that you meet (Irving and Wynne in particular) are Aepuitarians, as well as most of the Senior Enchanters of Ferelden prior to the thing with the abominations. I think we only ever meet one Isolationist (Nial), so that should give you an idea about the distribution of the fraternities.

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Bwahahaaa... you're in my timezone now biatch!

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Posté 31 mai 2011 - 08:51

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I'm going to be very interested as to how this pans out when it comes to both the hedgewitches and the Keepers. Both are weird, disorganized mage subsets... but both have very interesting perspectives and skills that no other mage possesses.

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Posté 31 mai 2011 - 08:59

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@Elle: Not yet sadly. I'm still in Chicago waiting for my connection. I'm actually even more behind you than ever.

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@HC - Seriously?!!! What on earth time are you due over here? Weds morning local time?

@CulturalGeekGril - I'm not sure that hedgewitches and Keepers will be massively effected, they generally keep to themselves, and even if pursued by templars/angry villagers I'm sure they'd put as much of the blame on the circle mages as they would the templars.

Now Feynriel... *please please let the patch fix his Act3 quest*... that'll be interesting.

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ipgd wrote...

I think the word "lame" is pretty innocuous considering it hasn't be used regularly in a medical context in decades, unless you're worried about offending horses. Language soldiers on :whistle:


True enough.  Still, the dictionary definition of "lame" is "unable to walk normally," and I'm troubled by the conflation of that with "weak," "feeble," "ineffectual," "uncool," "bad," etc.  But YMMV.

Now, back onto topic:  Here are some pics of someone else starting an Anders costume:

http://ros1908.devia...t.com/#/d3gcj3r

http://ros1908.devia...llery/#/d3hf6jl

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Posté 31 mai 2011 - 09:09

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@Elle: yeah pretty much. My flight gets in at 8 AM local, which is about 3 AM my time.

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highcastle wrote...

@Elle: yeah pretty much. My flight gets in at 8 AM local, which is about 3 AM my time.


Coffee is your friend. Just... make sure you get it from somewhere with a Barista... anywhere else it'll be instant. Just a heads up for when you reach the backwaters ;)

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Posté 31 mai 2011 - 09:26

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@ Elle: I think at that point I'll take what I can get and like it

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Posté 31 mai 2011 - 09:43

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There's an Act 3 Feynriel quest? Maker, the game was severely broken when they released it!

*rubs hands together* Another excuse to reroll my mage!

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rayemoon wrote...

ipgd wrote...

I think the word "lame" is pretty innocuous considering it hasn't be used regularly in a medical context in decades, unless you're worried about offending horses. Language soldiers on :whistle:


True enough.  Still, the dictionary definition of "lame" is "unable to walk normally," and I'm troubled by the conflation of that with "weak," "feeble," "ineffectual," "uncool," "bad," etc.  But YMMV.

Dictionaries are often far behind the natural progression of language itself, which is practically a living, breathing memetic process. 'Tyrant' also originally meant someone who came into power illegally, regardless of their cruelty or lack thereof, a '****got' was a bundle of sticks, and 'tell' meant 'count'. All of these definitions are still in the dictionary even though they are rarely ever used that way in common speech anymore. Dig into etymologies and you'll find words that make no sense at all considering their parts ("awful"'s meaning should be closer to 'awesome' than what it actually is; 'nice' came from Latin 'nescius' which meant ignorant, unknowing, etc.).

Regardless, words are only offensive if a) there's an offensive sentiment behind them, and/or B) the reader wants to give them that power, and in that respect, any word can be offensive. Cruising around playing Word Police because some words can be offensive to some people when used in a different context with a different connotation would be a daunting effort. And also a counterproductive one, as words like 'lame' evidence, with its old "offensive" definition on the cusp of obscurity where it would offend no one ever again, were it not for the people who insist on resuscitating it and empowering it and making it offensive when it doesn't have to be. I'd worry more about people who are actually trying to be offensive than people who use words with multiple meanings.


hey what's a topic idk

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