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[Reflection Muse]

Sialater wrote...

Reflection Muse wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Ugh, Giggles.... i know it's all Hi-C's fault.... but really? LMAO

Anyway...It is amusing as hell to me that Anders and Fenris together make up such a badass team and they cannot stand each other. At all.

Their few exchanges if you've "bedded" them both are some of my favorite swoon-worthy party banters in the game. (I think this requires high friendship with both, too.)

I've heard some of them.  How do they differ if they're both Friends?

I haven't done any rivalry playthroughs yet, so I'm unsure if it differs, but I would find it awfully weird if Fenris were just as fiercly protective of and loyal to Hawke on a rival path as he is on a friendship path. I could be toootally wrong!

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Modifié par Reflection Muse, 10 juin 2011 - 03:00 .

[Sialater]

Reflection Muse wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Reflection Muse wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Ugh, Giggles.... i know it's all Hi-C's fault.... but really? LMAO

Anyway...It is amusing as hell to me that Anders and Fenris together make up such a badass team and they cannot stand each other. At all.

Their few exchanges if you've "bedded" them both are some of my favorite swoon-worthy party banters in the game. (I think this requires high friendship with both, too.)

I've heard some of them.  How do they differ if they're both Friends?

I haven't done any rivalry playthroughs yet, so I'm unsure if it differs, but I would find it awfully weird if Fenris were just as fiercly protective of and loyal to Hawke on a rival path as he is on a friendship path. I could be toootally wrong!

I don't see why not, he loves her either way.

[SurelyForth]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I don't know, I think Fenris and Anders fighting side by side would have them worry more about watching their back than anything else.

I don't think either one would try anything w. Hawke around. However, my side w. the templars for science! ending where we had to fight Anders ended within seconds as Fenris scythed him to death before I could even move.

I've gotten the Anders/Fenris bickering over Hawke stuff on my Friendmance Anders/Rivalmance Fenris playthrough (with bonus Isabela piping up for them to get over themselves and, btw, she slept with Hawke, too).

The only thing I've never gotten, with friend or rival Fenris, is the conversation where Anders will tell Fenris that he loves Hawke.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 10 juin 2011 - 03:00 .

[Giggles_Manically]

I have done Fenris' rivalry path as a romance and a non-romance.

He disagrees with Hawke a lot (understatement) and there is tons of tension.
But he does respect Hawke a lot on that path still.

[KnightofPhoenix]

SurelyForth wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I don't know, I think Fenris and Anders fighting side by side would have them worry more about watching their back than anything else.

I don't think either one would try anything w. Hawke around. However, my side w. the templars for science! ending where we had to fight Anders ended within seconds as Fenris scythed him to death before I could even move.

Was saving it for sure.

[Reflection Muse]

Sialater wrote...I don't see why not, he loves her either way.

That's a very good point! 

[Sialater]

Reflection Muse wrote...

Sialater wrote...I don't see why not, he loves her either way.

That's a very good point! 

Poor Fen.  He sets himself for some serious unrequitedness by leaving that first night and letting Hawke run to someone else, like... Anders.

[Sarielle]

Sialater wrote...

Reflection Muse wrote...

Sialater wrote...I don't see why not, he loves her either way.

That's a very good point! 

Poor Fen.  He sets himself for some serious unrequitedness by leaving that first night and letting Hawke run to someone else, like... Anders.

THREE YEARS.

That's all I'm saying about that, lol.

[Reflection Muse]

Sialater wrote...

Reflection Muse wrote...

Sialater wrote...I don't see why not, he loves her either way.

That's a very good point! 

Poor Fen.  He sets himself for some serious unrequitedness by leaving that first night and letting Hawke run to someone else, like... Anders.

I know, right? I know I'm the minority in this thread, but I really like Fenris as a character and connected with him on a pretty personal level (his loyalty, protective nature, and willingness to consider change), but in a completely different way than with Anders. The softie in me always felt a little bad for giving up on him after that night, but hey that's the beauty of multiple playthroughs. I love 'em both; BioWare's writers know exactly what buttons to press to make me get all emotional.

[Sialater]

Reflection Muse wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Reflection Muse wrote...

Sialater wrote...I don't see why not, he loves her either way.

That's a very good point! 

Poor Fen.  He sets himself for some serious unrequitedness by leaving that first night and letting Hawke run to someone else, like... Anders.

I know, right? I know I'm the minority in this thread, but I really like Fenris as a character and connected with him on a pretty personal level (his loyalty, protective nature, and willingness to consider change), but in a completely different way than with Anders. The softie in me always felt a little bad for giving up on him after that night, but hey that's the beauty of multiple playthroughs. I love 'em both; BioWare's writers know exactly what buttons to press to make me get all emotional.

I love them both, too.  But unlike Alistair and Zevran, I can't see them sharing Hawke.   I just find the apostate harder to resist than the grumpy elf.

[AstraDrakkar]

Reflection Muse wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Reflection Muse wrote...

Sialater wrote...I don't see why not, he loves her either way.

That's a very good point! 

Poor Fen.  He sets himself for some serious unrequitedness by leaving that first night and letting Hawke run to someone else, like... Anders.

I know, right? I know I'm the minority in this thread, but I really like Fenris as a character and connected with him on a pretty personal level (his loyalty, protective nature, and willingness to consider change), but in a completely different way than with Anders. The softie in me always felt a little bad for giving up on him after that night, but hey that's the beauty of multiple playthroughs. I love 'em both; BioWare's writers know exactly what buttons to press to make me get all emotional.

You aren't the only one here who likes Fenris. I have a really hard time deciding one which one to romance on a playthrough, cause I like both Fenris and Anders equally. They both have interesting qualities as characters.  Oh how i wish they could learn to share Hawke

Modifié par AstraDrakkar, 10 juin 2011 - 03:23 .

[Reflection Muse]

Sialater wrote...
I love them both, too.  But unlike Alistair and Zevran, I can't see them sharing Hawke.   I just find the apostate harder to resist than the grumpy elf.

Yeah, agreed. Neither seems the type to share a lover, and I could see Anders being far more broken up over sharing than Alistair ever was. Awww, just the thought of it makes me sad. *hugsqueeze Anders*

[Sialater]

Reflection Muse wrote...


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[highcastle]

Reflection Muse wrote...
I know, right? I know I'm the minority in this thread, but I really like Fenris as a character and connected with him on a pretty personal level (his loyalty, protective nature, and willingness to consider change), but in a completely different way than with Anders. The softie in me always felt a little bad for giving up on him after that night, but hey that's the beauty of multiple playthroughs. I love 'em both; BioWare's writers know exactly what buttons to press to make me get all emotional.

I don't dislike Fenris at all. I actually quite like him and have started his romance arc a couple times (though never fully completed it). He has a tragic back story and as many flaws and virtues as Anders. I'm even sympathetic to his walking away because I'm not the greatest with commitment myself. In another game without Anders in it, I'd have been all over Fenris. But what I like about Anders' arc is that downward spiral.

Very often in romances, the story ends when things are good. That part hits the Anders arc in Act 2. He loves Hawke, never thought this would happen to him, they get together, etc. And then the game keeps going, and we get to see a side of romance not often explored: what happens when two people who genuinely love each other just can't or won't communicate? Is love alone enough to sustain a relationship?

Maybe I'm a sucker for emotional drama (alright, I know I'm a sucker for this stuff), but I really like the darker implications of the romance arc. And I love that depending on how you play it, there's still a tiny ray of hope at the end. Like maybe, despite going through so much crap, there's a chance it can still work. They'll have to go through hell and back to do so, but I get the sense that Anders and Hawke (on the friendmance path at least) both care enough to try. Whether they'll succeed or not is another story, but it should be a pretty emotional and intense journey regardless.

With Fenris, we get the happy ever after sense in the Gallows when he kisses Hawke and pledges support, etc. We get the hardship stuff in the middle of the game, but it happens so soon after the initiation of the romance that it doesn't have the same weight (for me, at least). Anders starts pulling away after being in a relationship for three years; Fenris after about three hours. The emotions at play aren't as deep. And then of course, the getting back together thing in Act 3 kills any tension and questioning about the future of their relationship. It seems pretty solid. Which is great for them, but not so great for a drama.

In short, I still like Fenris, but my Hawke's heart will always belong to Anders.

[Reflection Muse]

highcastle wrote...
I don't dislike Fenris at all. I actually quite like him and have started his romance arc a couple times (though never fully completed it). He has a tragic back story and as many flaws and virtues as Anders. I'm even sympathetic to his walking away because I'm not the greatest with commitment myself. In another game without Anders in it, I'd have been all over Fenris. But what I like about Anders' arc is that downward spiral.

Very often in romances, the story ends when things are good. That part hits the Anders arc in Act 2. He loves Hawke, never thought this would happen to him, they get together, etc. And then the game keeps going, and we get to see a side of romance not often explored: what happens when two people who genuinely love each other just can't or won't communicate? Is love alone enough to sustain a relationship?

Maybe I'm a sucker for emotional drama (alright, I know I'm a sucker for this stuff), but I really like the darker implications of the romance arc. And I love that depending on how you play it, there's still a tiny ray of hope at the end. Like maybe, despite going through so much crap, there's a chance it can still work. They'll have to go through hell and back to do so, but I get the sense that Anders and Hawke (on the friendmance path at least) both care enough to try. Whether they'll succeed or not is another story, but it should be a pretty emotional and intense journey regardless.

With Fenris, we get the happy ever after sense in the Gallows when he kisses Hawke and pledges support, etc. We get the hardship stuff in the middle of the game, but it happens so soon after the initiation of the romance that it doesn't have the same weight (for me, at least). Anders starts pulling away after being in a relationship for three years; Fenris after about three hours. The emotions at play aren't as deep. And then of course, the getting back together thing in Act 3 kills any tension and questioning about the future of their relationship. It seems pretty solid. Which is great for them, but not so great for a drama.

In short, I still like Fenris, but my Hawke's heart will always belong to Anders.

Very well said; thank you for such a perfect comparison and explanation of the two. I really couldn't have said it better myself!

[Sarielle]

So, I just gave Sister Plinth's remains back to Archivist Plinth (presumably a relative). He says something along the lines of "Never thought I'd see that again!" which begs the question of why he saw her remains in the first place, and left them lying in Darktown. And why he's so cheerful to have them back.

Looooooool.

/offtopic

And yeah, I really enjoy both of the characters (edit: Fenris and Anders, that is). I really like all the companions, actually. This thread...just really is more fun than some of the others. You don't have to be a rabid fan to hang out here.

Modifié par Sarielle, 10 juin 2011 - 03:57 .

[Heidenreich]

SurelyForth wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Anyway...It is amusing as hell to me that Anders and Fenris together make up such a badass team and they cannot stand each other. At all.

It's fun to write, though. I swear I could devote entire chapters to them being legitimately horrible to each other. The sad thing is, my canon Hawke is a 2H and doesn't really need Fenris, but she brings him along anyway (until mid-Act 2) for the sneering and facerolling alone.

I did this in my warrior playthrough. Suprisingly enough double warriors chopping things to bits was fairly effective for most things ;p


I actually pretty consistantly bring Anders/Fenris/Varric everywhere with me, with the exception of some personal quests and a chunk of act2 for 'bela friendship points ;p

The one person I almost never drag around is Merrill, and not even because I don't like her or she's not useful. I just.. like my team sexysnark ;p

Reflection Muse wrote...

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I know, right? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie]
I know I'm the minority in this thread, but I really like Fenris as a
character and connected with him on a pretty personal level (his
loyalty, protective nature, and willingness to consider change), but in a
completely different way than with Anders. The softie in me always felt
a little bad for giving up on him after that night, but hey that's the
beauty of multiple playthroughs. I love 'em both; BioWare's writers know
exactly what buttons to press to make me get all emotional.

There are more then a few Anders fans who are also Fenris fans. In fact my canon Hawke is currently living her days out on a beach with Fenris, thanks to letting 'Bela have her boat. Which totally went past her better judgement, but its bela and she just couldn't say no. She totally went back later, with Fenris, cut Castion up into little peices, and had themselves a merry bonfire ;p

Modifié par Heidenreich, 10 juin 2011 - 04:09 .

[Mekarah]

Sarielle wrote...

So, I just gave Sister Plinth's remains back to Archivist Plinth (presumably a relative). He says something along the lines of "Never thought I'd see that again!" which begs the question of why he saw her remains in the first place, and left them lying in Darktown. And why he's so cheerful to have them back.

I always thought that was so funny. I expected some sad response, and it's like you just returned him his wallet.

As for Fenris/Anders, I'll admit I've never completed a romance with Fenris. But! it's not for lack of trying! This playthrough, I hit it and quit it with Isabela, and then was going to go Fenris > Anders, but I could not for the life of me get Fenris rivaled enough for him to want to stay. I kept thinking I was doing well, then I'd get a random +15 friendship and it'd ruin everything.

I admit I probably could have metagamed a bit more for it  but...eh. Whatever.

ETA: Err I think my point is that I do like them both, for different reasons. I think they both have intriguing stories and have their points where I genuinely care. I also think they can both be total douchebags at times. Equal opportunity for all.

Modifié par Mekarah, 10 juin 2011 - 04:19 .

[Reflection Muse]

Heidenreich wrote...
There are more then a few Anders fans who are also Fenris fans. In fact my canon Hawke is currently living her days out on a beach with Fenris, thanks to letting 'Bela have her boat. Which totally went past her better judgement, but its bela and she just couldn't say no. She totally went back later, with Fenris, cut Castion up into little peices, and had themselves a merry bonfire ;p

That's good to know! I was afraid I may draw the ire of some by admitting fondness for both (silly, I know). Your described scenario sounds awesome (and totally made me laugh). I'll have to check out your stories this weekend! (Which reminds me, there are so many stories written by the talented folks in this thread that I have favorited and need to put aside the time to fully enjoy.)

[Jon Jern_]

Everytime I try to participate in a discussion in this thread I leave the thread confused and dumbfounded.

[highcastle]

Jon Jern wrote...

Everytime I try to participate in a discussion in this thread I leave the thread confused and dumbfounded.

Was it DeeSnider!Anders that did it? Dee Snider always leaves me confused, too.

What's been seen cannot be unseen...

[kromify]

Jon Jern wrote...

Everytime I try to participate in a discussion in this thread I leave the thread confused and dumbfounded.

i leave the thread and go hide in a corner somewhere... alone  

[ipgd]

Fenris just bores me. Don't like him, don't hate him. But I do have an extremely high ****ed Up quota that must be reached for any character to hold my interest, also room for gross overanalysis. Fenris is just too reasonable and understandable.

They will have trouble topping Anders in that department. Pedophile serial rapist LI for DA3, please.

Jon Jern wrote...

Everytime I try to participate in a discussion in this thread I leave the thread confused and dumbfounded.

Just make some offhand reference to Anders and terrorism or rivalry and you'll have plenty of **** to wallow in.

[Sarielle]

ipgd wrote...

Fenris just bores me. Don't like him, don't hate him. But I do have an extremely high ****ed Up quota that must be reached for any character to hold my interest, also room for gross overanalysis. Fenris is just too reasonable and understandable.

They will have trouble topping Anders in that department. Pedophile serial rapist LI for DA3, please.

Yeah, Anders has more nuances to speculate over. That's another reason I don't follow most of the other fan threads.