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[CulturalGeekGirl]

Well, I guess I'm one of you now, officially. I had the Anders dream last night.

It wasn't a particularly good one... he was working as a bartender in this bar that was just full of aquariums. Not nice ones, just the crappy 1x2 kind you keep goldfish in. He was vaguely cranky about it.

Still, that's something, isn't it?

Oldschool Anders for top: 

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 01 juin 2011 - 12:39 .

[SurelyForth]

CalJones wrote...

I spent a lot of time in the Loghain thread (which is very quiet now DA2 is here) and it got very off topic at times, venturing into military strategy, strategy games and all sorts. I wouldn't worry too much.

It's also a quarter the length of this one. They like to cull threads once they reach a certain point and since photos (and requoting photos) is something that drains their bandwidth, long threads that have a lot of off-topic pictures and/or gifs and little discussion besides commenting on said pictures/gifs are subject to more scrutiny.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 01 juin 2011 - 12:44 .

[CalJones]

That's a good point. Loggy has his fans but he doesn't seem to attract fangirl squee like an Alistair or an Anders.

[ashyraine]

My dear Elenilote is tweaking some things but I hope to have more of Danny's story soon.
Suffice to say:

Daniel is diplosnark with the emphasis on the snark when it comes to personality
He's a primal/force mage who lets his honey do the healing
He has a MAJOR sweets addiction and if not for all the exercise he'd be as big as a house
He loves Anders with all his heart. Anders turned him into a big squishy teddy bear.
In my head canon Tthey are together until the very last breath (story by Elenilote)

Edit: Oh yah and he once had a threesome with Anders' cousin and Isabela (once again story by Elenilote)

Modifié par ashyraine, 01 juin 2011 - 01:02 .

[purplecookie]

SurelyForth wrote...

Ok! I have a new guideline/suggestion:

If you're posting a picture without Anders in it, please at least explain why. What is your roleplay with said character? Why would they go for Anders/how did they deal with Anders, etc. Posting (and then quoting) lots of contextless screenshots of Handsome Hawkes is pretty much the sort of thing that gets threads that are this long locked.

Ach sorry Surelyforth! Some backstory to my Garrett:

He's a snark rogue that doesn't take life too seriously. Situations present themselves that just have to be dealt with and otherwise interrupt drink time at the tavern. He doesn't like heavy-duty serious types, which is why it was a surprise to him why he was attracted to Anders. There was just something there that he felt drawn to (probably the ol' Anders sense of humour that emerged from time to time). Plus he was hot. While he listened to Anders' pro-mage beliefs, he never really felt passionately about it himself (definitely of the Issy and Varric school-of-thought there) but was supportive in a "oh you cute rebel" kind of way

Chantry jenga was a bit of a "D'Oh" moment for him, but represented just another situation that needed to be dealt with in the long line of situations presented by Kirkwall. They ran away together because Anders wanted to continue the fight for mages' rights and Garrett rather enjoyed opportunities for being Prince Stabbity stabkillkill so figured he'd stay with the lug he loved and continue the good fight (provided there were still drinking opportunities).

[SurelyForth]

ElleMullineux wrote...

I *really* want Anders to be involved in the mage underground quests - this letter in particular I just imagine him writing,

Hawke,

I must tell you of a recent event: Ser Conrad was fighting with another templar; Ser Roderick broke in and accused Ser Conrad of worshipping "The Great Demon" and doing "demony things." The other templars were aghast. In the middle of the scene that followed, a dockworker came up and said, calm as you please, "You Ser Conrad? Got a shipment of raw lyrium for you. Sign here." It took all my resolve not to burst into laughter.

Ser Conrad was discharged from the order and is under investigation. I don't know how you did it, Hawke, but you saved a lot of apostates.

-A friend

I know there are a lot of other mages involved in the underground, and this letter suggests they were actually present, but it could take place in the gallows... (I know it's a flawed dream of mine) but it pleases me to think he's written back to Hawke.

Hawke: Did you write this?
Anders: *shifty eyes* No.
Hawke: You are the worst liar. You do realize that we sleep together? You could have just *told* me.
Anders: Justice says that thank you notes are better etiquette.

[YamiSnuffles]

SurelyForth wrote...

ElleMullineux wrote...

I *really* want Anders to be involved in the mage underground quests - this letter in particular I just imagine him writing,

Hawke,

I must tell you of a recent event: Ser Conrad was fighting with another templar; Ser Roderick broke in and accused Ser Conrad of worshipping "The Great Demon" and doing "demony things." The other templars were aghast. In the middle of the scene that followed, a dockworker came up and said, calm as you please, "You Ser Conrad? Got a shipment of raw lyrium for you. Sign here." It took all my resolve not to burst into laughter.

Ser Conrad was discharged from the order and is under investigation. I don't know how you did it, Hawke, but you saved a lot of apostates.

-A friend

I know there are a lot of other mages involved in the underground, and this letter suggests they were actually present, but it could take place in the gallows... (I know it's a flawed dream of mine) but it pleases me to think he's written back to Hawke.

Hawke: Did you write this?
Anders: *shifty eyes* No.
Hawke: You are the worst liar. You do realize that we sleep together? You could have just *told* me.
Anders: Justice says that thank you notes are better etiquette.

Hahaha. This just makes me imagine the letter ending with a little stick figure drawing of Hawke surrounded by little hearts.

Hawke: Come on, you have to be the one who wrote this.
Anders: I did not!
Hawke: Then what's with this drawing?
Anders: Clearly some great artist just admires you for helping the mages.

Oh! And the letter would be sprayed with cologne. Or in Anders case, he would just rub it all over himself before sending it to Hawke.

[ashyraine]

At which point Hawke rolls his/her eyes and gives Anders the money back and tells him to buy a new coat

[YamiSnuffles]

Hawke: How in Thedas did you get a paper cut there?
Anders: I, uh... *mumbles something about finishing touches for his manifesto*
Hawke: I don't really want to know, do I?
Anders: Probably not, love.

[SurelyForth]

YamiSnuffles wrote...
Hahaha. This just makes me imagine the letter ending with a little stick figure drawing of Hawke surrounded by little hearts.

Hawke: Come on, you have to be the one who wrote this.
Anders: I did not!
Hawke: Then what's with this drawing?
Anders: Clearly some great artist just admires you for helping the mages.

Oh! And the letter would be sprayed with cologne. Or in Anders case, he would just rub it all over himself before sending it to Hawke.

LOL To all of this, but especially the bolded.

Also, for some reason, I'm thinking about Anders' signature and it involves a cat face and cat ears drawn on the "A". WTF brain?

[SurelyForth]

ElleMullineux wrote...

@ Surely - I can just imagine Justice reading guide books on etiquette and how to behave in 'society' and lecturing Anders on the correct cutlery to use, or how to bow in the correct fashion.
He'd try so hard to fit in but Anders is just too scruffy to pull it off.

I bet he absorbed it from Kristoff's memories. Aura seemed refined like that, and wasn't he Orlesian?

[Sialater]

SurelyForth wrote...

ElleMullineux wrote...

@ Surely - I can just imagine Justice reading guide books on etiquette and how to behave in 'society' and lecturing Anders on the correct cutlery to use, or how to bow in the correct fashion.
He'd try so hard to fit in but Anders is just too scruffy to pull it off.

I bet he absorbed it from Kristoff's memories. Aura seemed refined like that, and wasn't he Orlesian?

I believe Kristoff was Orlesian...

I still have to wonder how much of Kristoff's memories are part of Anders now.

[SurelyForth]

ElleMullineux wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

ElleMullineux wrote...

@ Surely - I can just imagine Justice reading guide books on etiquette and how to behave in 'society' and lecturing Anders on the correct cutlery to use, or how to bow in the correct fashion.
He'd try so hard to fit in but Anders is just too scruffy to pull it off.

I bet he absorbed it from Kristoff's memories. Aura seemed refined like that, and wasn't he Orlesian?

That Justice for Kristoff quest is still the most disturbing thing that DA has had me do.

Is it Kristoff's influence that makes Anders a better boyfriend then?

Perhaps! I mean, Justice says that Kristoff loved Aura, and I know that Miri was toying around with the idea that part of Anders' newfound propensity for a serious, committed relationship is because of what Justice took from Kristoff. He was envious of Kristoff and Aura's relationship, so it's possible that the imprint of their love is still on him even when he enters Anders (which sounds so blech and weird when I say it like that).

[Sialater]

SurelyForth wrote...

ElleMullineux wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

ElleMullineux wrote...

@ Surely - I can just imagine Justice reading guide books on etiquette and how to behave in 'society' and lecturing Anders on the correct cutlery to use, or how to bow in the correct fashion.
He'd try so hard to fit in but Anders is just too scruffy to pull it off.

I bet he absorbed it from Kristoff's memories. Aura seemed refined like that, and wasn't he Orlesian?

That Justice for Kristoff quest is still the most disturbing thing that DA has had me do.

Is it Kristoff's influence that makes Anders a better boyfriend then?

Perhaps! I mean, Justice says that Kristoff loved Aura, and I know that Miri was toying around with the idea that part of Anders' newfound propensity for a serious, committed relationship is because of what Justice took from Kristoff. He was envious of Kristoff and Aura's relationship, so it's possible that the imprint of their love is still on him even when he enters Anders (which sounds so blech and weird when I say it like that).

Anders:  I'm no longer a commitment-phobe!  I can love you till the day we die because Justice remembers being married!
Hawke:  Uh... right...

[purplecookie]

SurelyForth wrote...

ElleMullineux wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

ElleMullineux wrote...

@ Surely - I can just imagine Justice reading guide books on etiquette and how to behave in 'society' and lecturing Anders on the correct cutlery to use, or how to bow in the correct fashion.
He'd try so hard to fit in but Anders is just too scruffy to pull it off.

I bet he absorbed it from Kristoff's memories. Aura seemed refined like that, and wasn't he Orlesian?

That Justice for Kristoff quest is still the most disturbing thing that DA has had me do.

Is it Kristoff's influence that makes Anders a better boyfriend then?

Perhaps! I mean, Justice says that Kristoff loved Aura, and I know that Miri was toying around with the idea that part of Anders' newfound propensity for a serious, committed relationship is because of what Justice took from Kristoff. He was envious of Kristoff and Aura's relationship, so it's possible that the imprint of their love is still on him even when he enters Anders (which sounds so blech and weird when I say it like that).

I'm not sure I agree with this. Anders himself says that Justice does not approve of his obsession with Hawke as it's a distraction, so my interpretation from that is Justice is no longer concerned with the emotions that arise from the feelings of love he was envious of when inhabiting Kristoff's body. The way I interpret Anders' 'love style' in DA2 (and it's just an opinion and probably wrong!) is that it's more to do with Justice's presence exaggerating Anders's emotional experience, that he feels more intensely both highs (e.g. love) and lows (e.g. depression) and his commitment and dedication to Hawke is a sort of byproduct of that emotional intensity. He never wants to let go of Hawke because he feels so strongly for him/her and that manifests the commitment seen in DA2.

Just my two cents

[SurelyForth]

Sialater wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...
Perhaps! I mean, Justice says that Kristoff loved Aura, and I know that Miri was toying around with the idea that part of Anders' newfound propensity for a serious, committed relationship is because of what Justice took from Kristoff. He was envious of Kristoff and Aura's relationship, so it's possible that the imprint of their love is still on him even when he enters Anders (which sounds so blech and weird when I say it like that).

Anders:  I'm no longer a commitment-phobe!  I can love you till the day we die because Justice remembers being married!
Hawke:  Uh... right...

Exactly! But, at the same time, it's possibly true.

I tend to think that he can love Hawke until the day he dies because he can't see himself ever being as accepted by anyone else, but I also am open to Justice actually playing a role, too. If Justice amplifies Anders' emotions, and if, of the  two of them, Justice is the only one who has experienced love (even if it was secondhand) it seems reasonable (insomuch as these  things can) that Anders would want a more committed relationship, should the opportunity for *a* relationship with anyone arise.

Which is sad, considering how he feels about himself and what his goals are.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 01 juin 2011 - 03:35 .

[berelinde]

SurelyForth wrote...

ElleMullineux wrote...
Is it Kristoff's influence that makes Anders a better boyfriend then?

Perhaps! I mean, Justice says that Kristoff loved Aura, and I know that Miri was toying around with the idea that part of Anders' newfound propensity for a serious, committed relationship is because of what Justice took from Kristoff. He was envious of Kristoff and Aura's relationship, so it's possible that the imprint of their love is still on him even when he enters Anders (which sounds so blech and weird when I say it like that).

Totally.

Which makes my PCs' relationships (can't romance anybody else, and I've tried) even creepier. It was bad enough knowing that Justice was watching, without traces of Kristoff lingering, too.

And I'm not entirely certain that Justice isn't watching. I know that Anders says that they are one and that their thoughts are inseparable, but there are also times when he contradicts himself. I figure that he is trying to explain something beyond human comprehension, so he does the best that he can. He makes several simplifications, adds a few approximations, and sprinkles in couple of outright lies. On the grounds that truth is like infinity. As a concept, it exists, but you'll never get there.

[Mekarah]

berelinde wrote...

I know that Anders says that they are one and that their thoughts are inseparable, but there are also times when he contradicts himself.

I've always sort of thought what he meant by that was that he would think things, and they seem like his thoughts, but they're just so out of left field, or or character, or of whatever, that he's sure they aren't actually his thoughts, and therefore are Justice's (and that's why they're contradictory). Not sure if that's true or not but, it always made me feel even worse for their situation. I have to wonder, does it work both ways? Does Justice have the same sort of problem? Or is he always "in control" of himself, as much as he can be?

I dunno if that makes sense at all. It's been one of those days already, and it's not even 11.

Side note, I was pretty much internetless ALL weekend, and now, a day after I get back, I'm finally caught up  So many laughs.

[highcastle]

I'm not sure how much I agree with the Justice-makes-Anders-okay-with-commitment thing. For one thing, we don't know he wouldn't be alright with commitment at an earlier time. He just lacked the opportunity. His whole "In the Circle, love was just a game" speech stated that it was virtually impossible for the mages to commit to someone without the templars stopping them or hurting them. To me this implied that Anders may have wanted that commitment, but found it denied to him. So I interpreted his relationship with Hawke as very much something he, not Justice, wanted to do. It couples nicely with the the whole "Justice does not approve of my obsession with you."

This isn't to say there might not be traces of Kristoff still in Justice and thus Anders. Wouldn't that be sad? Not only do you have to contend with your own bad memories, but you have two other sets of bad times to bog you down. It's no wonder Anders get depressed at times.

[Sialater]

highcastle wrote...

I'm not sure how much I agree with the Justice-makes-Anders-okay-with-commitment thing. For one thing, we don't know he wouldn't be alright with commitment at an earlier time. He just lacked the opportunity. His whole "In the Circle, love was just a game" speech stated that it was virtually impossible for the mages to commit to someone without the templars stopping them or hurting them. To me this implied that Anders may have wanted that commitment, but found it denied to him. So I interpreted his relationship with Hawke as very much something he, not Justice, wanted to do. It couples nicely with the the whole "Justice does not approve of my obsession with you."

This isn't to say there might not be traces of Kristoff still in Justice and thus Anders. Wouldn't that be sad? Not only do you have to contend with your own bad memories, but you have two other sets of bad times to bog you down. It's no wonder Anders get depressed at times.

He may also remember DYING. 

And it was just an idea.  I don't think either Surely or I are married to it. (teehee)

[highcastle]

Sialater wrote...

highcastle wrote...

I'm not sure how much I agree with the Justice-makes-Anders-okay-with-commitment thing. For one thing, we don't know he wouldn't be alright with commitment at an earlier time. He just lacked the opportunity. His whole "In the Circle, love was just a game" speech stated that it was virtually impossible for the mages to commit to someone without the templars stopping them or hurting them. To me this implied that Anders may have wanted that commitment, but found it denied to him. So I interpreted his relationship with Hawke as very much something he, not Justice, wanted to do. It couples nicely with the the whole "Justice does not approve of my obsession with you."

This isn't to say there might not be traces of Kristoff still in Justice and thus Anders. Wouldn't that be sad? Not only do you have to contend with your own bad memories, but you have two other sets of bad times to bog you down. It's no wonder Anders get depressed at times.

He may also remember DYING. 

And it was just an idea.  I don't think either Surely or I are married to it. (teehee)

Oh man, wouldn't that be rough? Especially as he got stabbed by the templars himself. So how many times has Anders died now? He could be like the guy from The Darkness! ("That was the eighth time I died...")

And it's an interesting idea, it is. I'm not sure it's my particular interpretation, is all. And I'm in no way influenced by the fact that I've written reams of fan-fic about Anders' motivation and didn't take that slant into consideration; nope, not at all.