beckaliz wrote...
I'm dizzy. @_@ So much crazy writing.
Someone got any kittens?
I have a cat >_> a rather lazy one too. but yet I always lose my fights with her...
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I have a cat >_> a rather lazy one too. but yet I always lose my fights with her...
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Ugh my cat is evil. She waits until I'm minding my business and walking before she pops out of nowhere and starts biting my ankles and my toes. (and running between my legs tripping me). Little demon.
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I have four farm cats.
All of them liked to be pet.
Only one can be held.
No pests near our house ever.
All of them liked to be pet.
Only one can be held.
No pests near our house ever.
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Posté 09 juin 2011 - 01:42
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Ryzaki wrote...
Ugh my cat is evil. She waits until I'm minding my business and walking before she pops out of nowhere and starts biting my ankles and my toes. (and running between my legs tripping me). Little demon.
Mine lies on the bed next to me and then uses her Jedi mind tricks to get me to pet her...she is a Sith Lord I can feel it. Cat will sleep through anything, as soo as she hears a Lightsaber she is freaking out.
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@beckaliz Yeah. I'm pretty much the same. I'm not terribly eloquent about my thoughts on Justice and Anders' relationship, or the resulting fallout from the Jenga, so I lurk while someone else says it far more succinctly than I could, and wait for the kittens to come rolling back in. 
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I sometimes feel a little guilty getting into these long back-and-forths, but it's long back-and-forths like this that made this thread top Fenris, so I hope they're not too distressing. Apologies for the lack of kittens, I will endeavor to find some.
Here's what I think about should.
But again, it all shakes down to this: you have absolutely no evidence that there is any possibility of mages openly communicating with state leaders in such a way as to establish communications and interactions of the kind you suggest. You believe that it's how they should behave, but have no evidence that it's an actual thing they could do.
If wishes were horses, all mages woud ride.
If wishes were timeshares they'd summer seaside.
If wishes were freedom, they'd wish a lot less
And die of old age instead of from stress.
I have... no idea where THAT came from. I know some lines of it are borrowed from somewhere.
Every single one of your proposals has you leaving mages to wait for a state like Nevarra to just up and decide to ally with them and Ferelden and that just... doesn't seem likely. Even if mages have the ability to communicate with the state without the state seeking their aid first (and we have absolutely no evidence that such a thing is possible), I don't know what in Thedas political history makes you think there's any significant chance of that happening.
Genre Savvy, remember? I am Genre Savvy, and so is Anders, according to my argument (and yes, I do believe it is possible to be Genre savvy in real life. See also: "You're in the wrong universe for fair.")
The way this world is shaping up, the future course of events depends on someone taking control and leading. The Warden, Hawke, or some other Protagonist. Anders is trying to both create a situation where the next Warden, the next Hawke has a reason to sympathize with mages, and a situation volatile enough that they can make a significant impact on events. Anders has a reason to have faith in such people: He's met both of Thedas's recent Protagonists, and seen the changes they can cause. I think he just has faith in people, in general... that when the next smart, world-changing person comes along, they'll see all that happened and decide to steer things so that they're at least slightly better for mages.
My 30-50% number is based on the idea that it's all about giving the reins of the future ot the next Protagonist to happen along (or to Hawke himself), and they've got a 30-50% chance of siding with mages. Hell, from what I've seen on these boards, they're more than 50% likely to believe that the mages at least need to be in a situation that is better than it was at the beginning of DA2, so even a Templar-leaning protagonist may end up making things better for mages in the long run than if nothing had been done.
Basically, Anders has faith in us: in the "players'" of the world, that they will see this war objectively. That faith may be misplaced in some circumstances, but I believe his faith in us is justified in general.
There is pretty much no evidence in Thedas history that a bunch of countries will ally together against the Chantry, and use mages as allies. There's a whole lot of evidence that, once stuff has already started to go down, a small band of determiend people will change the face of the world. I can't blame Anders for having some pattern recognition there, and considering the latter more likely than the former.
And I simply do not see how an Exalted March or a Rite of Annulment or anything else happening in Kirkwall would have been a better flashpoint. You keep saying there's a better one, but I've yet to see it.
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
I never said they can't form any movment, simply that they cannot communicate with enough forces simultaneously to start one widespread enough to succeed. The only example you set forward is one that isn't widespread enough to succeed, and that would probably have resulted in Ferelden falling to the blight.
The mages are not the ones who have to communciate with multiple forces. That's the job of states, and mages shoud allign with them.
Here's what I think about should.
But again, it all shakes down to this: you have absolutely no evidence that there is any possibility of mages openly communicating with state leaders in such a way as to establish communications and interactions of the kind you suggest. You believe that it's how they should behave, but have no evidence that it's an actual thing they could do.
If wishes were horses, all mages woud ride.
If wishes were timeshares they'd summer seaside.
If wishes were freedom, they'd wish a lot less
And die of old age instead of from stress.
I have... no idea where THAT came from. I know some lines of it are borrowed from somewhere.
Every single one of your proposals has you leaving mages to wait for a state like Nevarra to just up and decide to ally with them and Ferelden and that just... doesn't seem likely. Even if mages have the ability to communicate with the state without the state seeking their aid first (and we have absolutely no evidence that such a thing is possible), I don't know what in Thedas political history makes you think there's any significant chance of that happening.
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
I'd say the odds of that happening are much lower than the odds of the Mages coming out ahead in the current struggle. I'd say there was only a <10% chance of what you propose ever happening, while the Mages have a 30-50% chance of coming out of the current struggle better than they went in. These are just my current impressions, mind you, not any concrete math, obviously.
Obviously, and I wonder on what you're basing them.
Genre Savvy, remember? I am Genre Savvy, and so is Anders, according to my argument (and yes, I do believe it is possible to be Genre savvy in real life. See also: "You're in the wrong universe for fair.")
The way this world is shaping up, the future course of events depends on someone taking control and leading. The Warden, Hawke, or some other Protagonist. Anders is trying to both create a situation where the next Warden, the next Hawke has a reason to sympathize with mages, and a situation volatile enough that they can make a significant impact on events. Anders has a reason to have faith in such people: He's met both of Thedas's recent Protagonists, and seen the changes they can cause. I think he just has faith in people, in general... that when the next smart, world-changing person comes along, they'll see all that happened and decide to steer things so that they're at least slightly better for mages.
My 30-50% number is based on the idea that it's all about giving the reins of the future ot the next Protagonist to happen along (or to Hawke himself), and they've got a 30-50% chance of siding with mages. Hell, from what I've seen on these boards, they're more than 50% likely to believe that the mages at least need to be in a situation that is better than it was at the beginning of DA2, so even a Templar-leaning protagonist may end up making things better for mages in the long run than if nothing had been done.
Basically, Anders has faith in us: in the "players'" of the world, that they will see this war objectively. That faith may be misplaced in some circumstances, but I believe his faith in us is justified in general.
There is pretty much no evidence in Thedas history that a bunch of countries will ally together against the Chantry, and use mages as allies. There's a whole lot of evidence that, once stuff has already started to go down, a small band of determiend people will change the face of the world. I can't blame Anders for having some pattern recognition there, and considering the latter more likely than the former.
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
No I do not believe a flashpoint was necessary, but if it had to happen, a better one was possible in Kirkwall, which was ripe for it.
And I simply do not see how an Exalted March or a Rite of Annulment or anything else happening in Kirkwall would have been a better flashpoint. You keep saying there's a better one, but I've yet to see it.
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Amondra wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Ugh my cat is evil. She waits until I'm minding my business and walking before she pops out of nowhere and starts biting my ankles and my toes. (and running between my legs tripping me). Little demon.
Mine lies on the bed next to me and then uses her Jedi mind tricks to get me to pet her...she is a Sith Lord I can feel it. Cat will sleep through anything, as soo as she hears a Lightsaber she is freaking out.
So *that's* where Revan went! :innocent:
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Posté 09 juin 2011 - 01:55
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Ryzaki wrote...
Amondra wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Ugh my cat is evil. She waits until I'm minding my business and walking before she pops out of nowhere and starts biting my ankles and my toes. (and running between my legs tripping me). Little demon.
Mine lies on the bed next to me and then uses her Jedi mind tricks to get me to pet her...she is a Sith Lord I can feel it. Cat will sleep through anything, as soo as she hears a Lightsaber she is freaking out.
So *that's* where Revan went! :innocent:
It is, spoiled diva...damn cat has my soul....
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A peace offering for all the text:
So pretty. Source.
So pretty. Source.
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Posté 09 juin 2011 - 02:00
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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
If wishes were horses, all mages woud ride.
If wishes were timeshares they'd summer seaside.
If wishes were freedom, they'd wish a lot less
And die of old age instead of from stress.
I have... no idea where THAT came from. I know some lines of it are borrowed from somewhere.
That was quite possibly the best thing ever.
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Posté 09 juin 2011 - 02:02
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[quote]CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
But again, it all shakes down to this: you have absolutely no evidence that there is any possibility of mages openly communicating with state leaders in such a way as to establish communications and interactions of the kind you suggest. You believe that it's how they should behave, but have no evidence that it's an actual thing they could do.
Every single one of your proposals has you leaving mages to wait for a state like Nevarra to just up and decide to ally with them and Ferelden and that just... doesn't seem likely. Even if mages have the ability to communicate with the state without the state seeking their aid first (and we have absolutely no evidence that such a thing is possible), I don't know what in Thedas political history makes you think there's any significant chance of that happening. [/quote]
They can communicate with state leaders and other than the example I provided, we have Orsino going out and having a speech in front of all nobles in the most militarized city in thedas. We have the Orlesian king of Ferelden with a mage advisor, you potentiall have a mage in the royal court in Ferelden (Wynne)...etc etc. Yes, I have evidence that they can, or at the very least can try before going on a blind suicidal war.
No, my proposal has mages to try and convince states like Nevarra and Ferelden to hear them out. And ultimately, yes large scale change will depend on them. It's called waiting for and siezing an opportunity. It requires patience and not recklessness. If mages honestly think they can impose themselves on everyone else, they are sorely being misled, unless they wish to establish a magocracy. So we're back at square one.
And I already told you about Thedas' recent history and why there is a chance of that happening.
And I am saying "should", because now it's almost too late.
[quote]
Genre Savvy, remember? I am Genre Savvy, and so is Anders, according to my argument (and yes, I do believe it is possible to be Genre savvy in real life. See also: "You're in the wrong universe for fair.") [/quote]
Because Anders, in his mental condition, really knows what kind of world he lives in?
Time and time again, he's shown to be paranoid, obsessed and narrow minded.
[quote]
Anders is trying to both create a situation where the next Warden, the next Hawke has a reason to sympathize with mages[/quote]
By blowing up a chantry?
[quote]
Anders has a reason to have faith in such people: He's met both of Thedas's recent Protagonists, and seen the changes they can cause.[/quote]
Except both can be very pro-Templar (the Warden could have given Anders up to the Templars). So that point is irrelevent to his thinking.
[quote]
My 30-50% number is based on the idea that it's all about giving the reins of the future ot the next Protagonist to happen along (or to Hawke himself), and they've got a 30-50% chance of siding with mages. Hell, from what I've seen on these boards, they're more than 50% likely to believe that the mages at least need to be in a situation that is better than it was at the beginning of DA2, so even a Templar-leaning protagonist may end up making things better for mages in the long run than if nothing had been done. [/quote]
Metagaming. Anders doesn't know that writers would think it's a better idea to have this.
[quote]
Basically, Anders has faith in us: in the "players'" of the world, that they will see this war objectively. That faith may be misplaced in some circumstances, but I believe his faith in us is justified. [/quote]
That sentence makes absolutely no sense to me.
[quote]
There is pretty much no evidence in Thedas history that a bunch of countries will ally together against the Chantry, and use mages as allies. There's a whole lot of evidence that, once stuff has already started to go down, a small band of determiend people will change the face of the world. I can't blame Anders for having some pattern recognition there, and considering the latter more likely than the former. [/quote]
But there is evidence that it is possible and that there is a shift in the balance of power that is favorable to such an event. Which is what mages should have focused on, to try and influence the course of events to their advantage.
This small band of people won't do anything if they don't manage to get allies, and if they keep looking at all others as enemies. Which is what Anders and the Resolutionists are doing. I question their ability to get allies now, when they started the war. This is something they should have done before.
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And I simply do not see how an Exalted March or a Rite of Annulment or anything else happening in Kirkwall would have been a better flashpoint. You keep saying there's a better one, but I've yet to see it.
[/quote]
Here's why. I am going to quote my other post, which you didn't replay to:
"Now what could have been done. Meredith's incompetence pretty much meant that almost everyone despised her. From the populace, to the nobility, to Aveline's guards, to mages and even Templar elements. I strongly
believe that an opposition coalition could have been established to oust Meredith.
Now I assume you will say "But Meredith is not the system, you are only removing her". To an extent, that's true and that falls under more realistic objectives. But imagine for a sec. A popular uprising, that comprises people from all walks of life including mages and Templars, removes the Chantry's most powerful KC in its most sensitive and militarized Circle (which the Chantry at least implicitly approved of), to establish a legitimate government that would act as a moderator in mage / Templar relations without abruptely removign the system.
That is the most powerful blow anyone can deal to the Chantry. Because it's a signal that states and their people will not longer accept their sovereignity being taken away from them by the Chantry, and that it is their responsability to moderate Templar / mage relations in order to prevent outbreaks of violence (moderation could
include mages referring to the judiciary or having trials supervised by the state as an imaprtial arbitrator).
In addition, the Chantry bases part of its legitimacy on the premise that mages and the rest of the population can never collaborate and that in fact the Chantry is protecting mages from people. This would also send a strong signal that mages can acquire allies and can participate in popular movements, fighting side by side with average joes and nobles. The basis to legitimately segregate mages from the rest of society would be weakened by such an unprecedented event.
Such an unprecendented event could be used as the foundation for gradual reform in the short term, as the ripple effects spread accross the region (keep in mind Kirkwall geo-strategic and commercial importance). The Chantry will either be prudent and not over-react, which might show weakness and might encourage other states to do similar reforms. Or the Chantry might over-react and march on Kirkwall, which imo would be it shooting itself in the foot and show that the Chantry is the illegitimate aggressor against an Andrastrian sovereign state. In both cases, change will come gradually, as the Chantry is declining gradually. "
That's why an Exalted March on a mass popular movement allied to mages, is something bigger than a mage insurrection against everyone else. Even if less bombastic. It compromises Chantry power is almost every way.
But again, it all shakes down to this: you have absolutely no evidence that there is any possibility of mages openly communicating with state leaders in such a way as to establish communications and interactions of the kind you suggest. You believe that it's how they should behave, but have no evidence that it's an actual thing they could do.
Every single one of your proposals has you leaving mages to wait for a state like Nevarra to just up and decide to ally with them and Ferelden and that just... doesn't seem likely. Even if mages have the ability to communicate with the state without the state seeking their aid first (and we have absolutely no evidence that such a thing is possible), I don't know what in Thedas political history makes you think there's any significant chance of that happening. [/quote]
They can communicate with state leaders and other than the example I provided, we have Orsino going out and having a speech in front of all nobles in the most militarized city in thedas. We have the Orlesian king of Ferelden with a mage advisor, you potentiall have a mage in the royal court in Ferelden (Wynne)...etc etc. Yes, I have evidence that they can, or at the very least can try before going on a blind suicidal war.
No, my proposal has mages to try and convince states like Nevarra and Ferelden to hear them out. And ultimately, yes large scale change will depend on them. It's called waiting for and siezing an opportunity. It requires patience and not recklessness. If mages honestly think they can impose themselves on everyone else, they are sorely being misled, unless they wish to establish a magocracy. So we're back at square one.
And I already told you about Thedas' recent history and why there is a chance of that happening.
And I am saying "should", because now it's almost too late.
[quote]
Genre Savvy, remember? I am Genre Savvy, and so is Anders, according to my argument (and yes, I do believe it is possible to be Genre savvy in real life. See also: "You're in the wrong universe for fair.") [/quote]
Because Anders, in his mental condition, really knows what kind of world he lives in?
Time and time again, he's shown to be paranoid, obsessed and narrow minded.
[quote]
Anders is trying to both create a situation where the next Warden, the next Hawke has a reason to sympathize with mages[/quote]
By blowing up a chantry?
[quote]
Anders has a reason to have faith in such people: He's met both of Thedas's recent Protagonists, and seen the changes they can cause.[/quote]
Except both can be very pro-Templar (the Warden could have given Anders up to the Templars). So that point is irrelevent to his thinking.
[quote]
My 30-50% number is based on the idea that it's all about giving the reins of the future ot the next Protagonist to happen along (or to Hawke himself), and they've got a 30-50% chance of siding with mages. Hell, from what I've seen on these boards, they're more than 50% likely to believe that the mages at least need to be in a situation that is better than it was at the beginning of DA2, so even a Templar-leaning protagonist may end up making things better for mages in the long run than if nothing had been done. [/quote]
Metagaming. Anders doesn't know that writers would think it's a better idea to have this.
[quote]
Basically, Anders has faith in us: in the "players'" of the world, that they will see this war objectively. That faith may be misplaced in some circumstances, but I believe his faith in us is justified. [/quote]
That sentence makes absolutely no sense to me.
[quote]
There is pretty much no evidence in Thedas history that a bunch of countries will ally together against the Chantry, and use mages as allies. There's a whole lot of evidence that, once stuff has already started to go down, a small band of determiend people will change the face of the world. I can't blame Anders for having some pattern recognition there, and considering the latter more likely than the former. [/quote]
But there is evidence that it is possible and that there is a shift in the balance of power that is favorable to such an event. Which is what mages should have focused on, to try and influence the course of events to their advantage.
This small band of people won't do anything if they don't manage to get allies, and if they keep looking at all others as enemies. Which is what Anders and the Resolutionists are doing. I question their ability to get allies now, when they started the war. This is something they should have done before.
[quote
And I simply do not see how an Exalted March or a Rite of Annulment or anything else happening in Kirkwall would have been a better flashpoint. You keep saying there's a better one, but I've yet to see it.
[/quote]
Here's why. I am going to quote my other post, which you didn't replay to:
"Now what could have been done. Meredith's incompetence pretty much meant that almost everyone despised her. From the populace, to the nobility, to Aveline's guards, to mages and even Templar elements. I strongly
believe that an opposition coalition could have been established to oust Meredith.
Now I assume you will say "But Meredith is not the system, you are only removing her". To an extent, that's true and that falls under more realistic objectives. But imagine for a sec. A popular uprising, that comprises people from all walks of life including mages and Templars, removes the Chantry's most powerful KC in its most sensitive and militarized Circle (which the Chantry at least implicitly approved of), to establish a legitimate government that would act as a moderator in mage / Templar relations without abruptely removign the system.
That is the most powerful blow anyone can deal to the Chantry. Because it's a signal that states and their people will not longer accept their sovereignity being taken away from them by the Chantry, and that it is their responsability to moderate Templar / mage relations in order to prevent outbreaks of violence (moderation could
include mages referring to the judiciary or having trials supervised by the state as an imaprtial arbitrator).
In addition, the Chantry bases part of its legitimacy on the premise that mages and the rest of the population can never collaborate and that in fact the Chantry is protecting mages from people. This would also send a strong signal that mages can acquire allies and can participate in popular movements, fighting side by side with average joes and nobles. The basis to legitimately segregate mages from the rest of society would be weakened by such an unprecedented event.
Such an unprecendented event could be used as the foundation for gradual reform in the short term, as the ripple effects spread accross the region (keep in mind Kirkwall geo-strategic and commercial importance). The Chantry will either be prudent and not over-react, which might show weakness and might encourage other states to do similar reforms. Or the Chantry might over-react and march on Kirkwall, which imo would be it shooting itself in the foot and show that the Chantry is the illegitimate aggressor against an Andrastrian sovereign state. In both cases, change will come gradually, as the Chantry is declining gradually. "
That's why an Exalted March on a mass popular movement allied to mages, is something bigger than a mage insurrection against everyone else. Even if less bombastic. It compromises Chantry power is almost every way.
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Posté 09 juin 2011 - 02:04
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Amondra wrote...
It is, spoiled diva...damn cat has my soul....
Well so does mine. And it doesn't even pretend to be nice.
Still better than Freckles. Oh god I hated Freckles. So utterly evil he wouldn't even do the gentle biting Sky does. He would bite me until I bled, scratched me, hissed at me, chased me around the house (I was about 7), such an evil animal.
Yet nice as heck to my grandparents so they assumed I must've done something to him. <_<
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Posté 09 juin 2011 - 02:06
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If this thread just became a ******-fest I would be disappointed. It's the fact there are actual discussions here that don't amount to fangirl pant-wetting (UNLIKE OTHER THREADS I COULD NAME LOLOLOLOLOLOL) that makes me not embarrassed to read this thread :innocent:CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
I sometimes feel a little guilty getting into these long back-and-forths, but it's long back-and-forths like this that made this thread top Fenris, so I hope they're not too distressing. Apologies for the lack of kittens, I will endeavor to find some.
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Posté 09 juin 2011 - 02:09
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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
I sometimes feel a little guilty getting into these long back-and-forths, but it's long back-and-forths like this that made this thread top Fenris, so I hope they're not too distressing. Apologies for the lack of kittens, I will endeavor to find some.
Nahhh, I've very thoroughly and genuinely enjoyed reading all of this. I find it all to be incredibly fascinating and inspiring. I also really appreciate how civil it's been. It's so refreshing to be able to read an intelligent discussion/debate and be able to fully respect and understand all sides.
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Posté 09 juin 2011 - 02:10
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ipgd wrote...
If this thread just became a ******-fest I would be disappointed. It's the fact there are actual discussions here that don't amount to fangirl pant-wetting (UNLIKE OTHER THREADS I COULD NAME LOLOLOLOLOLOL) that makes me not embarrassed to read this thread :innocent:CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
I sometimes feel a little guilty getting into these long back-and-forths, but it's long back-and-forths like this that made this thread top Fenris, so I hope they're not too distressing. Apologies for the lack of kittens, I will endeavor to find some.
This thread was started to be for discussion, because I knew What Anders Did before the game came out and knew people would want to discuss it. I'm thrilled that it has, more or less, served that purpose.
Also, squeejuicepants wears me out. It's a testament to everyone's awesomeness that I have not resorted to figuring out how to get Anders naked in game so I can take pictures of him manhandling his staff.
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Posté 09 juin 2011 - 02:12
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Ryzaki wrote...
Amondra wrote...
It is, spoiled diva...damn cat has my soul....
Well so does mine. And it doesn't even pretend to be nice.
Still better than Freckles. Oh god I hated Freckles. So utterly evil he wouldn't even do the gentle biting Sky does. He would bite me until I bled, scratched me, hissed at me, chased me around the house (I was about 7), such an evil animal.
Yet nice as heck to my grandparents so they assumed I must've done something to him. <_<
Freckles could smell your fear...or you looked at him funny. Cats are fickle like that.
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Posté 09 juin 2011 - 02:14
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Come, now, don't sell yourself short. I've seen no indication that you could be tired by any amount of argument.KnightofPhoenix wrote...
It is tiring though.
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Posté 09 juin 2011 - 02:16
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Amondra wrote..
Freckles could smell your fear...or you looked at him funny. Cats are fickle like that.
He probably did. So mean.
There's a reason I prefer dogs. I've never had a bad experience with a dog. (Well with the exception of dog slobber from my aunt's huge lab that seemed to be under the impression that it was a puppy.
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Posté 09 juin 2011 - 02:17
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ipgd wrote...
Come, now, don't sell yourself short. I've seen no indication that you could be tired by any amount of argument.KnightofPhoenix wrote...
It is tiring though.
It's been a long while since I had the mega Loghain debates. Lost practise.
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Posté 09 juin 2011 - 02:38
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ipgd wrote...
CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
I sometimes feel a little guilty getting into these long back-and-forths, but it's long back-and-forths like this that made this thread top Fenris, so I hope they're not too distressing. Apologies for the lack of kittens, I will endeavor to find some.
If this thread just became a ******-fest I would be disappointed. It's the fact there are actual discussions here that don't amount to fangirl pant-wetting (UNLIKE OTHER THREADS I COULD NAME LOLOLOLOLOLOL) that makes me not embarrassed to read this thread :innocent:
Hey, I don't mind wetting my pants over a certain angsty elf.
Ha ha ha... But, I'm replaying Correm right now (who is my canon) and I just went through the Act 2 romance stuff with Anders so he's on my mind. Which is why I haven't been over to visit the Fenris peeps the last couple days trying to keep up with the pace of this one...Personally, I love characters and their histories and emotions and all of that. Obviously some people find other aspects of Thedas to be more interesting, but I like exploring the dynamic between, for example, my sarcastic!Hawke and Anders. I like thinking of what's between the lines spoken by the VA's, or behind the scenes completely. Though, I don't know, maybe that's more suited to fan-fiction-esque talks? ^^; I'm really close to writing one post-campaign about Correm and seriously mourning Anders while he deals with being viscount which he doesn't want to do... I think that friendmancing Anders, then executing him and siding with the Templars was really interesting, and I know it wouldn't have happened had I known anything about the game beforehand. It makes sense for Correm in roleplay, but the whole situation still stimulates my brainpan.
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I have two cats. XD They are my babies. The older one, I had her since she was six weeks old, so she grew up getting used to the strange things I do with her. I can shake her around, toss her across the room, make her dance, step on her tail, she's tolerant of pretty much anything. XD Ha ha. And, when they're at my mother's house, the cats like to go DASH DASH down the long hallway, making their little pitterpattery feet noises. It's fun watching cats together.
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Individual people interest me more than politics. Politics, it's easier to use a single fact to "prove" more than one conclusion, possibly even opposing ones. The difference lies in a person's fundamental beliefs about politics and people and society in general. Sometimes no matter how much you discuss things, those fundamental differences will keep anyone from coming to a consensus about anything.
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Posté 09 juin 2011 - 02:51
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Sort of silly. There seems to be far more soiling of garments(and loss of garments) in this thread than in a certain other thread, though with a fair amount of discussion in both.ipgd wrote...
If this thread just became a ******-fest I would be disappointed. It's the fact there are actual discussions here that don't amount to fangirl pant-wetting (UNLIKE OTHER THREADS I COULD NAME LOLOLOLOLOLOL) that makes me not embarrassed to read this thread :innocent:
...not including before the game came out. The Fenris thread pre-game-release was... disturbing. Not in a good way.
A bit like how this thread gets to be at times. anyway, I know it's been done perhaps 'too many' times, but I couldn't resist. *shameful self-promotion*
http://evelyn-hope.d...fluff-212302556
*prepares to be ignored laaa~*
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Posté 09 juin 2011 - 02:54
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The Fenris thread is just like the thread about my husband.
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Posté 09 juin 2011 - 02:58
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I'm not sure we're reading the same threads.Tealsie wrote...
Sort of silly. There seems to be far more soiling of garments(and loss of garments) in this thread than in a certain other thread, though with a fair amount of discussion in both.
...not including before the game came out. The Fenris thread pre-game-release was... disturbing. Not in a good way.
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Posté 09 juin 2011 - 03:03
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ipgd wrote...
I'm not sure we're reading the same threads.Tealsie wrote...
Sort of silly. There seems to be far more soiling of garments(and loss of garments) in this thread than in a certain other thread, though with a fair amount of discussion in both.
...not including before the game came out. The Fenris thread pre-game-release was... disturbing. Not in a good way.
I think the problem is a simple miscommunication. I believe the definition of "fangirl squee" being used here is including "fabulous depravity", which is obviously an incorrect use of the term. ::insert necroboner::
