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[Rinji the Bearded]

yukidama wrote...

I think Ser Pounce was too embarrassed to return since he really let himself go:

"I herd mai pet hewmin startd war.  I ated too meni mais and I cant help.  :("

[Rinji the Bearded]

leggywillow wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...
It wasn't too hard to figure out he'd be doing something like this eventually.  I think in Act 1when you tell him "I don't want you to lose yourself to the Templars or Justice," and he replies "When you strip those away, how much is left" or something like that.   His delirium at the end at the end of the Justice quest was the result of him feeling what a spirit feels when it completes its purpose -- Justice achieving what he perceived to be "Justice" validates his existence and he is joyful.  And because Anders and Justice's thoughts are the same, Anders, in turn, feels this jubiliation.

I think the manipulation of Hawke was an attempt of Justice to sever whatever bonds they had.  Thus, Anders was pretty certain that Hawke would kill him because of it.

You know, I hadn't thought of it that way.  Perhaps he was trying one last time to push Hawke away?

Also, do we get the scene where Anders talks about how jubilant the spirit is after the Justice quest during friendship?  I can only remember seeing it after rivalry for some reason.

Maybe it was only rivalry, but I think that was him showing some kind of validation because he had gotten you to help him, or he was about to prove something to you.  He wasn't thinking too clearly at the time, obviously.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 22 mars 2011 - 06:04 .

[Sarah1281]

She goes boom. Also, I discovered the other day a named NPC Templar (the one at the base of the steps in the Gallows, near Cullen) says that the Rite's been sent for by Meredith and that "those robes will get what's coming to them" in his ambient dialogue. I was about to turn in the quest to Orsino for "Best Served Cold." (It may be a bug, but I doubt it; I seem to be finding all of them in this run.)

That's the same templar that you kill in Grace's quest.

[Rinji the Bearded]

panamakira wrote...

It's obvious Justice wants to severe that relationship with Hawke so that Anders can focus on the task at hand.
I would not call it however a revolucion yet. It all felt pretty messy and it became more of the actions of a possessed desperate mage, than the actions of a man or group of people wanting to fight for a cause, for freedom. I think Justice's ego and corruption did not let him see that it would have an even better/greater impact if he had rallied together mages and kind of get everyone to jump on "let's free mages" wagon. He did it all on his own and everyone didn't even know what the heck was happening. It feels like Justice or Anders, I don't know which, wanted to embody the cause. But that cause is not Anders' alone. This cause is of ALL mages. I don't know if that should have been his decision to make.

Mages were probably left wondering what the hell they're being accused of or why they're being hunted for the actions of one mage. I think that was the problem.

Justice "made" Anders the cause but I don't think Anders should be the cause.

Anyway I would've helped him if he had organized it better or let me rally people together to fight for their freedom. I don't mind being part of a revolucion. It hits home for me since my family comes from places where you had to fight to survive for a cause. It just seemed so unorganized and I'm having a hard time thinking mages will get a chance to be free.

Anders said before that Justice has no concept of time -- meaning that he also has no patience.  Seven years of stewing in that hellmouth Kirkwall with nothing happening probably drove Justice over the edge.  Hawke was a distraction, and needed to be severed away if Anders was going to focus.

[bushes289]

I just have a quick question, when you play as a mage and first meet Anders, is it possible to tell him you're a mage? Because The option never comes up and after doing the Karl quest he suddenly knows Hawke's a mage when it was never revealed, I mean I'm sure he saw her casting spells against the templars but I'd have thought he'd be all "oh you're a mage too" or something, instead he acts like he already knows and I'm just like "how do you already know!"

So is it ever mentioned, is my game glitched? Or is there some quest I have to do first?

[GailRana]

RinjiRenee wrote...

panamakira wrote...

It's obvious Justice wants to severe that relationship with Hawke so that Anders can focus on the task at hand.
I would not call it however a revolucion yet. It all felt pretty messy and it became more of the actions of a possessed desperate mage, than the actions of a man or group of people wanting to fight for a cause, for freedom. I think Justice's ego and corruption did not let him see that it would have an even better/greater impact if he had rallied together mages and kind of get everyone to jump on "let's free mages" wagon. He did it all on his own and everyone didn't even know what the heck was happening. It feels like Justice or Anders, I don't know which, wanted to embody the cause. But that cause is not Anders' alone. This cause is of ALL mages. I don't know if that should have been his decision to make.

Mages were probably left wondering what the hell they're being accused of or why they're being hunted for the actions of one mage. I think that was the problem.

Justice "made" Anders the cause but I don't think Anders should be the cause.

Anyway I would've helped him if he had organized it better or let me rally people together to fight for their freedom. I don't mind being part of a revolucion. It hits home for me since my family comes from places where you had to fight to survive for a cause. It just seemed so unorganized and I'm having a hard time thinking mages will get a chance to be free.

Anders said before that Justice has no concept of time -- meaning that he also has no patience.  Seven years of stewing in that hellmouth Kirkwall with nothing happening probably drove Justice over the edge.  Hawke was a distraction, and needed to be severed away if Anders was going to focus.

hu, that's a very interesting point

[panamakira]

@GailRana
Yeah the Grand Cleric should've started with helping replace the Viscount and Meredith. I think something could worked out from there. It was hard to rationalize with Meredith and her big ass lyrium sword.

RinjiRenee wrote...

Anders said before that Justice has no
concept of time -- meaning that he also has no patience.  Seven years
of stewing in that hellmouth Kirkwall with nothing happening probably
drove Justice over the edge.  Hawke was a distraction, and needed to be
severed away if Anders was going to focus.

Yeah well then there was that. Justice is a spirit/demon and doesn't have any other sense of purpose but to fulfill his "justice". I can't imagine how Anders felt having that constant nagging in your head. No wonder that's all he ever talks about in the game. The only times he didn't was when he was with Hawke and Justice no likey!

Modifié par panamakira, 22 mars 2011 - 06:13 .

[Nodscouter]

Anyone else think that this would be a great song for a sad Anders-Hawke romance music video? I mean,
''There's something I must do, even if I know it means, losing you'', fits so damn perfectly!

Modifié par Nodscouter, 22 mars 2011 - 06:13 .

[snarkycleric]

 This turned up in the thread chatroom, courtesy of van_squirgle: 


Appropriate, no? 

[GailRana]

panamakira wrote...

@GailRana
Yeah the Grand Cleric should've started with helping replace the Viscount and Meredith. I think something could worked out from there. It was hard to rationalize with Meredith and her big ass lyrium sword.

can she give the circle a new house while she's at it? Locked up in the gallows is no place for a mage.

[GailRana]

snarkycleric wrote...

 This turned up in the thread chatroom, courtesy of van_squirgle: 


Appropriate, no? 

hehe, love it!

[GailRana]

Nodscouter wrote...

Anyone else think that this would be a great song for a sad Anders-Hawke romance music video?

I'm still stuck on Skylar Grey's song, but i'm loving all these Anders-Hawke playlists

[Rinji the Bearded]

GailRana wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

panamakira wrote...

It's obvious Justice wants to severe that relationship with Hawke so that Anders can focus on the task at hand.
I would not call it however a revolucion yet. It all felt pretty messy and it became more of the actions of a possessed desperate mage, than the actions of a man or group of people wanting to fight for a cause, for freedom. I think Justice's ego and corruption did not let him see that it would have an even better/greater impact if he had rallied together mages and kind of get everyone to jump on "let's free mages" wagon. He did it all on his own and everyone didn't even know what the heck was happening. It feels like Justice or Anders, I don't know which, wanted to embody the cause. But that cause is not Anders' alone. This cause is of ALL mages. I don't know if that should have been his decision to make.

Mages were probably left wondering what the hell they're being accused of or why they're being hunted for the actions of one mage. I think that was the problem.

Justice "made" Anders the cause but I don't think Anders should be the cause.

Anyway I would've helped him if he had organized it better or let me rally people together to fight for their freedom. I don't mind being part of a revolucion. It hits home for me since my family comes from places where you had to fight to survive for a cause. It just seemed so unorganized and I'm having a hard time thinking mages will get a chance to be free.

Anders said before that Justice has no concept of time -- meaning that he also has no patience.  Seven years of stewing in that hellmouth Kirkwall with nothing happening probably drove Justice over the edge.  Hawke was a distraction, and needed to be severed away if Anders was going to focus.

hu, that's a very interesting point

For those who romanced Anders, you can only guess how much Justice hated sitting idly by in Hawke's mansion -- and we can see the evidence with his manifesto lying everywhere.  He grew more and more paranoid, more restless.  Justice probably detested this.  Anders, also, has banter with I think Sebastian and Fenris about death and dying, and especially with Seb, he talks about Andraste being a martyr and all that.  If he could commit an act of betrayal, start a war, and make himself a martyr when Hawke punishes him... You understand how he might have thought this was an option.

I don't know, maybe this is all too wishful thinking on my part.  But it seems to make sense when you tell him that you might have understood, and then he says that he couldn't have told you -- "What if you had tried to stop me, or worse, what if you wanted to help!"  The blood and blame would always be on his hands (or so Justice thinks, in the grand scheme of things).

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 22 mars 2011 - 06:16 .

[Sialater]

Sarah1281 wrote...

She goes boom. Also, I discovered the other day a named NPC Templar (the one at the base of the steps in the Gallows, near Cullen) says that the Rite's been sent for by Meredith and that "those robes will get what's coming to them" in his ambient dialogue. I was about to turn in the quest to Orsino for "Best Served Cold." (It may be a bug, but I doubt it; I seem to be finding all of them in this run.)

That's the same templar that you kill in Grace's quest.

Remind me who that is again?

[panamakira]

GailRana wrote...

panamakira wrote...

@GailRana
Yeah the Grand Cleric should've started with helping replace the Viscount and Meredith. I think something could worked out from there. It was hard to rationalize with Meredith and her big ass lyrium sword.

can she give the circle a new house while she's at it? Locked up in the gallows is no place for a mage.

lol I really doubt she has any option now. Plus to a mage being locked up in a pretty jail makes no difference no? Also  everybody is running away from templars anyway.

[Aeowyn]

bushes289 wrote...

I just have a quick question, when you play as a mage and first meet Anders, is it possible to tell him you're a mage? Because The option never comes up and after doing the Karl quest he suddenly knows Hawke's a mage when it was never revealed, I mean I'm sure he saw her casting spells against the templars but I'd have thought he'd be all "oh you're a mage too" or something, instead he acts like he already knows and I'm just like "how do you already know!"

So is it ever mentioned, is my game glitched? Or is there some quest I have to do first?

If you decide to take the "The Circle is needed option" after you ask if he wants to make Karl an apostate he says "How can you say that? You are a mage, I can feel the power in you" or something like that. So I think he already knows Hawke is a mage and it's not something that needs to be stated loudly.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Aeowyn wrote...

bushes289 wrote...

I just have a quick question, when you play as a mage and first meet Anders, is it possible to tell him you're a mage? Because The option never comes up and after doing the Karl quest he suddenly knows Hawke's a mage when it was never revealed, I mean I'm sure he saw her casting spells against the templars but I'd have thought he'd be all "oh you're a mage too" or something, instead he acts like he already knows and I'm just like "how do you already know!"

So is it ever mentioned, is my game glitched? Or is there some quest I have to do first?

If you decide to take the "The Circle is needed option" after you ask if he wants to make Karl an apostate he says "How can you say that? You are a mage, I can feel the power in you" or something like that. So I think he already knows Hawke is a mage and it's not something that needs to be stated loudly.

Mmm, he can feel the power in me.

*derails thread*

[leggywillow]

Aeowyn wrote...

bushes289 wrote...

I just have a quick question, when you play as a mage and first meet Anders, is it possible to tell him you're a mage? Because The option never comes up and after doing the Karl quest he suddenly knows Hawke's a mage when it was never revealed, I mean I'm sure he saw her casting spells against the templars but I'd have thought he'd be all "oh you're a mage too" or something, instead he acts like he already knows and I'm just like "how do you already know!"

If you decide to take the "The Circle is needed option" after you ask if he wants to make Karl an apostate he says "How can you say that? You are a mage, I can feel the power in you" or something like that. So I think he already knows Hawke is a mage and it's not something that needs to be stated loudly.

Not that mage Hawke doesn't state it as loudly as possible anyway.  XD

"Oh?  What gave me away, Anders?  The brightly-colored dress, the silly hat, the gigantic stick on my back, or the fireballs I was tossing around earlier?"

ETA:

RinjiRenee wrote...
Mmm, he can feel the power in me.

*derails thread*

Heh heh.  This too.

Modifié par leggywillow, 22 mars 2011 - 06:21 .

[Sialater]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

bushes289 wrote...

I just have a quick question, when you play as a mage and first meet Anders, is it possible to tell him you're a mage? Because The option never comes up and after doing the Karl quest he suddenly knows Hawke's a mage when it was never revealed, I mean I'm sure he saw her casting spells against the templars but I'd have thought he'd be all "oh you're a mage too" or something, instead he acts like he already knows and I'm just like "how do you already know!"

So is it ever mentioned, is my game glitched? Or is there some quest I have to do first?

If you decide to take the "The Circle is needed option" after you ask if he wants to make Karl an apostate he says "How can you say that? You are a mage, I can feel the power in you" or something like that. So I think he already knows Hawke is a mage and it's not something that needs to be stated loudly.

Mmm, he can feel the power in me.

*derails thread*

Oh, looky there... we haven't been to the gutter in at least 10 posts.

[Rinji the Bearded]

leggywillow wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

bushes289 wrote...

I just have a quick question, when you play as a mage and first meet Anders, is it possible to tell him you're a mage? Because The option never comes up and after doing the Karl quest he suddenly knows Hawke's a mage when it was never revealed, I mean I'm sure he saw her casting spells against the templars but I'd have thought he'd be all "oh you're a mage too" or something, instead he acts like he already knows and I'm just like "how do you already know!"

If you decide to take the "The Circle is needed option" after you ask if he wants to make Karl an apostate he says "How can you say that? You are a mage, I can feel the power in you" or something like that. So I think he already knows Hawke is a mage and it's not something that needs to be stated loudly.

Not that mage Hawke doesn't state it as loudly as possible anyway.  XD

"Oh?  What gave me away, Anders?  The brightly-colored dress, the silly hat, the gigantic stick on my back, or the fireballs I was tossing around earlier?"

"The giant 'I'm a mage sign' around my neck!"

Oh Anders, damn you.  Stop making me remembering you from Awakening.

[bushes289]

Aeowyn wrote...

bushes289 wrote...

I just have a quick question, when you play as a mage and first meet Anders, is it possible to tell him you're a mage? Because The option never comes up and after doing the Karl quest he suddenly knows Hawke's a mage when it was never revealed, I mean I'm sure he saw her casting spells against the templars but I'd have thought he'd be all "oh you're a mage too" or something, instead he acts like he already knows and I'm just like "how do you already know!"

So is it ever mentioned, is my game glitched? Or is there some quest I have to do first?

If you decide to take the "The Circle is needed option" after you ask if he wants to make Karl an apostate he says "How can you say that? You are a mage, I can feel the power in you" or something like that. So I think he already knows Hawke is a mage and it's not something that needs to be stated loudly.

Oh, thank you. It's just I could've sworn that you could have Bethany show him that she's a mage (I could be wrong, the memory is fuzzy) so I was wondering where that option was if you played as mage Hawke.

[nenosronhir]

I return bearing moar Anders screencaps - this time, action shots!











And this one, all fire and destruction *3*


Also, sometimes this goes without saying (I can never tell with the internet) - but if you guys want to use any screencaps I put up to make icons/banners/graphics feel free =o

[YamiSnuffles]

So, it was mentioned a little bit ago, how Anders gets all excited after he plants the bomb. I remember seeing this in a rival video, but I honestly can't remember it in my playthrough where he was a friend. I don't have a save handy, so I can't check myself. However, all I remember is Anders seeming really sad anytime I talked to him after that quest. Has anyone played more recently with a friendship path Anders who might know? Now I'm just curious.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

League of Fuzzy Shoulderpads



And if you don't know about this artist you should.

May be NWS:
http://m1911.blog126.fc2.com/

http://gobeur.deviantart.com/gallery/

Look like anime stills to animes that will sadly, never exist.

[GailRana]

RinjiRenee wrote...

GailRana wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

panamakira wrote...

It's obvious Justice wants to severe that relationship with Hawke so that Anders can focus on the task at hand.
I would not call it however a revolucion yet. It all felt pretty messy and it became more of the actions of a possessed desperate mage, than the actions of a man or group of people wanting to fight for a cause, for freedom. I think Justice's ego and corruption did not let him see that it would have an even better/greater impact if he had rallied together mages and kind of get everyone to jump on "let's free mages" wagon. He did it all on his own and everyone didn't even know what the heck was happening. It feels like Justice or Anders, I don't know which, wanted to embody the cause. But that cause is not Anders' alone. This cause is of ALL mages. I don't know if that should have been his decision to make.

Mages were probably left wondering what the hell they're being accused of or why they're being hunted for the actions of one mage. I think that was the problem.

Justice "made" Anders the cause but I don't think Anders should be the cause.

Anyway I would've helped him if he had organized it better or let me rally people together to fight for their freedom. I don't mind being part of a revolucion. It hits home for me since my family comes from places where you had to fight to survive for a cause. It just seemed so unorganized and I'm having a hard time thinking mages will get a chance to be free.

Anders said before that Justice has no concept of time -- meaning that he also has no patience.  Seven years of stewing in that hellmouth Kirkwall with nothing happening probably drove Justice over the edge.  Hawke was a distraction, and needed to be severed away if Anders was going to focus.

hu, that's a very interesting point

For those who romanced Anders, you can only guess how much Justice hated sitting idly by in Hawke's mansion -- and we can see the evidence with his manifesto lying everywhere.  He grew more and more paranoid, more restless.  Justice probably detested this.  Anders, also, has banter with I think Sebastian and Fenris about death and dying, and especially with Seb, he talks about Andraste being a martyr and all that.  If he could commit an act of betrayal, start a war, and make himself a martyr when Hawke punishes him... You understand how he might have thought this was an option.

I don't know, maybe this is all too wishful thinking on my part.  But it seems to make sense when you tell him that you might have understood, and then he says that he couldn't have told you -- "What if you had tried to stop me, or worse, what if you wanted to help!"  The blood and blame would always be on his hands (or so Justice thinks, in the grand scheme of things).

I love that line. him trying to keep the the blood and blame on his hands only was pure anders trying to protect Hawke from the actions of vengance.