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[cmessaz]

I was such a chicken when I tried the rival path for the first time. I had to have friends on steam provide me....support. I was surprised at how it went, not nearly as bad as I expected. After doing it though, I have to say that siding with Meredith felt...wrong. It's probably just my personal feelings on mages, idk. I mean I certainly understand people doing it, it's just something that felt wrong for *me*. I had to kill off Bethany in the deep roads to even do it, I couldn't see agreeing if she was alive. And really I still don't have a good rp reason. Then the implied Anders death at the end...yeah I think my rivals will side with mages at the end mostly from now on. And as far as killing him, if it were more emotional to do so I might consider it. But imo it isn't, so I won't be doing it. Not to say I don't understand others doing it of course, just...not me. Like some people refused to spare Loghain.

[Heidenreich]

cmessaz wrote...

I was such a chicken when I tried the rival path for the first time. I had to have friends on steam provide me....support. I was surprised at how it went, not nearly as bad as I expected. After doing it though, I have to say that siding with Meredith felt...wrong. It's probably just my personal feelings on mages, idk. I mean I certainly understand people doing it, it's just something that felt wrong for *me*. I had to kill off Bethany in the deep roads to even do it, I couldn't see agreeing if she was alive. And really I still don't have a good rp reason. Then the implied Anders death at the end...yeah I think my rivals will side with mages at the end mostly from now on. And as far as killing him, if it were more emotional to do so I might consider it. But imo it isn't, so I won't be doing it. Not to say I don't understand others doing it of course, just...not me. Like some people refused to spare Loghain.

Rp reason -- Hawke is trying to keep the whole ****ing city from falling appart. You can even keep Bethany, and she's all "**** you, sister. -_-" and then later you can be like "**** you meredith you're not killing my sister she's NOT a bloodmage" and bethany is all "SEE I KNEW YOU 'd me! *hug!*"

Totally makes siding with crazy templar worth it ;p

[cmessaz]

Well, again it's a personal feeling of mine, I like mages. I am talking about my girl, I rp my Hawke's differently. The keeping the war from happening is what I went with, but I'm just saying it felt wrong. And anyway I liked having the Bethany die, what can I say I enjoy torturing my girls. I have read other people's reasoning and it makes sense, not saying it doesn't. Just didn't feel right for me is all.

[Sialater]

I think when I get around to replaying Margaret's game, she may rival Anders to the end, but side with the mages.

I tried getting my Fenris Hawke, Anna, to rival him, but she found his passion and compassion too precious a commodity and ended up friending him. He's totally her big brother.

[SurelyForth]

My crazy Mage!Hawke will side with the templars, and force Anders to join her, because she's in love with Cullen Keran Carver a templar. Also, crazy.

I can't really do a non-gimmick rivalry with Anders because it feels so...unpleasant. I can't imagine him being able to talk about ANYTHING but mages/Justice on a rivalry, whereas a friended Anders seems like he might be able to take a ten minute break every couple of days because he's working towards his cause when he's with Hawke and he doesn't have Justice riding his (metaphorical) ass all the time.

[Heidenreich]

Sialater wrote...

I think when I get around to replaying Margaret's game, she may rival Anders to the end, but side with the mages.

I tried getting my Fenris Hawke, Anna, to rival him, but she found his passion and compassion too precious a commodity and ended up friending him. He's totally her big brother.

I have a very hard time Rivaling Fenris. It HURTS. He's SO UTTERLY broken that being a huge dick to him isn't something I can justify. And it is too. Most of the rival conversations with Fenris are borderline dickfaced. Hell even while rivaling Anders I pick the less-**** comments ;p My Hawke is just NOT a jerk. Especially to these two men who OBVIOUSLY need her mental stability. Which to say, isn't exactly super stable, but its apparently more stable then either of them ;p

[elenilote]

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[cmessaz]

Heidenreich wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I think when I get around to replaying Margaret's game, she may rival Anders to the end, but side with the mages.

I tried getting my Fenris Hawke, Anna, to rival him, but she found his passion and compassion too precious a commodity and ended up friending him. He's totally her big brother.

I have a very hard time Rivaling Fenris. It HURTS. He's SO UTTERLY broken that being a huge dick to him isn't something I can justify. And it is too. Most of the rival conversations with Fenris are borderline dickfaced. Hell even while rivaling Anders I pick the less-**** comments ;p My Hawke is just NOT a jerk. Especially to these two men who OBVIOUSLY need her mental stability. Which to say, isn't exactly super stable, but its apparently more stable then either of them ;p

Lol, all my mages rival Fenris, my others not. I never really feel I'm a jerk to him, I guess it's just the options one chooses. She respects him and he respects her.

[Patchwork]

I'm going to try rivaling Anders in the next playthrough but as I'm personally for mages having more freedom it's going to be difficult.

Maybe I'll leave him out the pro mage quests but I guess that wont help with dialogue options. A self hating blood mage maybe? I've never played a blood mage before, it might be interesting.

[Sialater]

Heidenreich wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I think when I get around to replaying Margaret's game, she may rival Anders to the end, but side with the mages.

I tried getting my Fenris Hawke, Anna, to rival him, but she found his passion and compassion too precious a commodity and ended up friending him. He's totally her big brother.

I have a very hard time Rivaling Fenris. It HURTS. He's SO UTTERLY broken that being a huge dick to him isn't something I can justify. And it is too. Most of the rival conversations with Fenris are borderline dickfaced. Hell even while rivaling Anders I pick the less-**** comments ;p My Hawke is just NOT a jerk. Especially to these two men who OBVIOUSLY need her mental stability. Which to say, isn't exactly super stable, but its apparently more stable then either of them ;p

Actually, I got more rival points for being NICE to him which he took as pity.  And then there's the whole "I'm a mage, we're not all evil" Margaret goes into with him which he hates.

I got friendship points with Anna telling him to quit whining.

Anders is by far the easier to friendmance.

[cmessaz]

Ser Bard wrote...

I'm going to try rivaling Anders in the next playthrough but as I'm personally for mages having more freedom it's going to be difficult.

Maybe I'll leave him out the pro mage quests but I guess that wont help with dialogue options. A self hating blood mage maybe? I've never played a blood mage before, it might be interesting.

Holy cow that is exactly what I did with my only pro-templar mage. She was a blood mage, felt horrible about that fact, and agreed that mages would always resort to it. She wound up siding with mages at the end though.

[LT123]

I actually had trouble getting enough rivalry points with Anders until the Tevinter Amulet got fixed. My archer rivaled him but ended up siding with the mages. Although the fact that his Gallows speech is the same on friend and rivalry if you side with them is strange. I wonder if that's intended behavior.

I had no problems rivaling Fenris, other than him bouncing back and forth a few times because I would kill slavers and free mages. But he seemed mellower on the friendship path.

[Sialater]

LT123 wrote...

I actually had trouble getting enough rivalry points with Anders until the Tevinter Amulet got fixed. My archer rivaled him but ended up siding with the mages. Although the fact that his Gallows speech is the same on friend and rivalry if you side with them is strange. I wonder if that's intended behavior.

I had no problems rivaling Fenris, other than him bouncing back and forth a few times because I would kill slavers and free mages. But he seemed mellower on the friendship path.

He is mellower on the friendship path, but if I RP, I don't think Margaret could friend him.  

But... I'm more interested in her relationship with Anders anyway...

[Hill-Hurwitz]

I never had much trouble rivaling Fenris, as Sia said, he tends to interpret compassion as pity, which he despises coming from a mage. Poor elf. If I wasn't such an unabashed Anderstian, he'd get some Hawke hugs.

I don't think I could rivalmance Anders. I know I ought to do a playthrough For Science!, but my MageHawkes always get swept up in him and his cause, and most of them probably wouldn't have liked Anders if he was the same deflecting rake from DA:A. Those convictions and sense of self-sacrifice are hot, too. It still gets me every time - Hawke's first impression of Anders is healing a injured child, for free, and at great risk for his own safety. Then those eyes? BAM. Hooked every time.

And I think it's a bit like Fenris about Orana. A slave rarely thinks life could be different. All my Hawke has known is running and hiding; she never thought how it could be different. Meeting Anders changed my Hawke, not all in healthy ways, and now she sees the world through new eyes.

[Ryzaki]

cmessaz wrote...
Lol, all my mages rival Fenris, my others not. I never really feel I'm a jerk to him, I guess it's just the options one chooses. She respects him and he respects her.

 

I think this shows how subjective it is. I never feel like I'm really being a jerk to Anders.  

aimelle wrote...

It's a lot more straight forward in the non-romance path.

Hawke: We must show that the revolution failed. Then the mages can work for peaceful change.
Anders: Perhaps they will. But I will not be part of it. I will do my best to make up for the damage I caused, but I cannot live past this. Vengeance will always be inside me. I cannot risk losing myself to him again. But if I die—now or after—perhaps it will be Justice and not Vengeance who rises from my corpse. Goodbye Hawke. You've been a better friend than I ever knew.

 

To me that makes sense. On the friend path he has *nothing* so it's a bit more "okay I see why he's suciidal. "on the romance path however he stll has Hawke. 

So yeah it being more straight forward means really little to me other than him being sucidial on the rivalry path where he really has nothing standing between him and Vengeance. Still open to interpretation for the romance. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 juin 2011 - 06:00 .

[cmessaz]

Ryzaki wrote...

I think this shows how subjective it is. I never feel like I'm really being a jerk to Anders. 

Oh no, I didn't feel I was either. The worse thing I think I said to him on the rival path I think was something about the Justice thing being "creepy"  It was just..Hawke disagreeing with him. I think you *can* be a jerk, but you certainly don't have to in order to rival. Same with Fenris really.

[mellifera]

Heidenreich wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I think when I get around to replaying Margaret's game, she may rival Anders to the end, but side with the mages.

I tried getting my Fenris Hawke, Anna, to rival him, but she found his passion and compassion too precious a commodity and ended up friending him. He's totally her big brother.

I have a very hard time Rivaling Fenris. It HURTS. He's SO UTTERLY broken that being a huge dick to him isn't something I can justify. And it is too. Most of the rival conversations with Fenris are borderline dickfaced. Hell even while rivaling Anders I pick the less-**** comments ;p My Hawke is just NOT a jerk. Especially to these two men who OBVIOUSLY need her mental stability. Which to say, isn't exactly super stable, but its apparently more stable then either of them ;p

Wut, that's not true at all. Fenris practically gives you rivalry points for everything if you so much as look at mages without disdain. I had him up 100% rivalry by the end of the game being perfectly nice to him. He does have other people, despite how much he acts like he doesn't have any friends. Isabela, Sebastian, Aveline, Donnic... they're all people who care about him and hang out with him. Considering how similar the friendship and rivalry paths are anyway, I hardly find that to be true at all (like, he tells my Hawke, who rivaled him and didn't romance him that meeting him was the best thing that could have happened to him, which was pretty similar to the line I got  with my Fenris friendmancing Hawke).  ESPECIALLY when, unless you hand him over to Danarius, all you've been doing all this time is trying to help him kill all the people from his past who show up.

I dunno. Rivaling Fenris is a completely different ballgame than rivaling Anders in my opinion. You have the option of being a dick to EVERYONE, but it's not exclusive to the rival path (as in, you can go friendship or be nice and say dickish things/things the character you are speaking with interprets as dickish). What bugs me most about rivaling Fenris is that nothing happens at the end besides him staying with you if you side against the templars, but that's out of respect for Hawke and not any real change that I can discern.

Point is, I don't feel that you have the same amount of control/ability to manipulate in your hands the way you do with Anders. His mental state isn't as contingent on Hawke's actions and the way he treats him as Anders' is.

Modifié par yukidama, 07 juin 2011 - 06:13 .

[Ryzaki]

cmessaz wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I think this shows how subjective it is. I never feel like I'm really being a jerk to Anders. 

Oh no, I didn't feel I was either. The worse thing I think I said to him on the rival path I think was something about the Justice thing being "creepy"  It was just..Hawke disagreeing with him. I think you *can* be a jerk, but you certainly don't have to in order to rival. Same with Fenris really.

 

Yeah being a jerk is pretty much optional. 

I have to admit being a jerk to both of them has its hilarious moments. And it's d'awww moments. (Like Anders' reaction to you giving him the cellar key and Fenris' laugh when you tell him "it's about time you realized that.")

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 juin 2011 - 06:13 .

[ipgd]

I never really had any trouble rivaling Fenris. He's a big boy, he can handle Hawke disagreeing with him. Anders, uh... "hypersensitive headcase" comes to mind. His ego is pretty damn fragile and he's malleable enough that you basically end up coercing him into horrible self-loathing, whether you intend to or not.

Ryzaki wrote...

To me that makes sense. On the friend path he has *nothing* so it's a bit more "okay I see why he's suciidal. "on the romance path however he stll has Hawke. 

So yeah it being more straight forward means really little to me other than him being sucidial on the rivalry path where he really has nothing standing between him and Vengeance. Still open to interpretation for the romance.

Even if he did decide to live on the templar path, I'm not sure how he and Hawke could stay together. I imagine the nobility would be hesitant to appoint Viscount someone who was actively banging the guy who blew up the Chantry, and even if they did, half of Thedas would be jockeying to assassinate one or both of them. Unless Hawke basically keeps Anders locked up with a full complement of guards at all times and he never goes outside again, which is horribly depressing in itself.  

Modifié par ipgd, 07 juin 2011 - 06:15 .

[cmessaz]

ipgd wrote...

I never really had any trouble rivaling Fenris. He's a big boy, he can handle Hawke disagreeing with him. Anders, uh... "hypersensitive headcase" comes to mind. His ego is pretty damn fragile and he's malleable enough that you basically end up coercing him into horrible self-loathing, whether you intend to or not.

Ryzaki wrote...

To me that makes sense. On the friend path he has *nothing* so it's a bit more "okay I see why he's suciidal. "on the romance path however he stll has Hawke. 

So yeah it being more straight forward means really little to me other than him being sucidial on the rivalry path where he really has nothing standing between him and Vengeance. Still open to interpretation for the romance.

Even if he did decide to live on the templar path, I'm not sure how he and Hawke could stay together. I imagine the nobility would be hesitant to appoint Viscount someone who was actively banging the guy who blew up the Chantry, and even if they did, half of Thedas would be jockeying to assassinate one or both of them. Unless Hawke basically keeps Anders locked up with a full complement of guards at all times and he never goes outside again, which is horribly depressing in itself.  

LOL, hey this gives me a good rp reason as to why my girl is no longer ruling Kirkwall

[Ryzaki]

ipgd wrote...

Even if he did decide to live on the templar path, I'm not sure how he and Hawke could stay together. I imagine the nobility would be hesitant to appoint Viscount someone who was actively banging the guy who blew up the Chantry, and even if they did, half of Thedas would be jockeying to assassinate one or both of them. Unless Hawke basically keeps Anders locked up with a full complement of guards at all times and he never goes outside again, which is horribly depressing in itself.  

 

Thisis where I get annoyed at the forced Vicount ending. That in itself should've been optional in my view. Everyone isn't gonna want to stay in Kirkwall after that(heck most of my Hawkes were itching for a chance to leave) the only way it makes sense to me is to headcanon it as everyone who knows what Anders' did is either dead or coerced (only for a time though. Which is why Hawke adruptly leaves Kirkwall when it starts coming out). Edit: as for seb. I don't recruit him so I assume he'd only figure out by second hand sources (those being coerced) and would need time to prepare his case. Time that Hawke would quickly run away during.) 

Totally off topic: But OMG ME3. (No spoilers please). The wait...the wait is gonna kill me. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 juin 2011 - 06:24 .

[cmessaz]

Ryzaki wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Even if he did decide to live on the templar path, I'm not sure how he and Hawke could stay together. I imagine the nobility would be hesitant to appoint Viscount someone who was actively banging the guy who blew up the Chantry, and even if they did, half of Thedas would be jockeying to assassinate one or both of them. Unless Hawke basically keeps Anders locked up with a full complement of guards at all times and he never goes outside again, which is horribly depressing in itself.  

 

Thisis where I get annoyed at the forced Vicount ending. That in itself should've been optional in my view. Everyone isn't gonna want to stay in Kirkwall after that(heck most of my Hawkes were itching for a chance to leave) the only way it makes sense to me is to headcanon it as everyone who knows what Anders' did is either dead or coerced (only for a time though. Which is why Hawke adruptly leaves Kirkwall when it starts coming out). 

Oh, good one. Yeah, they should have left it at "they practically begged him/her to rule" and that would have left it open to rp.

Modifié par cmessaz, 07 juin 2011 - 06:21 .

[ipgd]

Ryzaki wrote...

Thisis where I get annoyed at the forced Vicount ending. That in itself should've been optional in my view. Everyone isn't gonna want to stay in Kirkwall after that(heck most of my Hawkes were itching for a chance to leave) the only way it makes sense to me is to headcanon it as everyone who knows what Anders' did is either dead or coerced (only for a time though. Which is why Hawke adruptly leaves Kirkwall when it starts coming out). 

Totally off topic: But OMG ME3. (No spoilers please). The wait...the wait is gonna kill me. 

I'd have trouble believing Sebastian would stay quiet about it for any length of time. He was probably already screaming about it at the top of his lungs on the way out of Kirkwall, preceding a full-blown propaganda campaign.

[Ryzaki]

ipgd wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Thisis where I get annoyed at the forced Vicount ending. That in itself should've been optional in my view. Everyone isn't gonna want to stay in Kirkwall after that(heck most of my Hawkes were itching for a chance to leave) the only way it makes sense to me is to headcanon it as everyone who knows what Anders' did is either dead or coerced (only for a time though. Which is why Hawke adruptly leaves Kirkwall when it starts coming out). 

Totally off topic: But OMG ME3. (No spoilers please). The wait...the wait is gonna kill me. 

I'd have trouble believing Sebastian would stay quiet about it for any length of time. He was probably already screaming about it at the top of his lungs on the way out of Kirkwall, preceding a full-blown propaganda campaign.

You don't have to recruit Sebastian. IN that scenario he's spending time gathering information and figuring out Anders did it to begin with. In the scenario that you did recruit him I could see him wasting time getting an army to march on Kirkwall. By the time he's almost ready again. Hawke can simply flee. (This of course results in Hawke beingVicount for a much lower amount of time then him not being recruited but Varric never says how long Hawke was Vicount before vanishing). 

By the time he has enough evidence/resources to have anders arrested my Hawke will be long gone. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 juin 2011 - 06:27 .