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[Rattsu]

SurelyForth wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
I still hate Anders, but you helped restore a bit of faith in the fandom. 

See, when you say it like that all I can think is...challenge accepted!

*warms up manifesto writing fingers* 

I do know what you mean,  alas, my converting days are over, to each their own I say. As long as I get to hold my views I will let them have theirs. No need for any insanity anywhere.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

I had a thought recently that perhaps I will make a poll for someday... I want to figure out if what Origin you played in Origins has any relation to what you think of Anders/whether you marderknife him.

It seems that people who were Tower/CityElf/Dalish players may have more inherent sympathy for blowing up the Chantry and destabilizing the institutional government, but that could just be an illusion.

[SurelyForth]

Rattsu wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
I still hate Anders, but you helped restore a bit of faith in the fandom. 

See, when you say it like that all I can think is...challenge accepted!

*warms up manifesto writing fingers* 

I do know what you mean,  alas, my converting days are over, to each their own I say. As long as I get to hold my views I will let them have theirs. No need for any insanity anywhere.

I owe Addai for giving me Loghain-related warm fuzzies when my heart was hard against him. One of these days I will get her to shrug and say "Eh. I guess in that instance Anders is almost tolerable", if it's the last thing I do!

Modifié par SurelyForth, 13 juin 2011 - 12:17 .

[Hill-Hurwitz]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

It seems that people who were Tower/CityElf/Dalish players may have more inherent sympathy for blowing up the Chantry and destabilizing the institutional government, but that could just be an illusion.

Brosca would also like to have a word about systematic oppression and serparation.

*puts her tally firmly in the non-noble origins*

I liked Aeducan and Cousland well enough, I suppose, and I can see the appeal of, you know, fall from privilage. But to never have much power in the first place, then suddenly thrust into that position? Yes please.

Modifié par Hill-Hurwitz, 13 juin 2011 - 12:19 .

[legbamel]

LT123 wrote...
I just ran mage Hawke/Merrill/Anders/Varric through All That Remains (). It was pretty awesome. I think they made the fire spells more powerful in the patch, because my Hawke is destroying everything in sight.

Anders is still my favorite for the scene back at the estate after that quest, although Fenris being awkward was pretty good. Haven't done Isabela's romance yet. Got Merrill this time, and hers was alright-Hawke gets an appropriate irritated "I don't speak elven, Merrill" line.

And I love that Hawke can yell at Aveline too, except then you don't get her story about her father. Ah well.

Aveline's story about her father was the first thing Bioware did that actually made me cry since my first run (unspoiled) through DAO when Alistair gave that "I still love you even though we can't be together and as king I must kill myself for my people" speech before he ninja'd my Ultimate Sacrifice.  And those were mostly tears of frustration. 

Anders was sweet after All That Remains (am I the only one that finds that title morbidly hysterical?) but I'd expect him to be.  Fenris tries so darned hard but he's emotionally an idiot.  Just knowing that he was willing to make the effort was enough for my Hawke to go, "D'awwwww."

[CulturalGeekGirl]

It's sad that I feel more comfortable gushing about Fenris in the Anders thread than the Fenris thread, but it is true. All the things I like about him... his complete emotional idiocy, his drunken vagrancy, his gosh-darned barefootedness... are things that the Fengirls themselves seem to oppose.

I do hope we get to see more inside Tevinter in DA3. One of my biggest pet peeves with Anders is that he is completely unwilling to admit to Fenris that the Tevinter Imperium is probably completely terrible, yes. Though, seeing that Wynne and Shale went there after DA:O, I picture there being this sort of... underground of legitimate magical scholars, who are trying to preserve all of the less brute-force, non-blood-magic-related knowledge that Tevinter has access to... nevermind that they have the ancient home of the immortal elves sunken beneath their cities!

The thing I liked about both the Duster and Dalish origins is the whole "stranger in a strange land" idea we get in Origins. I'd like to see more culture shock! The culture shock is my favorite bit!

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 13 juin 2011 - 12:30 .

[SurelyForth]

Hmmm...Cousland is my canon canon, but if I look at my five main Wardens...

Both my Amells would probably kill the hell out of Anders for what he did. One never approved of him (read, she loathed him in the Tower) and she's absolutely by the books. The other is hopelessly in love with Leliana and considers herself a devout Andrastian, so she'd also knife him but fight for the mages.

My Brosca is also smitten with Leliana, but she's not too fond of oppression and would be impressed by the light show and let him off with a "but at least tell my Seeker girlfriend that I tore you a new one, got it?"

Ron Mahariel is pragmatic, but pretty fond of Anders and mages in general. He's also the compassionate sort who would struggle with the number of innocent lives lost and probably decide that his friend would be better off dead.

Cousland, who has no use for the Chantry, would smirk, say something about how she probably killed more people in the Arl of Denerim's estate that one time she went looking for Howe, and then ask Hawke if she could borrow Isabela and maybe Fenris for a few minutes...but only after she finds out Anders is taken.

[legbamel]

I wonder if the dwarves might get behind the mage rebellion if it gives them a chance to expand their lyrium trade...or perhaps they'd side with the Templars as their best consumers.

CGG, those are my favorite things about Fenris, as well, particularly as a barefoot girl IRL.  He doesn't NEED shoes and if he wants to hang out and get wasted with Hawke and tell me bizarre stories about where he's been while running from Denarius, that's perfectly okay with me!  And I think he would be a perfectly dreadful father, no matter how many squees I see about pregger-Hawke.  He has anger management issues and a baby is NOT magically going to fix them with lurv.  

Modifié par legbamel, 13 juin 2011 - 12:40 .

[Arquen]

God knows about the dwarves. I'm sure they already have great customers in Tevinter. I think Tevinter if anything would be the driving force of the mage rebellion. It is Rome after all they would love a chance to reclaim some of their power/dominion.

Like Anders says though the circle in Ferelden makes Tevinter sound like the void itself. Yet he doesn't really make an opinion about Tevinter being a horrible place for mages. *shrug* it's really unclear if he actually agrees Tevinter is a good solution or a bad one.

PS: I just have to add that I love Fenris' emotional idiocy, and his barefootedness (even though I don't understand it).

Modifié par Arquen, 13 juin 2011 - 12:43 .

[legbamel]

I don't know if the mages would accept help from Tevinter, though. I mean, if they're going for "mages are people, too" and "we promise not to become possessed and kill you" then being backed by a bunch of power-mad, slave-owning blood mages isn't really going to reinforce their basic message, is it? I would certainly prefer to distance myself from them if I were a mage.

Modifié par legbamel, 13 juin 2011 - 12:47 .

[Patchwork]

legbamel wrote...

I wonder if the dwarves might get behind the mage rebellion if it gives them a chance to expand their lyrium trade...or perhaps they'd side with the Templars as their best consumers.

If Bhlen is king I can definitely see him supporting the rebel templars. Exclusive trade with the Chantry limits his profits. Harrowmont would...actually by this point Harrowmont would be dead wouldn't he.

[Sarielle]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

It's sad that I feel more comfortable gushing about Fenris in the Anders thread than the Fenris thread, but it is true. All the things I like about him... his complete emotional idiocy, his drunken vagrancy, his gosh-darned  barefootedness... are things that the Fengirls themselves seem to oppose

LOL yes, I remember someone getting a little huffy when I mentioned this. My canon!Hawke enjoyed it immensely. She was all "wtf, I wanted some of that" when he broke the bottle.

legbamel wrote...
Aveline's story about her father was the first thing Bioware did that actually made me cry since my first run (unspoiled) through DAO when Alistair gave that "I still love you even though we can't be together and as king I must kill myself for my people" speech before he ninja'd my Ultimate Sacrifice.  And those were mostly tears of frustration. 

Anders was sweet after All That Remains (am I the only one that finds that title morbidly hysterical?) but I'd expect him to be.  Fenris tries so darned hard but he's emotionally an idiot.  Just knowing that he was willing to make the effort was enough for my Hawke to go, "D'awwwww."

I lol'd over the "All That Remains" title too; you're not the only one with creepy humor.

And you know what made me tear up? It's really dumb, and I'm still not sure why. Merrill's story about the old courser protecting his master, even in his dreams.

Modifié par Sarielle, 13 juin 2011 - 12:56 .

[GailRana]

legbamel wrote...

Aveline's story about her father was the first thing Bioware did that actually made me cry since my first run (unspoiled) through DAO when Alistair gave that "I still love you even though we can't be together and as king I must kill myself for my people" speech before he ninja'd my Ultimate Sacrifice.  And those were mostly tears of frustration. 

Aveline must just have a way of tug at the heart strings. her whole intro scene with Wesley had me all

And grrrr, Alistair and his ninja sacrifice. She was all set to take the fall and then BAM, he kisses her and goes of to stab an archdemon while she's still in mid swoon. Now what's my poor depressed elf warden supposed to do? I mean, besides fail at trying to catch Anders' eye

[GailRana]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I had a thought recently that perhaps I will make a poll for someday... I want to figure out if what Origin you played in Origins has any relation to what you think of Anders/whether you marderknife him.

It seems that people who were Tower/CityElf/Dalish players may have more inherent sympathy for blowing up the Chantry and destabilizing the institutional government, but that could just be an illusion.

That's really interesting, and i bet there's something too it. I mostly played mage/city elves. I eventually played a noble and i bet he would have murder knifed the sexy mage.  he kind of ticked me off sometimes though.

[GailRana]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

It's sad that I feel more comfortable gushing about Fenris in the Anders thread than the Fenris thread, but it is true. All the things I like about him... his complete emotional idiocy, his drunken vagrancy, his gosh-darned barefootedness... are things that the Fengirls themselves seem to oppose.

*snip*

wait... they oppose those things? But those are what i found most interesting/endearing about him. The Drunken Vagrancy part was one of my favorite moments with him 

[IndigoWolfe]

I'm planning on romancing Anders in the interest of getting a broader view of his character and I'm wondering which gives more opportunity for this; Friendship or Rivalry romance?

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Well I'm exaggerating a bit, but sometimes when you imply in the Fenris thread that the boy has problems... they often come to his defense. Whereas here in the Anders thread, we know that everybody's got problems.

I really like the idea that Fenris is a drunk. Not an alcoholic, but a good, old-fashioned, drunk. There's a difference! I've met a few guys in my life who are all brood until you get a few ales in them, and then they're doing Bob Dylan impressions while we play rock band... and that's how I picture Fenris. Thinks too much until he gets a few in him and then becomes delightful.

To get back on topic... at one point I saw a blush-inducing fanart of Anders hooking up with two dudes in a bar with the caption.
"Justice doesn't let me get drunk anymore."

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 13 juin 2011 - 02:22 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I'm planning on romancing Anders in the interest of getting a broader view of his character and I'm wondering which gives more opportunity for this; Friendship or Rivalry romance?

The problem is that they're very different views of the character.

Rivalry paints him as a madman slowly losing control of himself.

Wheras Friendship is about viva la revolition! 

I'd say that if you think he's crazy, go friendship to see the other side of it. If you generally agree with him, do Rivalry to see the darkness there.

[Sarielle]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

To get back on topic... at one point I saw a blush-inducing fanart of Anders hooking up with two dudes in a bar with the caption.
"Justice doesn't let me get drunk anymore."

LOL! This I really want to see. Poor Anders.

[IndigoWolfe]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I'm planning on romancing Anders in the interest of getting a broader view of his character and I'm wondering which gives more opportunity for this; Friendship or Rivalry romance?

The problem is that they're very different views of the character.

Rivalry paints him as a madman slowly losing control of himself.

Wheras Friendship is about viva la revolition! 

I'd say that if you think he's crazy, go friendship to see the other side of it. If you generally agree with him, do Rivalry to see the darkness there.

Well, problem is, I have a very mixed and complicated opinion of Anders which vacilates between exact opinions with almost every playthrough. Although I should probably do Friendship first...

Thanks!

[Sarielle]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Although I should probably do Friendship first...

Thanks!

Not...necessarily. I had him at 100% friend my first playthough (didn't romance, though) and it was fun. So far I AM romancing him on rival this second playthrough (I think...if I resist Fenris friendmance chemistry with this Hawke >_O) and I'm actually enjoying it more, from an outside perspective. Anders doesn't seem terribly happy, though, lol.

[Arquen]

I don't think I can rival Anders again, and with all the rivalmance Anders talk I would be way to sad to do that to him. A part of me wants him to have a chance at retaining his sanity even if it may be an impossibility in the long run.

I can't hate him either way though, friend or rival I just feel bad for the guy, LOL. I never have done a romance all the way through with him. I get about halfway and go "okay.. whoah.. reel in the crazy, can't do it." I just prefer to be his BFF and supporter than his lover.

[Jon Jern_]

I want to try a rivalmance with Anders, what are the major (As in, +15 Rivalry/Friendship situations) events I should look out for? Because so far I've been getting little +5's and I just ragequitted because I got a +10 friendship.

[Sarielle]

Tell him mages should be caged, basically. It helps if you also don't let him forget about his abomination status. Don't ever hint that that's okay. Helps if you pretty much react with "WTF, Anders" after ... Dissent, I think the quest is called? The one about the "mage solution." Also always send mages back to the Circle, even if you have the option for something else.

Oh, and kill him in the Fade, if you want the extra lulz. I didn't go that far.

EDIT: I seem to remember taking a big hit right off by telling him his "extra passenger" was creepy.

EDIT EDIT:  Apparently that ends the romance if you don't convince him it's a ruse, and doing that nets you friend points. So I guess don't kill him in the fade, lol.

EDIT EDIT EDIT (lol): Decent breakdown here: http://answers.yahoo...21212339AAo3xv0

Modifié par Sarielle, 13 juin 2011 - 03:26 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Sarielle wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

To get back on topic... at one point I saw a blush-inducing fanart of Anders hooking up with two dudes in a bar with the caption.
"Justice doesn't let me get drunk anymore."

LOL! This I really want to see. Poor Anders.

Sigh. (link very NSFW)  What have you done to me, Anders fandom? I used to be such a good girl. Seriously, before this last month I never read a fic, never looked at a questionable tumblr.