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[AtreiyaN7]

kromify wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

kromify wrote...
well it's not valuble unless you're the oppressed! 

I don't agree with this premise. Anders is risking either total annihilation or even worse oppression.

ahh... try to make a joke  

a successful war is valuble!  

Or a revolution vis-a-vis, say, the American Revolution. I think that one was pretty win.

[KnightofPhoenix]

kromify wrote...
they didn't. anders rather hoped and then went all laser kitty on elthina  :innocent:

Exactly, hence why I reject his act.

[Ryzaki]

Sialater wrote...
I'm getting my Single Shepard through ME1 & 2 before I go back.  The Fenris-mance bug I hit has killed Anna's game for the time being.  And since I was planning on replaying her anyway, I want to save the galaxy a time or two first.

I didn't ****block Zevran!  Anders did, in the game!  But I do think I'm slowly getting his voice.  So I will have to figure out the Rivalmance sooner than later so I can get the full "gem" that is Anders.  Margaret wants to yell at him.

 

Saving the galaxy is always fun.  I might want to replay my renedouche and my canon guy in time for ME3. But that's a while away. 

You did it for bringing Anders along. You knew what you were doing.  That's good. Margaret totally should yell at him. He needs some good shouting. 

[kromify]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

kromify wrote...
a successful war is valuble!  

What makes Anders so sure it will be succesful?
Mages were utterly pathetic at the end.

And if some mages manage to make it succesful, I'll give the credit to them.

because hawke was there of course!!!  

[KnightofPhoenix]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
Or a revolution vis-a-vis, say, the American Revolution. I think that one was pretty win.

I didn't know the American Revolution was led by a tiny minority that is feared and hated by everyone else, for both religious and practical reasons.

You learn somethign everyday.

[Sialater]

Ryzaki wrote...

Sialater wrote...
I'm getting my Single Shepard through ME1 & 2 before I go back.  The Fenris-mance bug I hit has killed Anna's game for the time being.  And since I was planning on replaying her anyway, I want to save the galaxy a time or two first.

I didn't ****block Zevran!  Anders did, in the game!  But I do think I'm slowly getting his voice.  So I will have to figure out the Rivalmance sooner than later so I can get the full "gem" that is Anders.  Margaret wants to yell at him.

 

Saving the galaxy is always fun.  I might want to replay my renedouche and my canon guy in time for ME3. But that's a while away. 

You did it for bringing Anders along. You knew what you were doing.  That's good. Margaret totally should yell at him. He needs some good shouting. 

Actually, at the time, I didn't.  Besides, it's Zevran... you HAVE to flirt with him.  Even with his makeover.

And yes, Maggie Hawke has some choice words for her lover.

[Sialater]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
Or a revolution vis-a-vis, say, the American Revolution. I think that one was pretty win.

I didn't know the American Revolution was led by a tiny minority that is feared and hated by everyone else, for both religious and practical reasons.

You learn somethign everyday.

The Founding Fathers weren't in the majority at the time.


ETA:  As time went on, it was a case of the Empire tightening its grip and star systems, er colonies, slipping away.

Modifié par Sialater, 09 juin 2011 - 09:07 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

kromify wrote...
because hawke was there of course!!!  

Hawke could have been a pro-Templar fanatic who would gladly put mages down (as much as the game allows that kind of rping).

[Ryzaki]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

I have to admit being very concerned for the mages now. Most of them are just apprentices, who barely know how to control their powers. Most of them have no idea how to even live outside the Circle, much less conduct proper warfare, and now they have to learn that while under constant threat from enemy templars and demons who would take advantage of them in their vulnerable state. They probably wont get much support from the common people.
I can only hope that the states intervene before the war goes too far.

 

This is my large issue. 

Most of them are nothing but civilians being shoved into a war that they had no preparation for. They are gonna be the ones (like that girl surronded by templars) who turn to the demons in fear and cause even more damage. They're not ready to be shoved out into the world with nothing to turn too and no one to rely on but each other. Many of them have no money. How are they gonna eat? Where are they gonna live? Where are they gonna get clothing and other supplies? Especially expensive as hell lyrium? They'll have to turn to bloodmagic which will only make them outcasts all the more. 

They are used to havinga certain lifestyle (slaves or not) they are used to having food prepared for them, for having clothing just there, for having a place to stay, beds to lie on, books to read. Unlike the elves they aren't left to fend for themselves. Everything is provided for. (Probably to create a reliance on the circle) 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 juin 2011 - 09:12 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sialater wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
Or a revolution vis-a-vis, say, the American Revolution. I think that one was pretty win.

I didn't know the American Revolution was led by a tiny minority that is feared and hated by everyone else, for both religious and practical reasons.

You learn somethign everyday.

The Founding Fathers weren't in the majority at the time.

But they led a mass populist movement (aimign to rally up all Americans) that caught steam.

They were not a tiny mionority that are hated and feared by everyone else. Nor did they act in such a way as to alienate huge chunks of the population.

[kromify]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
Or a revolution vis-a-vis, say, the American Revolution. I think that one was pretty win.

I didn't know the American Revolution was led by a tiny minority that is feared and hated by everyone else, for both religious and practical reasons.

You learn somethign everyday.

by the british, you heathen! (sorry, rp-ing religion)

[kromify]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

kromify wrote...
because hawke was there of course!!!  

Hawke could have been a pro-Templar fanatic who would gladly put mages down (as much as the game allows that kind of rping).

well his grip on sanity isn't at it's strongest!?  

[Ryzaki]

Sialater wrote...
Actually, at the time, I didn't.  Besides, it's Zevran... you HAVE to flirt with him.  Even with his makeover.

And yes, Maggie Hawke has some choice words for her lover.

 

Yeah...that makeover.  At least Alistair's blehness was caused by lighting. That was good to know. Though yes one can't resist flirting wth Zev. 

What I wouldn't give to be a fly in the room.  

[Sialater]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sialater wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
Or a revolution vis-a-vis, say, the American Revolution. I think that one was pretty win.

I didn't know the American Revolution was led by a tiny minority that is feared and hated by everyone else, for both religious and practical reasons.

You learn somethign everyday.

The Founding Fathers weren't in the majority at the time.

But they led a mass populist movement (aimign to rally up all Americans) that caught steam.

They were not a tiny mionority that are hated and feared by everyone else. Nor did they act in such a way as to alienate huge chunks of the population.

.... They were quite alienated.  They had no money and no support.  The average soldier was wearing rags for boots toward the beginning and middle of the fight.

[Patchwork]

As long as I get the choice to eventually support which ever side I want I think playing a Seeker would be interesting. Especially if Liliana or Cassandra were your mentor.

What happened to push the other circles to rebel is unknown. I have a hard time believing Kirkwall was the first time mages took drastic action and annulment was called for in questionable circumstances.

[highcastle]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sialater wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
Or a revolution vis-a-vis, say, the American Revolution. I think that one was pretty win.

I didn't know the American Revolution was led by a tiny minority that is feared and hated by everyone else, for both religious and practical reasons.

You learn somethign everyday.

The Founding Fathers weren't in the majority at the time.

But they led a mass populist movement (aimign to rally up all Americans) that caught steam.

They were not a tiny mionority that are hated and feared by everyone else. Nor did they act in such a way as to alienate huge chunks of the population.

I'm not really sure how much the American Revolution is an apt comparison to the mage one. But the Irish Revolution...

After the Easter Rising, the nationalists who committed what was at that time treason, were generally thought of us upstarts. Despised and hated might be too strong, but condemned for sure. And then what happened? The British executed them one by one. They made them martyrs, rallying cries. And suddenly what was a small movement (most Irish supported Home Rule at this point, and didn't see the need for a completely independent Ireland) gained a ton of momentum.

Does this sound familiar? Anders is trying to do exactly this to himself.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sialater wrote...
.... They were quite alienated.  They had no money and no support.  The average soldier was wearing rags for boots toward the beginning and middle of the fight.

I didn't say they were well equipped. But they had an army, both regulars and militia.
It was not an unpopular movement, nor was it a tiny minority doing all this. Especially not one that is hated and feared by everyone else.

[kromify]

 if wishes were kittens we'd all be very scratched with ripped curtains

[Ryzaki]

Ser Bard wrote...

As long as I get the choice to eventually support which ever side I want I think playing a Seeker would be interesting. Especially if Liliana or Cassandra were your mentor.

What happened to push the other circles to rebel is unknown. I have a hard time believing Kirkwall was the first time mages took drastic action and annulment was called for in questionable circumstances.

 

I'd rather serve under Cassandra personally. Serving under Leliana will just make me think "how exactly did you surivive the Warden killing you?" and will just bug me. 

And agreed. I really doubt Kirkwall was the first time an annullment was called for when the circle had done nothing wrong. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

highcastle wrote...
Does this sound familiar? Anders is trying to do exactly this to himself.

I don't think they blew up churches.

In any case, I am not saying that mages can't possibly win. They might.
What I am saying, is that I'll give credit to thsoe who win and work for it. Not Anders. That's it.

[kromify]

random q but what exactly is ninjamancing? i feel a bit derp

[Giggles_Manically]

kromify wrote...

random q but what exactly is ninjamancing? i feel a bit derp

Its when a character says that you are in a romance with them even though you cant recall ever picking a romance line, or flirting.

Mass Effect 1 was bad for this. 

[Sialater]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

kromify wrote...

random q but what exactly is ninjamancing? i feel a bit derp

Its when a character says that you are in a romance with them even though you cant recall ever picking a romance line, or flirting.

Mass Effect 1 was bad for this. 

Liara! 

God, I hope I shut her down. 

[Lady Dino]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

kromify wrote...
Kirkwall was an opportunity that no one else took advantage of.

Because Hawke is an idiot yes.
What I am syaing is that Anders, where he mentally capable, could have tried to do something else. He can't, because he is metnally unstable. Which is why he shouldnt' have done anything.

and who is ever ready for change? we like our little ruts, thank you very much

Compeltely ready for change? No one is completly ready.
But there are scenarios where you have better chances at winning and building a future, thanks to planning, allies and the like. And there are scenarios where you are rushing in blindly.

But the game already provides you with a way to put down the mage rebellion before it starts. Side with the templars, restore order, execute Anders.

The mages still rebel because apperently they did want to rebel. Who would have thought that being carrolled, used and abused like cattle would be the breaking point for any free thinking human/elf being. 

Anders forces your hand only so far as having to pick a side. Hawke has to decide what s/he plans to do about it. 

The reason the writer's take it out of the players hands, and keep in mind this just my oppinion please don't quote me on it, is because the mage rebellion is going to effect Thedas in a huge way. With the Tevinter Imerium warring with the Qunari, Orlais & Ferelden on the verge of another war and now the Chantry/Templars verses a mage revolution, Thedas is fit to bursting with conflict and drama and holy **** I just got myself all excited for the next game. 

Anyway my point is Anders knows he's only getting the ball rolling by resolving the Kirkwall templar vs mage situation and that it's up to the mages themselves to decide what to do about it. He gets it just as much as you and the rest of us do. That's why he's okay with dying, he just wanted to do something to stop the gross injustice, that was Meredith ruling as Knight-Commander/Viscount and Elthina letting her get away with murder and whatever the hell else the lyrium addled **** wanted.

Modifié par Lady Dino, 09 juin 2011 - 09:21 .