Giggles_Manically wrote...
Its when a character says that you are in a romance with them even though you cant recall ever picking a romance line, or flirting.kromify wrote...
random q but what exactly is ninjamancing? i feel a bit derp
Mass Effect 1 was bad for this.
Modifié par kromify, 09 juin 2011 - 09:21 .
Guest_Queen-Of-Stuff_*
Just so. I very much want to agree with Anders decision of starting the war, but as it stands, the mages have next to no chance of winning or even surviving if the war drags on for any considerable length of time. That Cassandra speaks of people wanting to put an end to the war is a relief, but I'm not certain why she thinks Hawke or even the Warden are the people to make such a thing occur. Hawke utterly sucks at stopping wars.Ryzaki wrote...
This is my large issue.
Most of them are nothing but civilians being shoved into a war that they had no preparation for. They are gonna be the ones (like that girl surronded by templars) who turn to the demons in fear and cause even more damage. They're not ready to be shoved out into the world with nothing to turn too and no one to rely on but each other. Many of them have no money. How are they gonna eat? Where are they gonna live? Where are they gonna get clothing and other supplies? Especially expensive as hell lyrium? They'll have to turn to bloodmagic which will only make them outcasts all the more.
They are used to havinga certain lifestyle (slaves or not) they are used to having food prepared for them, for having clothing just there, for having a place to stay, beds to lie on, books to read. Unlike the elves they aren't left to fend for themselves. Everything is provided for. (Probably to create a reliance on the circle)
Sialater wrote...
Giggles_Manically wrote...
Its when a character says that you are in a romance with them even though you cant recall ever picking a romance line, or flirting.kromify wrote...
random q but what exactly is ninjamancing? i feel a bit derp
Mass Effect 1 was bad for this.
Liara!
God, I hope I shut her down.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 juin 2011 - 09:22 .
Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...
Just so. I very much want to agree with Anders decision of starting the war, but as it stands, the mages have next to no chance of winning or even surviving if the war drags on for any considerable length of time. That Cassandra speaks of people wanting to put an end to the war is a relief, but I'm not certain why she thinks Hawke or even the Warden are the people to make such a thing occur. Hawke utterly sucks at stopping wars.Ryzaki wrote...
This is my large issue.
Most of them are nothing but civilians being shoved into a war that they had no preparation for. They are gonna be the ones (like that girl surronded by templars) who turn to the demons in fear and cause even more damage. They're not ready to be shoved out into the world with nothing to turn too and no one to rely on but each other. Many of them have no money. How are they gonna eat? Where are they gonna live? Where are they gonna get clothing and other supplies? Especially expensive as hell lyrium? They'll have to turn to bloodmagic which will only make them outcasts all the more.
They are used to havinga certain lifestyle (slaves or not) they are used to having food prepared for them, for having clothing just there, for having a place to stay, beds to lie on, books to read. Unlike the elves they aren't left to fend for themselves. Everything is provided for. (Probably to create a reliance on the circle)
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
highcastle wrote...
Does this sound familiar? Anders is trying to do exactly this to himself.
I don't think they blew up churches.
In any case, I am not saying that mages can't possibly win. They might.
What I am saying, is that I'll give credit to thsoe who win and work for it. Not Anders. That's it.
Ryzaki wrote...
Sialater wrote...
Giggles_Manically wrote...
Its when a character says that you are in a romance with them even though you cant recall ever picking a romance line, or flirting.kromify wrote...
random q but what exactly is ninjamancing? i feel a bit derp
Mass Effect 1 was bad for this.
Liara!
God, I hope I shut her down.
Ashley is terrible at this. For some reason talking about her father = I want to have relations with you
...Uh...
LIara's kind of easy. Just choose the paragon no. (The renegade no has a bug? Where she seems to think you calling her kind disgusting = I want to have relations with you)
Guest_Queen-Of-Stuff_*
Sialater wrote...
She did a good job stopping the Qunari invasion...
Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...
Just so. I very much want to agree with Anders decision of starting the war, but as it stands, the mages have next to no chance of winning or even surviving if the war drags on for any considerable length of time. That Cassandra speaks of people wanting to put an end to the war is a relief, but I'm not certain why she thinks Hawke or even the Warden are the people to make such a thing occur. Hawke utterly sucks at stopping wars.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 juin 2011 - 09:28 .
Lady Dino wrote...
The mages still rebel because apperently they did want to rebel. Who would have thought that being carrolled, used and abused like cattle would be the breaking point for any free thinking human/elf being.
Anyway my point is Anders knows he's only getting the ball rolling by resolving the Kirkwall templar vs mage situation and that it's up to the mages themselves to decide what to do about it.
Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...
Sialater wrote...
She did a good job stopping the Qunari invasion...
All she had to do was cut the head off of the leader and then the rest of the invading forces went home without a fuss. I'm not sure it'll be as simple this time.
Guest_Queen-Of-Stuff_*
Giggles_Manically wrote...
If the war has gone on for what like three years it seems the mages got support from somewhere.
Most likely Tevinter.
highcastle wrote...
And while you may not give Anders credit, that doesn't mean Thedas will ignore him.
Ryzaki wrote...
Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...
Just so. I very much want to agree with Anders decision of starting the war, but as it stands, the mages have next to no chance of winning or even surviving if the war drags on for any considerable length of time. That Cassandra speaks of people wanting to put an end to the war is a relief, but I'm not certain why she thinks Hawke or even the Warden are the people to make such a thing occur. Hawke utterly sucks at stopping wars.
See if Anders had shown me militas of mages (apprentices learning survival skills and the like or having older mages tutor them on such skills) I'd be more on board with him. As it is it seems to me like dragging the girl from her abusive home (abusive but she was still feed, clothed, housed and the works and never did a day's work in her life and has no work skills) out in the street and saying "you're free!" Uh...it's a nice thought in theory. But in practice he probably just damned the girl to being a prostitue or a begger (if she's not straight up raped and murdered) if she doesn't end up being lucky enough to find someone to take her in.
Really if she should be looking for anyone it's the Warden. Hawke just sits on his/her hands while the incident exploded in the first place, didn't pick a side until 3 years after being named Champion and...yeah.
Sialater wrote...
Good that's what I took. I love ME1, but there's only so many times I can resist Kaidan.
Resisting Anders for Fenris is hard enough.
Guest_Queen-Of-Stuff_*
highcastle wrote...
Yeah, especially when Leliana's had her head cut off before and it didn't seem to take.
(I know she's not the leader; I couldn't resist anyway.)
Perhaps she got some help from Quentin. He seemed to be good at reattatching vital bodyparts.
highcastle wrote...
Um...we don't know anything about how Anders freed the mages. You don't know that he just stripped them from their beds with no preparation and said, "You're free." The game gives us no insight into his mage underground.
Again...your Hawke maybe sat on his sides. Mine was dancing the revolution conga from the beginning, trying to become viscount, etc. My Hawke was proactive. Just because he failed, doesn't mean he didn't try. But let's not bring Hawke into a thread about Anders, shall we? Threads have been locked for less in the past.
Actually you're right. He's a bit worse as he expectsthem tofight for their freedom or die. They no longer have a choice to simply live in the abuseive home.
Does that matter? If he does end up making himself into a symbol to be exploited, that in itself will be incredibly valuable to the morale of the revolution.KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I don't happen to see popular opinion as intrinsically valuable and more often then not, they are not based on real and concrete understanding of what they are celebrating.
Ryzaki wrote...
At least Alistair's blehness was caused by lighting.
CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
Another new, relevant Anders Song. I was trying to explain the philosophy of just... having to do something, having to try. I was gonna tie in Flemeth's advice, and then I realized this song does it a billion times better than I ever could.
Anders is Elpheba. Hawke is Glinda.
Defying Gravity.
HAWKE
why couldn't you have stayed calm for once, instead of flying off the handle!
I hope you're happy!
I hope you're happy now
I hope you're happy how you
Hurt your cause forever
I hope you think you're clever!
ANDERS
I hope you're happy
I hope you're happy, too
I hope you're proud how you
Would grovel in submission
To feed your own ambition
BOTH
So though I can't imagine how
I hope you're happy right now
HAWKE
Anders, listen to me. Just stop what you've started.
You can have all you ever wanted...
ANDERS
I know:
But I don't want it -
No - I can't want it
Anymore...
Something has changed within me
Something is not the same
I'm through with playing by the rules
Of someone else's game
Too late for second-guessing
Too late to go back to sleep
It's time to trust my instincts
Close my eyes, and leap!
It's time to try
Defying gravity
I think I'll try
Defying gravity
And you can't pull me down!
HAWKE
Can't I make you understand?
You're having delusions of grandeur
ANDERS
I'm through accepting limits
'Cuz someone says they're so
Some things I cannot change
But till I try, I'll never know!
Too long I've been afraid of
Losing love I guess I've lost
Well, if that's love
It comes at much too high a cost!
I'd sooner buy
Defying gravity
Kiss me goodbye
I'm defying gravity
And you can't pull me down.
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Lady Dino wrote...
The mages still rebel because apperently they did want to rebel. Who would have thought that being carrolled, used and abused like cattle would be the breaking point for any free thinking human/elf being.
Which is something I do not believe is explained well and needs to be explored in DA3.
As per Awakening, most mages did not want to secede from the Chantry at Cumberland and the Libertarians, with the breaking off of the Resolutionists, weakened in front of the Aequitarian / Loyalist coalition.
Now it could be argued that what happened in Kirkwall set them off. But I scratch my head and wonder what's so inpisring about mages losing in a complete and utter debacle, not being able to stand for a few hours, let alone a few days? Had the battle lasted for a week, I can understand that.
So I really think somethign is missing between DA2 and the mass revolt. Could be Templars over-reacting everywhere else. Could be Resolutionist attacks. Something, imo, must have happened to add fuel to the fire.Anyway my point is Anders knows he's only getting the ball rolling by resolving the Kirkwall templar vs mage situation and that it's up to the mages themselves to decide what to do about it.
And that for me is not a respectable attitude. Because he is deliberately forcing the mages into a corner. He is not giving them a hcoice. He is betting on the fatc that the Tempalrs will over react, at least in Kirkwall.
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Batteries wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
At least Alistair's blehness was caused by lighting.
Bad lighting caused... that?
Modifié par Queen-Of-Stuff, 09 juin 2011 - 09:43 .
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