Amondra wrote...
I don't want to get into any of this but I will say. He shouldn't but did, yes he is unstable and even people who are aware of their state are known to act out despite what they may think of it. Their minds will justify it or tell them there is nothing else left. I get you think it is because of this he shouldn't have but he did, no changing it now, it has already happened.
kromify wrote...
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Sialater wrote...
No one is giving Anders any credit. Not even the people who live in his world.
I think some here are.
Not saying they are wrong. Just expressing my opinion that I reject giving him any credit.
we give him credit for starting the war. not for winning it. (or losing but that won't happen lalalala)
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highcastle wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Sialater wrote...
Considering there's already part 3 planned, I'm pretty sure we can't judge his ultimate actions yet in any event.
I'm really hoping we're not forced on a side to begin with. And can choose which side to push towards victory (even if a Eldtrich abomination/archedemon turns up at the last minute to completely screw it over).
Agreed. Someone brought up the possibility of playing as a Chantry Seeker, and I immediately balked. First, I don't want to support the Chantry. Second, how will I be a mage? Plus, if I can't be Hawke in the next game, I at least want to dedicate myself to his and Anders' cause, and run around Thedas bestowing kittens on people who are down on their luck.
BLAM! "You just got kitten-ed!" It'd be the fluffiest, fuzziest revolution ever.
And okay, because kromify told me to, I guess I better get Chapter 11 up soon. :innocent:
Sialater wrote...
Hey, perfection takes time. :innocent:
And it's always right at the "OMG WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN NEXT!?!" point. All of you are pure evil! EVIL I SAY!
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
kromify wrote...
everyone here on the anders thread acknowledges that he is not the best strategiser. the point is that no one else was prepared to strategise.
As such, no one should have done anything imo. The world is not going to end. Mages are not under an imminent threat of extinction.
The problem is, Anders is fully accepting of the idea that mages being eradicated is better than the life they are leading now, so I do not think he thought of victory or change that much. A premise I reject.
Ryzaki wrote...
Sialater wrote...
Hey, perfection takes time. :innocent:
That time could be a little faster. T_T Every second is torture. Checking back on FFN everyday praying and hoping the fic's been updated. But nooooooo. No update.
kromify wrote...
meredith had already sent for the rite of annulment. they are under a pretty damn big threat. even if it was rejected (which i don't think it would have been considering divine justinia was considering an exalted march) they are still being tranqiled left right and centre for minor infractions. illegally.
and i don't believe anders does fully accept the idea of mages being eradicated being better... he wants open warfare because it gives a mere chance of hope. but this is kinda subjective depending on how we interpret his words...
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
kromify wrote...
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Sialater wrote...
No one is giving Anders any credit. Not even the people who live in his world.
I think some here are.
Not saying they are wrong. Just expressing my opinion that I reject giving him any credit.
we give him credit for starting the war. not for winning it. (or losing but that won't happen lalalala)
For me, starting a war is not intrinsically valuable to give credit to Anders for that. Furthermore, that's the easiest part.
Sialater wrote...
Heh, good thing I have no DA2 stuff in the works.
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
And considering how pathetic mages were in the battle, I don't think they have that much hope.
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Ryzaki wrote...
Sialater wrote...
Heh, good thing I have no DA2 stuff in the works.
Yes. I would totally start stalking you if that was the case Sia. :innocent:
And don't tell me you have HP/LOTR fics or I *will* start stalking you.
kromify wrote...
well it's not valuble unless you're the oppressed!
KnightofPhoenix wrote..
Those are the mages in Kirkwall only.
And Anders wants the RoA to happen, he is not trying to prevent it.
And considering how pathetic mages were in the battle, I don't think they have that much hope.
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Modifié par kromify, 09 juin 2011 - 09:00 .
Sialater wrote...
Uh, no ma'am. My insanity only extends to Bioware.
And the only reason I haven't started DA2 is because Zevran's drowning out Anders. Probably to get back for the whole ****blocking thing.
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
kromify wrote...
well it's not valuble unless you're the oppressed!
I don't agree with this premise. Anders is risking either total annihilation or even worse oppression.
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
kromify wrote...
well it's not valuble unless you're the oppressed!
I don't agree with this premise. Anders is risking either total annihilation or even worse oppression.
kromify wrote...
KnightofPhoenix wrote..
Those are the mages in Kirkwall only.
And Anders wants the RoA to happen, he is not trying to prevent it.
isn't that enough?
against warriors trained and fed lyrium specifically to be mage-bashing battering rams? even hawke had trouble with the templars in the courtyard. they kept stealing my potions! argh
highcastle wrote...
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
kromify wrote...
well it's not valuble unless you're the oppressed!
I don't agree with this premise. Anders is risking either total annihilation or even worse oppression.
They're already oppressed. So that's not a risk, it's a certainty. As for total annihilation, kromify just told you Meredith sent for the Right of Annulment. So...yeah. Not a risk either.
Anders wanted the RoA to happen in a very specific circumstance that he could manipulate to his political advantage.KnightofPhoenix wrote...
And Anders wants the RoA to happen, he is not trying to prevent it.
Ryzaki wrote...
Sialater wrote...
Uh, no ma'am. My insanity only extends to Bioware.
And the only reason I haven't started DA2 is because Zevran's drowning out Anders. Probably to get back for the whole ****blocking thing.
Sad for me...lucky for you.
Now you should know better than to ****block Zevran Sia! The man has a healthy appetite.
But has it improved a little? Your handle on Anders? I'm trying to replay the rivalry path to get a handle on rival Anders but the stupid Sunder bug has killed my drive.
Amondra wrote...
Can't you say the mages sucked in battle, because of gameplay? I mean if they did good and Orsino saw the Champion cleaning the floor with Templars and didn't turn to blood magic, the end game would have gone a little differently. Even siding with the Templars, mages do bad in combat because of game play and they are meant to be fodder before a boss, also you have plot armor and weapons...
So judging how well they would do based off the game seems kind of umm hollow. (?)
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
kromify wrote...
KnightofPhoenix wrote..
Those are the mages in Kirkwall only.
And Anders wants the RoA to happen, he is not trying to prevent it.
isn't that enough?
For me, no. There are many more Circles involved. Anders is risking all of them.against warriors trained and fed lyrium specifically to be mage-bashing battering rams? even hawke had trouble with the templars in the courtyard. they kept stealing my potions! argh
So why do they think they can win a war against those very Templars?
kromify wrote...
a successful war is valuble!
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