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[ipgd]

My Hawke was just an attention whore who liked offending nobles by bringing his apostate boyfriend and slutty pirate faghag to parties, so Kirkwall was swell.

Heidenreich wrote...

No, my Hawke likes Kirkwall too ;p

Also.. WHAT IS THIS, I DONT EVEN..

WHERE IS MEREDANDERS?!?! *sob*

Temporarily gone so I can show my support for DEATH TO ASHLEY.

[Heidenreich]

ipgd wrote...

My Hawke was just an attention whore who liked offending nobles by bringing his apostate boyfriend and slutty pirate faghag to parties, so Kirkwall was swell.

Heidenreich wrote...

No, my Hawke likes Kirkwall too ;p

Also.. WHAT IS THIS, I DONT EVEN..

WHERE IS MEREDANDERS?!?! *sob*

Temporarily gone so I can show my support for DEATH TO ASHLEY.

Okay, I can accept this. DEATH TO ASHLEY is a worthy cause.

[Sarielle]

SurelyForth wrote...

Sarielle wrote...

Batteries wrote...

If only Hawke had something better to say than YOU HAVE TO PAY when you kill him on the friendship route.

Little late here (thread moves so dang fast) but this line didn't bother me at all. My only/canon playthrough so far my girl didn't romance Anders (she accepted his "no, I'll just hurt you") but he and Varric were her best buds. She sounded emotional enough when she said it that it still worked for me.

Imo, if you do it as a friend you are saying, "Anders is no longer in control." Your friend Anders was a good man, and would not have blown up innocent people. It's as much a mercy killing as anything (in my humble opinion, of course).

That's actually not entirely true. Friended Anders is pretty peacefully merged with Justice and he agrees that the Chantry explosion, while terrible, is what had to be done. A rivaled Anders, however, is losing control to Justice, who just takes over to accomplish it.

I'm not saying that my character was accurate; more about how I played her, heh. She could not imagine her friend doing that of his own accord. She also really did think he needed to pay for it, would pay for it, and that she could at least ensure it was done kindly.

He DOES seem at peace with what he's done, which is what made her even more sure that he could not be allowed to run around potentially doing something of that magnitude again. She killed blood mages that had gone over the edge; she couldn't play the hypocrite.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Just popping in to say hello to my fellow Anderstians. How has everyone been since the new patch?

I haven't downloaded it yet. Maybe I will once I finish ME stuffs.

Also DEATH TO ASHLEY is a worthy cause.

[Ryzaki]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Just popping in to say hello to my fellow Anderstians. How has everyone been since the new patch?

I haven't downloaded it yet. Maybe I will once I finish ME stuffs.

Also DEATH TO ASHLEY is a worthy cause.

 

You all are horrible. 

poor Ashley. 

[SurelyForth]

I agree! It's not Ashley's fault everyone has to be supar foxy in ME3. Garrus said he'd sit this one out if it meant that the other squadmates didn't have to be polished and sexed up in order to compete with him.

Alas, alas.

(Also, I  think Ryzaki and I agreeing on something pretty much means the world is about to end. Sorry, world!)

Modifié par SurelyForth, 08 juin 2011 - 02:33 .

[Ryzaki]

LOL

Besides...Ash's outfit could always be worse. It could be Miranda's. (is trying to look on the brighter side now).

Though I did have a similar first reaction. Before I realized it was silly. As long as they didn't butcher her characterization and start giving us Mirianda's infamous ass shots I'll be fine.  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 juin 2011 - 02:56 .

[Amondra]

 

Anders vs. Fenris.  It just got real!

[Amondra]

ElleMullineux wrote...

Sarielle wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Sarielle wrote...

Batteries wrote...

If only Hawke had something better to say than YOU HAVE TO PAY when you kill him on the friendship route.

Little late here (thread moves so dang fast) but this line didn't bother me at all. My only/canon playthrough so far my girl didn't romance Anders (she accepted his "no, I'll just hurt you") but he and Varric were her best buds. She sounded emotional enough when she said it that it still worked for me.

Imo, if you do it as a friend you are saying, "Anders is no longer in control." Your friend Anders was a good man, and would not have blown up innocent people. It's as much a mercy killing as anything (in my humble opinion, of course).

That's actually not entirely true. Friended Anders is pretty peacefully merged with Justice and he agrees that the Chantry explosion, while terrible, is what had to be done. A rivaled Anders, however, is losing control to Justice, who just takes over to accomplish it.

I'm not saying that my character was accurate; more about how I played her, heh. She could not imagine her friend doing that of his own accord. She also really did think he needed to pay for it, would pay for it, and that she could at least ensure it was done kindly.

He DOES seem at peace with what he's done, which is what made her even more sure that he could not be allowed to run around potentially doing something of that magnitude again. She killed blood mages that had gone over the edge; she couldn't play the hypocrite.

IMO you need to look at Anders actions in a wider context, rather than just the local ones. (Although as Surely said some pages back that Justice will probably rear his head over other things, but at least with the mage war he'll hopefully be occupied for a while).
Chantry Jenga was a single action required to start the war, and now that action has been completed successfully he can fight for mage justice alongside other people that have been drawn into the fight. As his lover my Hawke couldn't kill him - even if that might have been better for the cause (as Anders tries to say) - so instead he gets to carry on the good fight, and he seems to be empowered by it, and also gets to see the immediate results which I think is fitting. 

I'm sure there will be many more horrific things done by both sides during the ensuing fighting but it seems a lot fairer once it's open warfare, rather than a terrorist attack. So I don't see him doing "something of that magnitude" again - at the very least I hope he trusts Hawke enough now to bloody well TELL her/him what he's planning.

Hawke...I think I might make another poo bomb and Fenris's house....

*Hawke hits him over the head and drags him back to the bedroom*

>_> Hawke has it under control.

[Giggles_Manically]

Thanks to the people who posted the F/R guides a while back.

Pre-Deep roads I am at 85% Rival for Fenris and Anders.
Only really pro-circle thing I did was turn Grace over to Thrask.
Then give the Qunari mage back to Avaraad.

[kromify]

it's shocking the number of crazy mages out there. "magic didn't make them kill your mum, kidnap your sister, blow up the chantry, torch themselves, wear blue lippy... being crazy did."

sigh.

enough with the solitary, meredith. i think it's making the problem worse... <_<

[beckaliz]

Sarielle wrote...

Batteries wrote...

If only Hawke had something better to say than YOU HAVE TO PAY when you kill him on the friendship route.

Little late here (thread moves so dang fast) but this line didn't bother me at all. My only/canon playthrough so far my girl didn't romance Anders (she accepted his "no, I'll just hurt you") but he and Varric were her best buds. She sounded emotional enough when she said it that it still worked for me.

Imo, if you do it as a friend you are saying, "Anders is no longer in control." Your friend Anders was a good man, and would not have blown up innocent people. It's as much a mercy killing as anything (in my humble opinion, of course).

Yes, this thread DOES move fast!!! I've got like six pages to catch up on. I'm having to open links in new tabs so I can look later. XD

But I agree on your point about it being a mercy killing. Because even on the Friendship path, there are times when Anders questions himself. Especially after "Dissent", if you manage to save Ella or whatever her name is.

[beckaliz]

Ryzaki wrote...

Batteries wrote...

I really don't think the average citizen will ask why he did that instead of demanding his execution

 

Why not? At this point all the mages are dead and they're rebuilding. Why would they become bloodthirsty on the words of one man. Especially one man who is going against the Champion of Kirkwall? (who may have not even been there?) The rogue bloodmages in the city are all gone, Meredith's overbearing self is now gone, Elthina and the Chantry are gone as well but I see my Hawke immediately casting blame on the resolutionists that were in the city for that. (And using Varric's bull**** to helpit along.) The illusion wouldn't be perfect of course and there would be holes but who is really gonna look deeper other than perhaps Cullen (who would want to make sure he had all his ducks in a row first and that would give Hawkea headstart to run) or other templars (who would probably go *to* Cullen). AS Vicount I doubt any accusation against Hawke's allies (and by extension him/herself) would be castlightly. You're gonna need more than just words to cast blame on the Vicount. (becauseif Anders blew up the Chantry than Hawke had to know about it (what the people will end up thining) since they were lovers and Hawke was traveling with Anders for a long time.)  

I could forsee some hushed whispering (and the louder that whispering gets the faster my Hawke starts to pack) but at first? 

I would question, though, ... would Varric make up some crap for this scenario? You ask him what he thinks at the end and he says, "I think I'm sick of templars and mages. >.<** " I'd like any ideas anyone has on what he might even want to say about the situation, or how he could twist it into a fantastical tale.

[beckaliz]

Amondra wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

I don't know, I wonder now that Justice has "accomplished his goal" if Anders wouldn't be more likely to control it. I just like Ryz idea personally, because if Anders did commit suicide it's likely that I'd never do it again XD (rival/templar siding)

But he didn't complete his goal.  He started it then went against it, by siding with the Templars...how is the doing what he and Justice set out for? They wanted to free them not kill them for something they did. Justice is angry that Anders just sided with the enemy.  He isn't going to calm down.

In one of the comments that Anders makes as you wander around Kirkwall (perhaps in the tunnel leading to the Gallows during "Dissent", I'm not sure), he says that the "mages would be better off if there were open warfare". The immediate goal wasn't to free the mages... It was to catalyze a revolution.

[beckaliz]

Sialater wrote...

But that's the theme for the entire game.  NO COMPROMISE!  There is NO Option "C". 

ToP AGAIN!

**SNIP PICTURE**

Not sure who did this one.

Picture!!! ;o; He looks so danged handsome!

Modifié par beckaliz, 08 juin 2011 - 01:14 .

[beckaliz]

Ok srsly, going through these pages I'm just gonna collect quotes in ONE post. XD;;; Sorry for spam guys. ;o; I'm still in n00b stage on these forums. I WON'T DO IT AGAIN I PROMISE. There's just so much I have an opinion on... Is there a way to delete posts?

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I want a "Screw You Guys, I'm Going Home," Option for DA3.  
Or at least a concrete, damned good reason we can't leave.  (DA:O was a little weak on this, too, IIRC)

YES. Exactly this. When Fenris asked me why I didn't just go home already, I scratched my head and had no proper way to answer him because. I had NO idea. The only reason that comes to mind is that Hawke must have been a little mental herself. She probably went into the last battle wearing nothing but an oversized clown nose and a very funny hat and the only reason Varric doesn't say as much is because he sniffed a bit of the Meredith burned lyrium corpse statue by accident and doesn't quite remember accurately and has to fill the blanks in his memory SOMEHOW and does it the most flattering way possible.

Losing everyone in his/her life one by one would certainly add to this (not counting sibling survival, since Hawke is still separated from them), especially in the horrific way that Mother died. Not to mention the years of being shoved into dealing with all of Kirkwall's various problems. Sarcastic!Hawke mentions this a lot, about having to get involved in everything because people expect it. I love this variation of Hawke because he/she points out how ridiculous the city is in general, and the whole "Why am I the one everyone comes to??"

In my thought, diplomatic!Hawke helps out of being good-natured and wanting to keep the peace and/or make Kirkwall a better home for his/her family, aggressive!Hawke does it because he/she wants to correct all the idiots everywhere and profit from it (though there's aggressive and there's dickface, I've only completed the blunt Hawke and not the jerk Hawke PT so I'm not going to stand firm on this one)... And sarcastic!Hawke does it because it's easier not to resist. Hawke is so skilled and has such a merry band of misfits, it's easier to go kill things than it is to listen to people whining and pleading. After the Deep Roads excursion, everyone in the city is like "WOW OMG U R AMAZING! AND NOW RICH SO WE KNO WHO U R! ... ok and BTW, I've got this problem, and since you are just so epically awesome, can you do something about it?" Aveline doesn't help matters by getting Hawke involved in official city guard matters, even if Hawke does it as a favor as her friend. People will think, "Oh, Hawke is totally willing to help!" Also, going around through ALL of Act 1 doing all these errands to make money, I'm sure people are inclined to think that way also.

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ipgd wrote...

Temporarily gone so I can show my support for DEATH TO ASHLEY.

+1000
She's so obnoxious. My Merryn Shepard liked her, but I didn't.

But, please no more talk about ME3. I'm going to totally avoid anything beyond the brief preview I saw in a clip, and this is a DA thread. I don't want to run into any kind of potential spoilers. T_T Because I played DA2 without knowing any single thing about it besides Hawke is a refugee from Lothering, and it was that much more awesome because of it. I already know stuff from ME3 from reading the article in Game Informer, and I kind of regret even that little knowledge.

Modifié par beckaliz, 08 juin 2011 - 01:13 .

[Sialater]

I'm hiding here to avoid ME3 Spoilers. Staying out of the Garrus and Kaidan threads is killing me as it is. Don't take Anders away from me, too!

[Rinji the Bearded]

Yeah, I apologize for my stab at Ashley before, as it was off-topic. Let's stay on topic people.

So how about that Anders, huh?

[Sialater]

You mean... this one?


By SweetCandyRain

[kromify]

i noticed his staff stayed in the same place behind his back when he sits down to comfort hawke; despite that i'm pretty sure it can't bend (don't quote me lol). just to clarify that the picture isn't inaccurate :-)

[Mekarah]

kromify wrote...

i noticed his staff stayed in the same place behind his back when he sits down to comfort hawke; despite that i'm pretty sure it can't bend (don't quote me lol). just to clarify that the picture isn't inaccurate :-)

Maybe it's like a spyglass, and can just kind of fold up into itself when need be

[Sialater]

I turn a blind eye to that in that scene. As far as I'm concerned he sat it against the wall near the door before sitting down beside my Hawke.