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[elenilote]

AndreaDraco wrote...

elenilote wrote...

 

nommy goodness from givethemhorns.deviantart.com/

Very good art! The details of the fabrics, the clothes and the staves have been beautifully depicted!

Mmmm and this is my desktop background

[elenilote]

I am getting one from her!!! Oh it will be amazingly awesome. *hugs Elle*

[elenilote]

I also have an Anders/Danny one ready - just need it cleaned up so you will get more goodness tomorrow!

[aimelle]

Ryzaki wrote...

berelinde wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Anders himself basically says he's going to kill himself if you side with the templars

 

Where was this? 

On all dialogue paths, he says "If I die during the battle or afterward, know that I always loved you." That's paraphrased slightly because I can't remember the exact quote, but it is very, very close. If you choose the purple "We'll probably die," he literally says "I cannot live past this."

How could he say it more plainly?

 

That to me doesn't mean he's gonna kill himself. More like he expects to be killed. 

The "I cannot live past this." is far more of a "I'll kill myself." line but as said you only get it when choosing the humor dialogue. 

Though I'm glad they did it this way. It leaves it open to interpretation.  

It's a lot more straight forward in the non-romance path.

Hawke: We must show that the revolution failed. Then the mages can work for peaceful change.
Anders: Perhaps they will. But I will not be part of it. I will do my best to make up for the damage I caused, but I cannot live past this. Vengeance will always be inside me. I cannot risk losing myself to him again. But if I die—now or after—perhaps it will be Justice and not Vengeance who rises from my corpse. Goodbye Hawke. You've been a better friend than I ever knew.

Modifié par aimelle, 07 juin 2011 - 02:32 .

[ashyraine]

Mmmm Anders and Danny You made him the favorite of all my (way too many) Hawkes

[elenilote]

Awww - thanks! And if you do not mind, these stories are slightly AU - I tend to ignore Justice's existence and also I am playing a bit with the timelines...

So, here is a little teaser from the story that will be up soon-ish (still unbeta'd so be forgiving)

"Anders, love?"
"Mmhhmm?"

"Can I ask you something?"
"You already did, but go on"

"Would you move in with me, here? Its a big house and with Mother gone..."
He feels Anders go still at the question, and he bites his lip in worry.
"I mean you spend most if your time here anyway and it's something people do when they are serious about one another, and I am. Serious about you I mean, I really do love you and want to spend all my time with you and..."
"Shush Danny, you're babbling. I...I'll think about it OK? Not tonight though, I think it's best discussed when you're sober-"
"I am not drunk! I barely had any wine..."
"you're high as a kite on sugar, sweetness and I'd rather you make no big decisions when you're like this."
"But-"
"Shush now and let me wash your hair, it's all sticky and horrible."

(Please note this was written on my crappy iPhone, on a plane at 6am )

[ashyraine]

@elenilote you keep writing like that and you can do whatever you want AU or no Fanfic is for writing what you really wanted to happen anyway, right?

[elenilote]

ashyraine wrote...

@elenilote you keep writing like that and you can do whatever you want AU or no Fanfic is for writing what you really wanted to happen anyway, right?

Luffs you!

[andrastepreserveme]

@elenilote Brill stuff bebeh!

[Sialater]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

aimelle wrote...



It's a lot more straight forward in the non-romance path.

Hawke: We must show that the revolution failed. Then the mages can work for peaceful change.
Anders: Perhaps they will. But I will not be part of it. I will do my best to make up for the damage I caused, but I cannot live past this. Vengeance will always be inside me. I cannot risk losing myself to him again. But if I die—now or after—perhaps it will be Justice and not Vengeance who rises from my corpse. Goodbye Hawke. You've been a better friend than I ever knew.

It hurts just to watch. Ow, my tender heart. And thank the Creators for youtube. I could never have tried that ending myself.

I think Rivalry may be better for him, but I can't side with the Templars.  Too bad just because you side with the mages he's programmed to think you've just OKed everything he is and everything he just did.  I think you can still love him there, but not be OK with what just happened.

[elenilote]

mandamcmoo wrote...

@elenilote Brill stuff bebeh!

Tank yooo sweeteh! 

[Arquen]

Alright alright so many good songs im going to make an Anders playlist after my Fenris playlist. I rivaled Anders once and it really is so tragic I don't think I could do it again. I haven't really romanced him but I love him as a bff and partner in.. crime. I can't equivocate myself to an anderstian but I hate to see him suffer so much. I just wanted to hug him after the chantry thing when he is so prepared to die.

[Sarielle]

Batteries wrote...

If only Hawke had something better to say than YOU HAVE TO PAY when you kill him on the friendship route.

Little late here (thread moves so dang fast) but this line didn't bother me at all. My only/canon playthrough so far my girl didn't romance Anders (she accepted his "no, I'll just hurt you") but he and Varric were her best buds. She sounded emotional enough when she said it that it still worked for me.

Imo, if you do it as a friend you are saying, "Anders is no longer in control." Your friend Anders was a good man, and would not have blown up innocent people. It's as much a mercy killing as anything (in my humble opinion, of course).

[Sialater]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

Sialater wrote...


I think Rivalry may be better for him, but I can't side with the Templars.  Too bad just because you side with the mages he's programmed to think you've just OKed everything he is and everything he just did.  I think you can still love him there, but not be OK with what just happened.

That's a flaw with the friendship/rivalry system in general. You can agree with a companion on one topic and disagree on another and it's not acknowledged.

Exactly... so... in my headcanon, after it was all said and done, Margaret took Anders aside and ripped him a new one. 

Then there was great make-up sexing. 

[SurelyForth]

Sarielle wrote...

Batteries wrote...

If only Hawke had something better to say than YOU HAVE TO PAY when you kill him on the friendship route.

Little late here (thread moves so dang fast) but this line didn't bother me at all. My only/canon playthrough so far my girl didn't romance Anders (she accepted his "no, I'll just hurt you") but he and Varric were her best buds. She sounded emotional enough when she said it that it still worked for me.

Imo, if you do it as a friend you are saying, "Anders is no longer in control." Your friend Anders was a good man, and would not have blown up innocent people. It's as much a mercy killing as anything (in my humble opinion, of course).

That's actually not entirely true. Friended Anders is pretty peacefully merged with Justice and he agrees that the Chantry explosion, while terrible, is what had to be done. A rivaled Anders, however, is losing control to Justice, who just takes over to accomplish it.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

For me, the "you have to pay" line is actually probably one of the best possible things you could say, without getting "overly specific" (by overly specific, I mean that there are a lot of great things that could be said if you were just straight-up writing the scene, but this is a game so all responses have to work for a huge chunk of people who may be having very different emotions and justifications for what they're doing.) It's the kindest thing you can say to him in a way, because he already believes that what he has done was wrong, and that he should pay for it. Saying "you have to pay" gives him peace... both the non-violent man he was before Justice and the man he is now understand what he did, feel guilty about it, and feel the punishment is appropriate.

Reaffirming that you think that the Justice part of him was a bad idea, or that he's lost himself, or whatever other thing... that would just make him feel bad before he dies, feel another twinge of failure and guilt. The "you have to pay" gives him peace, I like to think. Makes him feel like what he did was an honest trade. Even if you don't agree, it's nice to let him die thinking that, at the very least.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 07 juin 2011 - 03:39 .

[Sialater]

ElleMullineux wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Sarielle wrote...

Batteries wrote...

If only Hawke had something better to say than YOU HAVE TO PAY when you kill him on the friendship route.

Little late here (thread moves so dang fast) but this line didn't bother me at all. My only/canon playthrough so far my girl didn't romance Anders (she accepted his "no, I'll just hurt you") but he and Varric were her best buds. She sounded emotional enough when she said it that it still worked for me.

Imo, if you do it as a friend you are saying, "Anders is no longer in control." Your friend Anders was a good man, and would not have blown up innocent people. It's as much a mercy killing as anything (in my humble opinion, of course).

That's actually not entirely true. Friended Anders is pretty peacefully merged with Justice and he agrees that the Chantry explosion, while terrible, is what had to be done. A rivaled Anders, however, is losing control to Justice, who just takes over to accomplish it.

Friendmanced Anders makes me go weak at the knees and misty-eyed for having the strength of conviction to do the right thing for the mages (playing as a temperate non-mage, it suprised me how much I agreed with him at the end), even though it means he has to do something which itself is pretty horrific. It takes real courage to be able to make that decision and to take that step, rivalmanced doing it destroys him, friendmanced he can accept that it was necessary and carry on the fight.
I'll happily bang on about how I think Anders act is the best thing since sliced cheese, but the crux of the matter is he can deal with what he has done if he has your support.
Soo... squeeeva-la-revolution!

[kromify]

ElleMullineux wrote...

Friendmanced Anders makes me go weak at the knees and misty-eyed for having the strength of conviction to do the right thing for the mages (playing as a temperate non-mage, it suprised me how much I agreed with him at the end), even though it means he has to do something which itself is pretty horrific. It takes real courage to be able to make that decision and to take that step, rivalmanced doing it destroys him, friendmanced he can accept that it was necessary and carry on the fight.
I'll happily bang on about how I think Anders act is the best thing since sliced cheese, but the crux of the matter is he can deal with what he has done if he has your support.
Soo... squeeeva-la-revolution!

i love passionate people... viva la revolution!
first time i was too shocked (read naive and blithe) to decisively choose templars or mages. i chose anders. now that i think on it more i choose mages.



i wonder if there's a viva la revolution banner out there somewhere. (i should certainly hope so)   if there is i want it. now.  

Modifié par kromify, 07 juin 2011 - 04:00 .

[cmessaz]

ElleMullineux wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Sarielle wrote...

Batteries wrote...

If only Hawke had something better to say than YOU HAVE TO PAY when you kill him on the friendship route.

Little late here (thread moves so dang fast) but this line didn't bother me at all. My only/canon playthrough so far my girl didn't romance Anders (she accepted his "no, I'll just hurt you") but he and Varric were her best buds. She sounded emotional enough when she said it that it still worked for me.

Imo, if you do it as a friend you are saying, "Anders is no longer in control." Your friend Anders was a good man, and would not have blown up innocent people. It's as much a mercy killing as anything (in my humble opinion, of course).

That's actually not entirely true. Friended Anders is pretty peacefully merged with Justice and he agrees that the Chantry explosion, while terrible, is what had to be done. A rivaled Anders, however, is losing control to Justice, who just takes over to accomplish it.

Friendmanced Anders makes me go weak at the knees and misty-eyed for having the strength of conviction to do the right thing for the mages (playing as a temperate non-mage, it suprised me how much I agreed with him at the end), even though it means he has to do something which itself is pretty horrific. It takes real courage to be able to make that decision and to take that step, rivalmanced doing it destroys him, friendmanced he can accept that it was necessary and carry on the fight.
I'll happily bang on about how I think Anders act is the best thing since sliced cheese, but the crux of the matter is he can deal with what he has done if he has your support.
Soo... squeeeva-la-revolution!

I'm going to have to agree with this. Especially the squeeva-la-revolution part

But seriously I'm very pro-mage, and have been since Origins. I can go the other route, and frequently do. But I far prefer friendmance.

Edit: you know I can't say I prefer the friendmance, but I DO prefer to side with the mages at the end. The rivalmance is...really hot to me. Maybe I'm just sick.

Modifié par cmessaz, 07 juin 2011 - 04:07 .