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[highcastle]

Arquen wrote...

Oh god, I just got utterly sucked into tv tropes. Curse you Anders thread!

To which I can only say, Mwahahahahahaha!

Edit: Balls...of course I get top for my evilness.


By our own AerdrieDarkmoon featuring Noah and Anders from ADRL.

Modifié par highcastle, 05 juin 2011 - 06:13 .

[Sarielle]

SurelyForth wrote...

Sarielle wrote...

Quick question to you Anders gals and guys. Did this last patch fix the rivalmance for him that I heard was bugged? I want to try it but don't want to bother yet unless it's fixed.

The patch notes suggest it might be, but just thought I'd spare myself the trouble if you guys already have some saves you could check out

You can get him to side with the templars if you rival him, yes. 

AFAIK that's the only big change (he'll give you friendship dialogue at the Gallows if you've sided w. the mages).

You, and everyone else who answered, are awesome. Thank you

Modifié par Sarielle, 05 juin 2011 - 06:12 .

[Evilnor]

So one thing confuses me: does Leiliana actually think that Anders is a Resolutionist? I mean, he ends up doing something the Resolutionists might have done eventually, but it was my understanding that the Resolutionists were far more militant than Anders had been. Where they turned to blood magic and attempted to assassinate an agent of the Divine, Anders was still trying to sway people with words.

[highcastle]

Evilnor wrote...

So one thing confuses me: does Leiliana actually think that Anders is a Resolutionist? I mean, he ends up doing something the Resolutionists might have done eventually, but it was my understanding that the Resolutionists were far more militant than Anders had been. Where they turned to blood magic and attempted to assassinate an agent of the Divine, Anders was still trying to sway people with words.

Isn't he a resolutionist by this point? He shares their goals, if not the precise means of the others we meet during this quest. Just because he goes about his aims in different ways, doesn't mean he isn't a part of the same broad category. Kind of like how someone in RL may support animal rights without being a member of PETA or even approving of their methods.

[Dunizel]

ElleMullineux wrote...

From the Sebastian/Lelianna quest I get the impression that they know who Anders is and he is being left alone so they can spy on him and the other Resolutionists - which works to the extent that they have a tip-off that there is going to be an attack.
It then makes sense to me that Bethany is taken to the circle after the expedition because they now know that Hawke is associating with someone they're watching and they want some leverage over them.

This made me  think. 
What if the Divine is really just watching and waiting for something big to happen, and she knows it will happen in Kirkwall given the situation, to justify the Exalted March?
Ten years, I doubt that she wasn't informed of the situation in the Gallows, with Meredith speaking with her idol (even Cullen knows it), and with the mages made Tranquil, or resorting to Blood Magic.

Heidenreich wrote...
I have no idea if you have to rival him or if it can be done on the friendship path. I'm still frantically trying to finish my mage origin and elf origin playthroughs so I can have Hawke/Amell awesomes, and Zevran bug-fixed cameo for my  CEwarden ;p

Is the Zevran cameo working after the patch? I tried to do his quest and nothing changed, but it wasn't a new game so I can't be sure. I wouldn't want to start again, reach again Act3, and discover again that it is not working properly :\\

[Reflection Muse]

Hello my fellow Anderstians! 

Well, you've done it! I'm usually someone who doesn't post on forums much, but after finding this thread and reading through it the past few days, I feel like I've found a home and a group of people I actually want to be a part of. (I literally told my boyfriend "Oh my god, I found my people!" ) It'll be so nice to chat with (and profusely gush to) people who really understand my love for Anders.

You all are amazing, seriously. Between the art, the fanfics, the videos, and even the lore discussions, I've enjoyed this group so much. I only regret that I didn't find you all sooner! I'm working on the first chapter of a F!Hawke/Anders fanfic that I can't wait to share with you all.

I look forward to getting to know you all more, and sharing in all the Anders-goodness in this thread. <3

Modifié par Reflection Muse, 05 juin 2011 - 07:10 .

[SurelyForth]

Hi, Reflection Muse! Welcome to the madhouse!

Modifié par SurelyForth, 05 juin 2011 - 07:18 .

[ashyraine]

Reflection Muse wrote...

Hello my fellow Anderstians! 

Well, you've done it! I'm usually someone who doesn't post on forums much, but after finding this thread and reading through it the past few days, I feel like I've found a home and a group of people I actually want to be a part of. (I literally told my boyfriend "Oh my god, I found my people!" ) It'll be so nice to chat with (and profusely gush to) people who really understand my love for Anders.

You all are amazing, seriously. Between the art, the fanfics, the videos, and even the lore discussions, I've enjoyed this group so much. I only regret that I didn't find you all sooner! I'm working on the first chapter of a F!Hawke/Anders fanfic that I can't wait to share with you all.

I look forward to getting to know you all more, and sharing in all the Anders-goodness in this thread. <3

Welcome to the love boat nut house temple of anderstian faith
err the Anders thread Might I also suggest the Everybody's Kissing Everybody group on Facebook if you have that.

[highcastle]

ElleMullineux wrote...

highcastle wrote...

Evilnor wrote...

So one thing confuses me: does Leiliana actually think that Anders is a Resolutionist? I mean, he ends up doing something the Resolutionists might have done eventually, but it was my understanding that the Resolutionists were far more militant than Anders had been. Where they turned to blood magic and attempted to assassinate an agent of the Divine, Anders was still trying to sway people with words.

Isn't he a resolutionist by this point? He shares their goals, if not the precise means of the others we meet during this quest. Just because he goes about his aims in different ways, doesn't mean he isn't a part of the same broad category. Kind of like how someone in RL may support animal rights without being a member of PETA or even approving of their methods.

I see a lot of his conflict in Act 2 and 3 coming from his knowing the extreme measures he will have to take, and trying to cope with it and finding the resolve to follow through with something he doesn't want to have to do. So yes, he shares their goals albeit reluctantly at first.

Sorry, I kept meaning to respond to this, but every time I post something in the Do You Like Hawke As A Character thread, someone else responds and I haven't walked away from it once.

I agree, I think the crux of Anders as a character rests on his struggle to do the right thing for the mages while also doing the right thing in general. And in the end, he's not sure he can reconcile these two. People aren't listening to rationally worded responses (or crazed rhetoric, I suppose), so he resorts to violence. And it's his guilt over this which leads him to expect death, perhaps even wish for it.

[Reflection Muse]

SurelyForth wrote...

Hi, Reflection Muse! Welcome to the madhouse!

Thank you! The crazier the better, I say. Definitely my kin.

ElleMullineux wrote...

Hmmmmmmmmm more Anders flavoured goodness? Excellent

Yeeeees! It's like chocolate; there is no such thing as too much.

ashyraine wrote...

Welcome to the love boat nut house temple of anderstian faith
err the Anders thread Might I also suggest the Everybody's Kissing Everybody group on Facebook if you have that.

Oh. My. God. That's awesome. How did I not know about that? Request sent! Thanks!

[signcherie]

It's been a very long time since I posted here but I thought some of you might be interested in knowing about the gloriousness that was my straight husband turning gay for Anders.

It started with Awakenings, when his dwarf Warden offered to lie to the templars to help Anders escape, and Anders still showed up to help fight the darkspawn. He said, "This guy is awesome," and Anders became a permanent member of his party.

Cue DA2, where I had to work REALLY REALLY hard not to spoil a single thing about the game beforehand. Hence, when he met Anders, he had no idea that Anders had merged with Justice. When he found out, he declared Anders to be "badass," and to my great surprise, dove for the first flirt option like he was afraid it might disappear. He then declared that he was going to romance Anders because he was just too cool.

It got a bit rocky around the end of Act 2, when hubby got a little grumpy because he was sure that part would be awesome in an Isabela romance, but Act 3 made up for it. He was playing a Chantry-hating, anti-templar mage, and when the Chantry went KABOOM, well, you should have seen his face. He then became baffled at the game for seeming to suggest that he ought to be angry at Anders and kept looking for the dialogue option that said, "Dude, that was GREAT!" He kept asking why on earth Anders wouldn't have told him what he was doing. When I pointed out that he didn't want Hawke to get in any trouble, he said, "I know. He's so sweet."

I found the whole thing adorable because he's so straight IRL, but he just wanted a claim on what he thought was the coolest character in the game. And it's incredibly awesome to be able to share my Anders love with my husband.

Anyway, I thought some of you might appreciate the gloriousness of the whole thing.

[GailRana]

Reflection Muse wrote...
*snip*

Oh. My. God. That's awesome. How did I not know about that? Request sent! Thanks!

make that 2 requests sent

[YamiSnuffles]

signcherie wrote...

It's been a very long time since I posted here but I thought some of you might be interested in knowing about the gloriousness that was my straight husband turning gay for Anders.
-snip tale of awesomeness-
I found the whole thing adorable because he's so straight IRL, but he just wanted a claim on what he thought was the coolest character in the game. And it's incredibly awesome to be able to share my Anders love with my husband.

Anyway, I thought some of you might appreciate the gloriousness of the whole thing.

Ha, that's fantastic. I remember you mentioning the start of this glorious romance and I wondered how it turned out. Go Anders and your husband!

Modifié par YamiSnuffles, 05 juin 2011 - 08:26 .

[Evilnor]

highcastle wrote...

ElleMullineux wrote...

highcastle wrote...

Evilnor wrote...

So one thing confuses me: does Leiliana actually think that Anders is a Resolutionist? I mean, he ends up doing something the Resolutionists might have done eventually, but it was my understanding that the Resolutionists were far more militant than Anders had been. Where they turned to blood magic and attempted to assassinate an agent of the Divine, Anders was still trying to sway people with words.

Isn't he a resolutionist by this point? He shares their goals, if not the precise means of the others we meet during this quest. Just because he goes about his aims in different ways, doesn't mean he isn't a part of the same broad category. Kind of like how someone in RL may support animal rights without being a member of PETA or even approving of their methods.

I see a lot of his conflict in Act 2 and 3 coming from his knowing the extreme measures he will have to take, and trying to cope with it and finding the resolve to follow through with something he doesn't want to have to do. So yes, he shares their goals albeit reluctantly at first.

Sorry, I kept meaning to respond to this, but every time I post something in the Do You Like Hawke As A Character thread, someone else responds and I haven't walked away from it once.

I agree, I think the crux of Anders as a character rests on his struggle to do the right thing for the mages while also doing the right thing in general. And in the end, he's not sure he can reconcile these two. People aren't listening to rationally worded responses (or crazed rhetoric, I suppose), so he resorts to violence. And it's his guilt over this which leads him to expect death, perhaps even wish for it.

I know it's a given that Anders is a Libertarian.  The Resolutionists are an offshoot of th Libertarian party, advocating violent methods, fear, and blood magic to get their point across.  I'm not sure if it's meant to be a strong-arm tactic in order to intimidate the Chantry, or what, but it clearly wasn't working.  This also implies that they're a cohesive, organized group.  I just don't see Anders communicating with them or being a part of their group and attending the blood mage-love meetings.  He seems more like a lone gunman at that point than anything else, drawing a distinct line against blood magic falling under the heading of the "any means necessary" he himself is willing to undertake. 

In fact, I even question how intimately he was involved in the mage underground.  Considering the fact it was already there by the time he arrived, I don't see him being a leader of it, though it may have gotten more active after he arrived.  If you read the codex entries, he even drops out of the mage underground for awhile, and it keeps going.  The way the Dissent quest goes in Act 2, it gives me the impression that Anders is only peripherally involved in the mage underground, isnt' completely trusted, and isn't really supposed to be doing what he's doing right then.

So, I guess my point is, I strongly doubt Anders is part of the Resolutionists as they exist as an organization, even though the end goals may be the same.  Like the difference between (to extend the PETA metaphor) a lobbyist for animal rights and people who use bomb threats on animal testing labs, maybe.  Their goals are the same, but one does not condone the actions of another, and they probably aren't part of the same group.

[Reflection Muse]

highcastle wrote...
I agree, I think the crux of Anders as a character rests on his struggle to do the right thing for the mages while also doing the right thing in general. And in the end, he's not sure he can reconcile these two. People aren't listening to rationally worded responses (or crazed rhetoric, I suppose), so he resorts to violence. And it's his guilt over this which leads him to expect death, perhaps even wish for it.

This is beautiful, and so true. I totally agree. I've always seen Anders as having resigned himself so deeply to his purpose and cause, and in turn his guilt over what he feels must be done, that he considers those to be his only defining qualities anymore. Hawke starts to show him other defining qualities, things he can be proud of, and it makes his guilt worse. I always imagined his inner monologue to be something like "Someone has to step up and do what needs to be done or nothing will change; change of this scope takes ultimate sacrifice. That sacrifice will be my life, and I accept that. It will be a small price to pay for a changed future, a better future, for all."

I've always found the concept of helping him cope with his guilt and choices, encouraging him to forgive himself, and teaching him to see the good that others see in him, a very interesting and appealing path. Granted, I'm of the "just about anyone can find redemption with the right support" mind-set.

[highcastle]

Evilnor wrote...

I know it's a given that Anders is a Libertarian.  The Resolutionists are an offshoot of th Libertarian party, advocating violent methods, fear, and blood magic to get their point across.  I'm not sure if it's meant to be a strong-arm tactic in order to intimidate the Chantry, or what, but it clearly wasn't working.  This also implies that they're a cohesive, organized group.  I just don't see Anders communicating with them or being a part of their group and attending the blood mage-love meetings.  He seems more like a lone gunman at that point than anything else, drawing a distinct line against blood magic falling under the heading of the "any means necessary" he himself is willing to undertake. 

In fact, I even question how intimately he was involved in the mage underground.  Considering the fact it was already there by the time he arrived, I don't see him being a leader of it, though it may have gotten more active after he arrived.  If you read the codex entries, he even drops out of the mage underground for awhile, and it keeps going.  The way the Dissent quest goes in Act 2, it gives me the impression that Anders is only peripherally involved in the mage underground, isnt' completely trusted, and isn't really supposed to be doing what he's doing right then.

So, I guess my point is, I strongly doubt Anders is part of the Resolutionists as they exist as an organization, even though the end goals may be the same.  Like the difference between (to extend the PETA metaphor) a lobbyist for animal rights and people who use bomb threats on animal testing labs, maybe.  Their goals are the same, but one does not condone the actions of another, and they probably aren't part of the same group.

I'll admit, my recall of the fraternities isn't the best right now. I didn't realize blood magic was a given for the Resolutionists. Going by the name alone, I figured they supported separation from the Chantry/Circles by violent means if neccessary. As Anders in Act 3 was already contemplating violence, I felt this put him in their camp. That doesn't mean I believe he's associated with any of them formally. Far from it. It's always been clear to me that Anders flies solo. But you can be a member of a group without being affiliated with other members.

I guess I'm just reminded of Stranger Than Fiction at this point, when Harold asks Anna if she's part of an anarchist group and her response is. "Anarchists have groups? Do they assemble? Wouldn't that completely miss the point?" I guess a part of me equated the Resolutionists to something like this. They have loose goals but no organization. This is pure head canon with not enough research to back it up, admittedly.

And I have no idea how involved Anders was in the underground. Enough that he regularly sneaks apostates out of the Tower. Yes, he backs off after Dissent. If anything, I think this contributes to his sense of guilt and helplessness later in the game.

[signcherie]

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Ha, that's fantastic. I remember you mentioning the start of this glorious romance and I wondered how it turned out. Go Anders and your husband!

Thanks Yami. I guess it's not as exciting to, well, anyone who's not me, heh--but I mean, my husband turned gay for Anders! I'm going to be excited about that for a long time. 

[berelinde]

signcherie wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...

Ha, that's fantastic. I remember you mentioning the start of this glorious romance and I wondered how it turned out. Go Anders and your husband!

Thanks Yami. I guess it's not as exciting to, well, anyone who's not me, heh--but I mean, my husband turned gay for Anders! I'm going to be excited about that for a long time. 

I wish my fiance would go gay for Anders. He giggles hysterically at Merrill, but he's in the "Bad decision; not interested" camp when it comes to Anders, I'm afraid. Still, I suppose it's better than what he has to say about Fenris. Getting him to play DA2 at all is murder, though. He doesn't like talkative NPCs.

Starting to recover from my pro-templar rival-Anders PT. Thought about doing a thoroughly grim post-Gallows fanfic as catharsis for it, but I'm feeling better now so I probably won't.

[signcherie]

berelinde wrote...

I wish my fiance would go gay for Anders. He giggles hysterically at Merrill, but he's in the "Bad decision; not interested" camp when it comes to Anders, I'm afraid. Still, I suppose it's better than what he has to say about Fenris. Getting him to play DA2 at all is murder, though. He doesn't like talkative NPCs.

Starting to recover from my pro-templar rival-Anders PT. Thought about doing a thoroughly grim post-Gallows fanfic as catharsis for it, but I'm feeling better now so I probably won't.

I wish everyone could have their boyfriend/fiance/husband go gay for Anders. It's...so much fun.

I have to admire you for having the strength to do a pro-templar Anders rivalry PT. I don't think I can do it. I'm a wimp like that.

[Sialater]

Anyone have something with Silly Anders? I need cheering up. One of my fics is getting panned for not having enough sex.