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[Ryzaki]

Maybe.

Still doesn't explain Cullen not realizing Hawke's a mage when he/she throws fireballs right infront of his face though.

[Amondra]

GailRana wrote...

Amondra wrote...

Maybe that why the Knight-Commander was so crazy, she was surrounded by idiots.  Also no wonder why **** went down the way it did.

*Anders planting a bomb*

"You Ser what are you doing?"

"Uhh I didn't do it."

"I see carry on"

Hawke is facing palming his/herself to death.

yep, they are all just weak minded when it comes to Jedi Mage mind tricks.

Templar: "Let me see that walking staff."
Anders: [hand wave] "You don't need to see my staff."
Templar: "We don't need to see his staff."
Anders: "These aren't the Apostates you're looking for."
Templar: "These aren't the Apostates we're looking for."
Anders: "You want a copy of my manifesto"
Templar: "I want a copy of your manifesto"
Anders: "Move along."
Templar: "Move along... move along."

I love you forever!

[GailRana]

Ryzaki wrote...

Maybe.

Still doesn't explain Cullen not realizing Hawke's a mage when he/she throws fireballs right infront of his face though.

lol, the first fight when you get to the gates of kirkwall i was like "No, bethany, what are you doing!!! The guard is right there!"

[GailRana]

Amondra wrote...

GailRana wrote...

yep, they are all just weak minded when it comes to Jedi Mage mind tricks.

Templar: "Let me see that walking staff."
Anders: [hand wave] "You don't need to see my staff."
Templar: "We don't need to see his staff."
Anders: "These aren't the Apostates you're looking for."
Templar: "These aren't the Apostates we're looking for."
Anders: "You want a copy of my manifesto"
Templar: "I want a copy of your manifesto"
Anders: "Move along."
Templar: "Move along... move along."

I love you forever!

In other news i want a t-shirt or poster with Ander's manifesto written on it. Has anyone made either of those yet?

[Ryzaki]

GailRana wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Maybe.

Still doesn't explain Cullen not realizing Hawke's a mage when he/she throws fireballs right infront of his face though.

lol, the first fight when you get to the gates of kirkwall i was like "No, bethany, what are you doing!!! The guard is right there!"

 

Yeah that going ignored was kind of strange. 

Wonder if there was a way for BW only to make support skills like heroic aura/elemental weapons and the like work when in the presence of templars. 

[Amondra]

GailRana wrote...

Amondra wrote...

GailRana wrote...

yep, they are all just weak minded when it comes to Jedi Mage mind tricks.

Templar: "Let me see that walking staff."
Anders: [hand wave] "You don't need to see my staff."
Templar: "We don't need to see his staff."
Anders: "These aren't the Apostates you're looking for."
Templar: "These aren't the Apostates we're looking for."
Anders: "You want a copy of my manifesto"
Templar: "I want a copy of your manifesto"
Anders: "Move along."
Templar: "Move along... move along."

I love you forever!

In other news i want a t-shirt or poster with Ander's manifesto written on it. Has anyone made either of those yet?

I wants one >_>  Also in my tired state of typing like mad, I was listening to some good old viking metal and chanting and now I am picturing Anders Anders(wow thats confusing) dressed in good ol' viking attire and pillaging Templar holding places everywhere and Justice is a Valkyire....  Yeah my mind wanders

Also Anders having to give Justice sex ed while doing it with M!Hawke because he didn't know it could go there

[Dunizel]

LT123 wrote...

Is rival Anders Gallows speech different from friend Anders if not romanced and siding with mages?

If romanced, it is the same. 
If not romanced, I have not tried but I believe it doesn't change anything if you side with mages as a rival. He is apparently willing to forget the rivalry as long as you side with the mages. 
Still, it doesn't make much sense in that situation. He is just there as if the possession never happened and he is completely fine, completely forgetting his little Vengeance problem. You can't have everything as I said, so let's just say that priorities first, Anders is more worried about the battle now and the freedom of mages.

Also, maybe I am an horrible person, maybe my experiences in life changed my opinions a bit, but I fail to see the rivalmance as the most depressing thing ever. It is true that I gained rivalry only through quests and only when warning Anders about Justice. And at the start of Act2 I could give him kind answers and I was basically never a douche to him. What in my head my Hawke was trying to do was just warn him, he didn't want to see Anders' personality fade withouth him even noticing. 
Siding with the Templars though, yes, I think that really breaks him. In that case I feel like you are not helping him, but simply imposing your choice because at that point he doesn't trust himself anymore. When he mentions suicide, I think it is perfectly in character. Even if he follows Hawke in that moment, I doubt he can survive emotionally after slaying fellow mages.

For me the friendly romance, which I liked a lot too, was just as depressing to be honest...it's Anders that is depressing, no matter how you decide to face his problem.

Modifié par Dunizel, 05 juin 2011 - 10:42 .

[GailRana]

Amondra wrote...
*snip*

I wants one >_>  Also in my tired state of typing like mad, I was listening to some good old viking metal and chanting and now I am picturing Anders Anders(wow thats confusing) dressed in good ol' viking attire and pillaging Templar holding places everywhere and Justice is a Valkyire....  Yeah my mind wanders

Also Anders having to give Justice sex ed while doing it with M!Hawke because he didn't know it could go there

lmao! Tired state + typing = awesomeness

[highcastle]

Ryzaki wrote...

Maybe.

Still doesn't explain Cullen not realizing Hawke's a mage when he/she throws fireballs right infront of his face though.

Clearly Varric lied about this part. Mage!Hawke was just hitting thing upside the head or stabbing them with the pointy end of the staff while cursing under his breath about how much easier it would be if he could just shoot lightning at them. Varric didn't think that'd be exciting enough.

Really, you can explain 90% of gameplay v. story segregation through the simple mechanic of Varric did it.

[AndreaDraco]

ashyraine wrote...




by Purple-Meow

I'd usually say Zevran, of course, but in this picture Anders is the best one

[Aggie Punbot]

Please forgive the abrupt interruption but I thought I would share something with my fellow Anders fans. I was playing around with some new mods tonight and I found this image to be just utterly hilarious:



I'm not sure if most of the hilarity comes from the outfits themselves or just the look on Anders and Sebastian's respective faces but I get a feeling that my little pixelated men are *not* happy with their new (and temporary) wardrobe. XD

[highcastle]

Lol, I just can't take Anders seriously in that get-up. Not because of the bare chest (I used to throw him in the Chasind Robes in DAA), but because he's far too built. He'd never be able to fit in his standard robes. Plus, I love his regular look too much to want to change it. I like that he's thinner and a bit more distinct because of it. Looking at him with the standard male body just makes me tilt my head.

[Dunizel]

Sebastian's face is appropriate, he is so proud of his new clothes...or maybe he is trying not to look at them? xD
Anders looks good, reminds me a bit of a cowboy...though yes, he looks strange with the normal body model.

Modifié par Dunizel, 05 juin 2011 - 11:52 .

[ladyofpayne]

Two gift for my Garret!

[Patchwork]

I'll say something for the TnT mod I love the Fenris like gauntlets, perfect for my light armour rogue.

[ipgd]

Ryzaki wrote...

Batteries wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch
This explains like 75% of the game perfectly

*headdesks* 

So...according to the original game lore templars could sense mages automatically?

He cannot literally sense mages. The implication is that he is using intuition.

Dunizel wrote...

Also, maybe I am an horrible person, maybe my experiences in life changed my opinions a bit, but I fail to see the rivalmance as the most depressing thing ever. It is true that I gained rivalry only through quests and only when warning Anders about Justice. And at the start of Act2 I could give him kind answers and I was basically never a douche to him. What in my head my Hawke was trying to do was just warn him, he didn't want to see Anders' personality fade withouth him even noticing. 
Siding with the Templars though, yes, I think that really breaks him. In that case I feel like you are not helping him, but simply imposing your choice because at that point he doesn't trust himself anymore. When he mentions suicide, I think it is perfectly in character. Even if he follows Hawke in that moment, I doubt he can survive emotionally after slaying fellow mages.

For me the friendly romance, which I liked a lot too, was just as depressing to be honest...it's Anders that is depressing, no matter how you decide to face his problem.

You can rival Anders without the intention of being a douche to him, but either way, that's kind of how he interprets it. The game always assumes you are anti-mage on the rivalry path, and it always ends up driving him batty. He is evidently emotionally fragile and sensitive.

There are good reasons to want to rival Anders, but it still essentially strips him of his ability to function at the end. Friendship Anders is equally nuts, but in a way much less likely to assure his self-destruction. The knife is a kindness to him on the rival path.

[Ryzaki]

He's using intution?

And that dude in Denerim? He's blind so what's his excuse?

highcastle wrote...
Clearly Varric lied about this part. Mage!Hawke was just hitting thing upside the head or stabbing them with the pointy end of the staff while cursing under his breath about how much easier it would be if he could just shoot lightning at them. Varric didn't think that'd be exciting enough.

Really, you can explain 90% of gameplay v. story segregation through the simple mechanic of Varric did it.

 

True. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 juin 2011 - 02:45 .

[ipgd]

Ryzaki wrote...

He's using intution?

And that dude in Denerim? He's blind so what's his excuse?

He also had crazy amounts of intuition in areas unrelated to mages. Being blind didn't much slow him down.

If templars could literally sense mages, a) there would be a literal statement as such in the codex or game somewhere because that would be hugely relevant to the world, no one would be worried about mages hiding among them if they could not hide.

It's just like a gaydar. But for mages.

[Ryzaki]

ipgd wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

He's using intution?

And that dude in Denerim? He's blind so what's his excuse?

He also had crazy amounts of intuition in areas unrelated to mages. Being blind didn't much slow him down.

If templars could literally sense mages, a) there would be a literal statement as such in the codex or game somewhere because that would be hugely relevant to the world, no one would be worried about mages hiding among them if they could not hide.

It's just like a gaydar. But for mages.

 

 

Point. But...god that analogy *dies*.  

Probably works like Auralis' intuition then. 

...And in that case if without this intuition he's a bad templar...the question remains why don't any of Kirkwall's templar have this?  

@Dunizel: You're not the only one who doesn't see it as the most depressing thing either. Maybe I read too much dark romances and had too many bad experiences but it's nowhere near the most depressing thing I've seen. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 juin 2011 - 02:59 .

[highcastle]

ipgd wrote...

It's just like a gaydar. But for mages.

Maydar? Magdar? Magedar? 

It just doesn't have the same ring.

[ipgd]

Intuition isn't a guess. To stretch this ridiculous analogy to its limits, if a man with a limp wrist, gay lisp, assless chaps and a glittering pink bra entered my place of work and began singing and dancing It's Raining Men, I could similarly conclude that I am consorting with a homosexual without actually needing to see him engage in any homosexual acts. I do not have magical gay-sensing abilities, this is simply something conferred upon me by virtue of having eyes and a plurality of brain cells.

Kirkwall's templars don't notice because a) Hawke/Bethany were trained from birth to hide that they are mages and are better at it than a warden whom lived in the Circle all of his life and had no reason to learn how to hide himself after joining the wardens, or Varric. Take your pick.

[legbamel]

Two men stride down a dusty path south of Denerim. Suddenly, they stop.
"My magedar senses are tingling, Stokes."
"As are mine, Abrams, as are mine."
The two men whirl to find a small boy in the road behind them.
"Ah, we've caught him just in time!"
"Indeed, Stokes. To the tower!"

Ryzaki, I tend to think that the abundance of magic in Kirkwall, the very thinness of the veil, disrupts any sensitivity to the presence or location of a specific source.

Modifié par legbamel, 05 juin 2011 - 03:04 .

[Ryzaki]

ipgd wrote...

Intuition isn't a guess. To stretch this ridiculous analogy to its limits, if a man with a limp wrist, gay lisp, assless chaps and a glittering pink bra entered my place of work and began singing and dancing It's Raining Men, I could similarly conclude that I am consorting with a homosexual without actually needing to see him engage in any homosexual acts. I do not have magical gay-sensing abilities, this is simply something conferred upon me by virtue of having eyes and a plurality of brain cells.

Kirkwall's templars don't notice because a) Hawke/Bethany were trained from birth to hide that they are mages and are better at it than a warden whom lived in the Circle all of his life and had no reason to learn how to hide himself after joining the wardens, or Varric. Take your pick.

 

Despite the fact that the Warden is free to wear any kind of armor whatsoever and by the time he/she meets the blind dude can be a Arcane Warrior? Who wouldn't be wearing robes and a staff?  The Warden (unlike Hawke ironically) isn't forced into wearing mage armor. It wouldn't always be something "obvious". The Warden (unlike Hawke) doesn't enter combat right infront of templar dude either. Nor does he run around with a "known apostate." The Warden can just be merrily walking along in leather armor and Bryant still knows he/she is a mage. 

For people who are trained to hide their mageness Hawke doesn't go about it very well. "Friends of mine are mages." what a nice way to get yourself interrogated Hawke. As is walking around with the known apostate. (and the Kirkwall templars learn Beth is a mage *somehow* what is this somehow? Never explained). 

Everything shouldn't need to be explained by Varric. To me that's a copout. 

And actually them being able to sense mages wouldn't be totally ridiculous. What apostate is really gonna hang around a templar close enough and long enough for them to sense it? I'm not saying this is an ability that works over large distance and instantly but if a mage is close enough to a templar and the templar is focusing on them yes I can see him/her being able to sense magic. And it would explain apostates needing to stay a certain distance from templars. Bethany's whole "so I know when to hide" comment. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 juin 2011 - 03:15 .

[highcastle]

Ryzaki wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Intuition isn't a guess. To stretch this ridiculous analogy to its limits, if a man with a limp wrist, gay lisp, assless chaps and a glittering pink bra entered my place of work and began singing and dancing It's Raining Men, I could similarly conclude that I am consorting with a homosexual without actually needing to see him engage in any homosexual acts. I do not have magical gay-sensing abilities, this is simply something conferred upon me by virtue of having eyes and a plurality of brain cells.

Kirkwall's templars don't notice because a) Hawke/Bethany were trained from birth to hide that they are mages and are better at it than a warden whom lived in the Circle all of his life and had no reason to learn how to hide himself after joining the wardens, or Varric. Take your pick.

 

Despite the fact that the Warden is free to wear any kind of armor whatsoever and by the time he/she meets the blind dude can be a Arcane Warrior? Who wouldn't be wearing robes and a staff?  The Warden (unlike Hawke ironically) isn't forced into wearing mage armor. It wouldn't always be something "obvious". The Warden (unlike Hawke) doesn't enter combat right infront of templar dude either. Nor does he run around with a "known apostate." The Warden can just be merrily walking along in leather armor and Bryant still knows he/she is a mage. 

For people who are trained to hide their mageness Hawke doesn't go about it very well. "Friends of mine are mages." what a nice way to get yourself interrogated Hawke. As is walking around with the known apostate. (and the Kirkwall templars learn Beth is a mage *somehow* what is this somehow? Never explained). 

Everything shouldn't need to be explained by Varric. To me that's a copout. 

And actually them being able to sense mages wouldn't be totally ridiculous. What apostate is really gonna hang around a templar close enough and long enough for them to sense it? I'm not saying this is an ability that works over large distance but if a mage is close enough to a templar and the templar is focusing on them yes I can see him/her being able to sense magic. And it would explain apostates needing to stay a certain distance from templars. 

It's been a while since I played DAO with a mage warden. Bryant was the templar at the Lothering chantry, IIRC. At this point, it's early in the game and mage!Warden would be unused to spending any time outside the Tower. It's possible they're just bad at hiding their mage-ness.

Hawke doesn't have to say "Friends of mine are mages." If you/he think it's too big a risk, then play it safe. But some Hawke's are outspoken and perhaps over-confident. That's where character personalization comes into play.

As for Anders being a known apostate, the way I always figured it was that the templars knew of him, but didn't know what he looked like specifically.

[ipgd]

Because the game doesn't have flags to account for exactly the getup you are wearing? They can "sense" the Warden is a mage regardless of what he is wearing for the same reason no one says anything if you walk up and start chatting with them while completely naked. There may also be different kinds of mannerisms that people who have lived in the Circle pick up.

It's not some magic mage sensing ability, though, because if that existed, the world as it is could not exist as it does. If all a templar had to do was get close to someone to sense that they are a mage, mages would not be able to hide.

It is just gameplay/story segregation, something that exists in every game. There are points where you just have to suspend your disbelief. With Varric, you at least have an in-world justification for said segregation, instead of having to handwave it and ignore it entirely.