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There's a reason change a death have a close symbolic association, and not just in Tarot cards. We are all changing all the time, and our past versions of ourself are in a sense dead. Often by the time you receive something you wished for it is no longer quite what you want, especially if it is something you have wanted for a long time. The way Anders reacts after the Chantry either way suggests that he has been changed by the event and is now less than happy with the outcome.


On the rivalry path, maybe. I think he's fairly content with the outcome on the friendship path. Aside from one comment where he's shocked by the rampant looting and rioting that occured right away, he seems at peace once you make it to the Gallows. But this interpretation hinges on whether or not you think Anders suspected jengaing the Chantry would launch a war or fix everything for mages all at once. I personally believe the former, and thus Anders achieved his goals and seems reasonably content.

It's hard to use the word "happy" in this context, admittedly. I think "satisfied" is probably more accurate.


Yeah, I have to say I didn't get the impression that he was unhappy with the outcome. That he hadn't considered the immediate rammifications for those not directly involved in the fighting, yes.

Your relationship with Anders is been based on supporting him and his cause (signposted by the fact that unlike the other LI's who's clothing change after you've slept with them - Anders clothing changes after you've distracted Elthina so he can plant the bomb) and I love that at the Gallows he's all business. If you've spared him you've got something important to do, and I think the strength of his character would be weakened if he showed emotion at this point (as nice as it would be for some acknowledgement). His resolution and determination are what make him so interesting and dynamic, and I just love a character that goes out and makes a change.

Which brings me squarely back to Sebastian - I sort of hope that Anders actions have given up a kick up the backside and stop him being such a wet lettuce. Posted Image

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ROFL wet lettuce, I like that.

That poor man and Justice have to learn to think a little farther ahead >_> that is one of their weaker points.

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Wow my canon game is fun so far.

Even though my Hawke does not get along with Anders or Fenris they work well as a team.
I clear out ANYTHING that gets in the way so fast.

Anders and Fenris on the same team are absolute murder on broody wheels.
Toss in a berserking S&S warrior and BOOM nothing lives.

Its funny when 3/4 of the group all hate each other.
Poor Varric is really having to run team dad right now.

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Also Anders at the start of act 2?
Fully rivaled.

Damn that was easy.

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

Also Anders at the start of act 2?
Fully rivaled.

Damn that was easy.


Anders is super easy to rival or friend. Not to mention super easy.

Modifié par mandamcmoo, 09 juin 2011 - 10:41 .


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mandamcmoo wrote...

Anders is super easy to rival or friend. Not to mention super easy.


That's what she said... Posted Image

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ElleMullineux wrote...

mandamcmoo wrote...

Anders is super easy to rival or friend. Not to mention super easy.


That's what she said... Posted Image


No, love, that's what I said. :wub:

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mandamcmoo wrote...

ElleMullineux wrote...

mandamcmoo wrote...

Anders is super easy to rival or friend. Not to mention super easy.


That's what she said... Posted Image


No, love, that's what I said. :wub:


:wub: yes

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awww - love and giggles. what a nice thing to come in to

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kromify wrote...

awww - love and giggles. what a nice thing to come in to


So much ANDERS RELATED love.:wizard:

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mandamcmoo wrote...

kromify wrote...

awww - love and giggles. what a nice thing to come in to


So much ANDERS RELATED love.:wizard:


I am SO feeling Anders-love today :wub: 

I am thinking, come Saturday morning and hubby at work, I will plonk myself in front of the PS3 and indulge in an epic Mage romance... 

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I said it before and I'll say it again. This is one of the most beautiful fan art out there. The idea behind it is terrific and the drawing style is really, really good. Cat-Aveline's expression is simply priceless! :D

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AndreaDraco wrote...

beckaliz wrote...


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I said it before and I'll say it again. This is one of the most beautiful fan art out there. The idea behind it is terrific and the drawing style is really, really good. Cat-Aveline's expression is simply priceless! :D


That is super cute. :wub: I want to know why Merrill-cat is...down there, and why she looks so mischieveous. :blink:

Modifié par Reflection Muse, 09 juin 2011 - 02:22 .


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Reflection Muse wrote...

That is super cute. :wub: I want to know why Merrill-cat is...down there, and why she looks so mischieveous. :blink:


Catnip in the pocketses.

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Reflection Muse wrote...
<snip cuteness> ... I want to know why Merrill-cat is...down there, and why she looks so mischieveous. :blink:

To me, she looks more shy than mischieveous. Merrill is socially awkward and more than a little bit timid. If she's keeping herself a long distance away from the other kitties and hiding, is it any real surprise?

Anders sounds as if he doesn't much like Merrill, but I am not sure that is strictly true. He is more blunt than Varric, but I really do believe that Anders is trying to help her because he cares what happens to her. And despite all the mean things Anders says to Merrill, and some are indeed nasty, she is always sympathetic toward him. Maybe she understands.

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berelinde wrote...

Reflection Muse wrote...
<snip cuteness> ... I want to know why Merrill-cat is...down there, and why she looks so mischieveous. :blink:

To me, she looks more shy than mischieveous. Merrill is socially awkward and more than a little bit timid. If she's keeping herself a long distance away from the other kitties and hiding, is it any real surprise?

Anders sounds as if he doesn't much like Merrill, but I am not sure that is strictly true. He is more blunt than Varric, but I really do believe that Anders is trying to help her because he cares what happens to her. And despite all the mean things Anders says to Merrill, and some are indeed nasty, she is always sympathetic toward him. Maybe she understands.


Actually, I think he and Merrill have the same type of relationship as Hawke and Carver do.  It's a rival sibling-hood.  They both think the other's wrong and wrong headed.  And both want the other to mend their ways before it's too late.  Merrill is the only companion who really speaks up to spare Anders.  The others leave it in Hawke's hands or in Sebastian's case, want him dead.

He may be cruel to her, but Anders, in his own blockheaded way, is trying to help her. 

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Sialater wrote...
He may be cruel to her, but Anders, in his own blockheaded way, is trying to help her. 

(nods) That was what I was trying to say.

Actually, the relationship between Anders and Merrill reminds me of the rivarly that can exist between Anders and Hawke. So who knows? Maybe they would have hooked up, had things been different...

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I strongly oppose the view of Anders as a terrorist "cause he blew up the Chantry and killed hundreds of innocents". 
Um no. He is not a terrorist.

Sigh. Why can't I just let these comments go?

Instead of starting this **** heap up again I'll just link one of our last arguments about it and make vaguely disgruntled gestures.

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berelinde wrote...

Reflection Muse wrote...
<snip cuteness> ... I want to know why Merrill-cat is...down there, and why she looks so mischieveous. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png

To me, she looks more shy than mischieveous. Merrill is socially awkward and more than a little bit timid. If she's keeping herself a long distance away from the other kitties and hiding, is it any real surprise?

Anders sounds as if he doesn't much like Merrill, but I am not sure that is strictly true. He is more blunt than Varric, but I really do believe that Anders is trying to help her because he cares what happens to her. And despite all the mean things Anders says to Merrill, and some are indeed nasty, she is always sympathetic toward him. Maybe she understands.


No surprise, no; it just made me chuckle. ;)
Forgive me this tangent, but your comments inspired me. :) I agree with you on the dynamic between Anders and Merrill and the intentions of each. I actually found their exchanges (and relationship) to be some of the more interesting ones in the game. I always felt Anders was fairly conflicted when it came to Merrill. He seems to genuinely care about and worry for her on a personal level, but he gets so frustrated and infuriated by the choices she makes (especially her seemingly lackadaisical attitude toward demons and how much she's distanced herself from, and seems to care little for, his cause and the plight of her fellow mages).

I think Merrill is a heck of a lot wiser than she comes across, and sees things on a totally different scope than Anders (not more correct or better, just different). Her few comments about spirits and demons, specifically, hinted at that. I always found her "Maybe things aren't so black-and-white as you believe them to be" attitude to be a colorful counter to Anders' views. She also, as you said, seems to understand and sympathize with what Anders is going through (to the point of trying to cheer him up and wishing him happiness), even when he harshly chides her for her choices.

Modifié par Reflection Muse, 09 juin 2011 - 03:07 .


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ipgd wrote...

elenilote wrote...

I strongly oppose the view of Anders as a terrorist "cause he blew up the Chantry and killed hundreds of innocents". 
Um no. He is not a terrorist.

Sigh. Why can't I just let these comments go?

Instead of starting this **** heap up again I'll just link one of our last arguments about it and make vaguely disgruntled gestures.


At this point, I think the word terrorist is functionally useless.

Indeed, the entire Wikipedia article on the Definition of Terrorism is basically scholars throwing up their hands and saying "it's become nothing more than a political cudgel; at this point there's no hope of having it mean anything coherent ever again."

I'm not going to argue whether or not Anders is a terrorist, because the word's definition is so vague that it can be applied to practically anyone who has ever done anything that results in people being afraid. I just wish it would stop coming up, and every time it does I get a dark pit in my chest. It's almost a Godwin, at this point... heck, I'd say it's worse than a Godwin, because that word actually MEANS something specific and has a very specific historical relevance.

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Haha - Good morning Americans/Canadians/people over on the far west *waves*

@ipgd firstly - Looking back at your quoted posts, I have to say my pov has shifted slightly since coming across the stuff about the circles/college of magi. So... whilst I agree with CCG that the terms 'terrorist' and 'terrorism' are now a large wooly mess and we end up arguing semantics more than anything, I do now see Anders actions as part of a concerted effort to make real change through direct action.

Modifié par ElleMullineux, 09 juin 2011 - 03:09 .


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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

At this point, I think the word terrorist is functionally useless.

Indeed, the entire Wikipedia article on the Definition of Terrorism is basically scholars throwing up their hands and saying "it's become nothing more than a political cudgel; at this point there's no hope of having it mean anything coherent ever again."

I'm not going to argue whether or not Anders is a terrorist, because the word's definition is so vague that it can be applied to practically anyone who has ever done anything that results in people being afraid. I just wish it would stop coming up, and every time it does I get a dark pit in my chest. It's almost a Godwin, at this point... heck, I'd say it's worse than a Godwin, because that word actually MEANS something specific and has a very specific historical relevance.


AGREED. Terrorist/ism are words that have gone beyond any absolute definition. They have been used in so many contexts and as weapons by so many different parties (in a not strictly political sense) that they have lost any real use value.

What we're left with are opinions. The words themselves have become devoid of any concrete meaning.

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ElleMullineux wrote...

Haha - Good morning Americans/Canadians/people over on the far west *waves*

@ipgd firstly - Looking back at your quoted posts, I have to say my pov has shifted slightly since coming across the stuff about the circles/college of magi. So... whilst I agree with CCG that the terms 'terrorist' and 'terrorism' are now a large wooly mess and we end up arguing semantics more than anything, I do now see Anders actions as part of a concerted effort to make real change through direct action.


:D now the real fun starts, eh? 

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Since I'm already vaguely angry now (not at any of you lovely people, more at recalled arguments and political rhetoric in general), and we've already started tossing around the political hot potatos, I want to post something vaguely controversial that I've always thought but hesitated to post. Perhaps you can forgive me this indulgence here, oh warm and forgiving arms of the Anders thread.

In every single conversation about mages I want to post the following, and do not because I'm worried that it's inappropriate/disrespectful/gauche:

"First they came for the mages, and I didn't speak out because I was not a mage.
Then they came for the elves, and I didn't speak out because I was not an elf.
Then they came for followers of the Qun, and I didn't speak out because I was not a Quinari
Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me."

Yeaaaaah, I know. I'm a terrible person. But I'd at least like to post the first line of it. Still... sigh. By the ground rules of internet rhetoric, I'm not allowed to quote Niemoller, but people can trot out the terrorist line as much as they gorram want.

I'd at least like to feel comfortable using the first line, but nooooo.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 09 juin 2011 - 03:23 .


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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Since I'm already vaguely angry now (not at any of you lovely people, more at recalled arguments and political rhetoric in general), and we've already started tossing around the political topics I want to post something vaguely controversial that I've always been worried about posting. Perhaps you can forgive me this indulgence here, oh warm and forgiving arms of the Anders thread.

In every. Single. Conversation about mages I want to post the following, and do not because I'm worried that it's inappropriate/disrespectful/gauche.

But I always want to say this:

"First they came for the mages, and I didn't speak out because I was not a mage.
Then they came for the elves, and I didn't speak out because I was not an elf.
Then they came for followers of the Qun, and I didn't speak out because I was not a Quinari
Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me."

Yeaaaaah, I know. I'm a terrible person. But I'd at least like to post the first line of it. Still... sigh. I'm not allowed to quote Niemoller, but people can trot out the terrorist line as much as they gorram want.

I'd at least like to feel comfortable using the first line, but nooooo.


I think this is very appropriate, it picks helluva punch (also in it's original form). 

But not sure why you think this would be disrespectful? I might be missing something, please enlighten me if I am... :blink: