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[Tealsie]

Thanks to certain comments/pictures/whatnot on here... I will never be able to take some things about Anders seriously ever again. Whoever mentioned/reminded(in another thread) just what went into making that bomb... now I can't watch the chantry blowing up without giggling like an idiot. And hearing Anders say, afterwards while sitting on the crate, "I just... THE WHOLE CHANTRY." And whoever added "Bodies" by drowning pool to that Anders playlist... yeah, now I can't help but imagine Anders sitting in a corner, muttering "nothingwrongwithmenothingwrongwithmenothingwrongwithme".
Goddammit, Anders.
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I wonder if he and the dog ever wound up getting along.  

[Jennifer Brandes Hepler]

You only get the manic dialogue post-"Justice" if you're not yet eligible for the end-stage approval dialogue. So, you need to not be at 100% friend or rival and talk to him after "Justice," to get to see him go crazy-manic.

[Sarah1281]

moonmythology wrote...

I also wonder how much of the Anders we know in DA2 is actually Justice. Because DA2 Anders exhibits a lot of restraint: something that Justice would practice not the Anders of Awakening. Also he mentions that Justice does not let him get drunk anymore. It makes me wonder, despite Anders telling you of Justice's disapproval on the romance with Hawke, does Justice also love Hawke? Showing it in a different way: telling Anders to stay away. This also forces the question: does Hawke love Anders, Justice or the composite?

From what my Hawke saw of the still-split part of Justice, she couldn't stand him. I think she would have still had a thing for Awakenings!Anders and she did love the composite. Awakenings!Jutice, on the other hand, was kind of creepy and had she had some of the Warden's dialogue where she reassures Justice that he's not a demon and it's okay to like the mortal realm then I don't think she'd ever forgive herself for what happens.

[YamiSnuffles]

Jennifer Brandes Hepler wrote...

You only get the manic dialogue post-"Justice" if you're not yet eligible for the end-stage approval dialogue. So, you need to not be at 100% friend or rival and talk to him after "Justice," to get to see him go crazy-manic.

Ah, thank you so much! That explains that, since he was 100% friendship with my Hawke by early Act 2.

Modifié par YamiSnuffles, 22 mars 2011 - 06:53 .

[SurelyForth]

Vaeron wrote...

In mine, I helped Anders gather the elements for his "potion", but then when he started getting vague I asked him if there even was a potion, to which he admitted no and refused to tell me his real plan. So I told him I wouldn't help him because he was losing control, which interestingly didn't earn me any Rivalry points and we were still friends, unlike what happened with Isabella. (Which is good, since the High Dragon would have been impossible without him). That was the final straw, and after all the murders and blood mages and reanimations I had no choice but to help the templars, and execute Anders (with the assent of all of my party members but Merril). What followed at the Circle pretty much verified that as a correct course of action.

I'm curious how the dialogue options after the chantry blew up would have been different if I'd agreed to help him. My Hawke was horrified enough as it was. I just couldn't justify helping the mages, after every single one of them outside my party (or within it) was an abomination, a terrorist, a murderer, or just psychotic in general.

I disagree, to be honest. Orsino aside (and I believe his snapping is justified even though I disagree quite strenuously with what he does), the mages are defending themselves in their home and you kill more innocents attacking the Gallows than you would if you defend the mages. If Meredith was ordering an assault on mages outside of the Circle who are trying to burn the city down, then that would be different and actually feel like order is being restored to Kirkwall.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 22 mars 2011 - 07:02 .

[Vaeron]

Siansonea II wrote...
My Hawke was very much in tune with Anders until he became a TERRORIST. I wish I could reload and have her execute him, but I do NOT want to do that boss fight again. :/

Mine was too, and was very pro-mage until the whole thing with his mother, the staggering number of blood mages in town, and the bombing of the chantry.  And I agree about the boss fight.  I saved right before chosing sides but don't really feel like replaying it all, since it seems the ending is pretty much the same.  Some people say that last fight was easy, but in mine the only people even still standing for the last 3+ minutes of the fight were Bethany and Aveline.  Maybe that I beat it with only 2 characters says something, but I wonder if people who say it was easy had Anders in Panacea mode with them.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Vaeron wrote...

In mine, I helped Anders gather the elements for his "potion", but then when he started getting vague I asked him if there even was a potion, to which he admitted no and refused to tell me his real plan. So I told him I wouldn't help him because he was losing control, which interestingly didn't earn me any Rivalry points and we were still friends, unlike what happened with Isabella. (Which is good, since the High Dragon would have been impossible without him). That was the final straw, and after all the murders and blood mages and reanimations I had no choice but to help the templars, and execute Anders (with the assent of all of my party members but Merril). What followed at the Circle pretty much verified that as a correct course of action.

I'm curious how the dialogue options after the chantry blew up would have been different if I'd agreed to help him. My Hawke was horrified enough as it was. I just couldn't justify helping the mages, after every single one of them outside my party (or within it) was an abomination, a terrorist, a murderer, or just psychotic in general.

I caught on when he said "Yeah, I'll take it and 'BOOM' no more Justice."

I was like, "Yeah right dude. You're totally going to screw me."

Then when I asked him 20 questions he told me I voiced my support of mages but now it was time to prove it with my actions and my Hawke, quite miffed at this point agreed but said she was only doing it because he emotionally blackmailed her into doing so. Seriously, he's a nob.

That's why I wish there was a "Punch Anders" mod because as sweet as she was through the whole game Hawke still has a sense of justice and I believe by the point the Chantry blew up she would have just turned to Anders and clobbered him. For betraying her trust, breaking her heart, and dooming everyone.

[silver-crescent]

RinjiRenee wrote...

For those who romanced Anders, you can only guess how much Justice hated sitting idly by in Hawke's mansion -- and we can see the evidence with his manifesto lying everywhere.  He grew more and more paranoid, more restless.  Justice probably detested this.  Anders, also, has banter with I think Sebastian and Fenris about death and dying, and especially with Seb, he talks about Andraste being a martyr and all that.  If he could commit an act of betrayal, start a war, and make himself a martyr when Hawke punishes him... You understand how he might have thought this was an option.

I don't know, maybe this is all too wishful thinking on my part.  But it seems to make sense when you tell him that you might have understood, and then he says that he couldn't have told you -- "What if you had tried to stop me, or worse, what if you wanted to help!"  The blood and blame would always be on his hands (or so Justice thinks, in the grand scheme of things).

Actually the manifestos are all over the house as soon as act 2 starts, it doesn't have anything to do with the romance.

[Vaeron]

SurelyForth wrote..

I disagree, to be honest. Orsino aside (and I believe his snapping is justified even though I disagree quite strenuously with what he does). The mages are defending themselves in their home and you kill more innocents attacking the Gallows than you would if you defend the mages. If Meredith was ordering an assault on mages outside of the Circle who are trying to burn the city down, then that would be different and actually feel like order is being restored to Kirkwall.

See, in mine Orsino had been dealing with evil mages all along.  Even knew of and encouraged the research of the mage who was dismembering and reassembling women throughout town, including Hawke's mother.  Several mages didn't resort to blood magic, including Bethany, and I saved them all (to Meredith's annoyance but Cullen's agreement).

[Sjofn]

RinjiRenee wrote...
For those who romanced Anders, you can only guess how much Justice hated sitting idly by in Hawke's mansion -- and we can see the evidence with his manifesto lying everywhere.  He grew more and more paranoid, more restless.  Justice probably detested this.  Anders, also, has banter with I think Sebastian and Fenris about death and dying, and especially with Seb, he talks about Andraste being a martyr and all that.  If he could commit an act of betrayal, start a war, and make himself a martyr when Hawke punishes him... You understand how he might have thought this was an option.

I got the Fenris/Anders banter where he asks Fenris if he ever wanted to kill himself, and I was all  about it, especially since it was only the beginning of Act 2, and it sure sounds like Anders is ALREADY suicidal. He clearly needs an injection of Vitamin H ... except this MANHAWKE was supposed to be macking on Fenris. Bah!

[panamakira]

Jennifer Brandes Hepler wrote...

You only get the manic dialogue post-"Justice" if you're not yet eligible for the end-stage approval dialogue. So, you need to not be at 100% friend or rival and talk to him after "Justice," to get to see him go crazy-manic.

That's why I hadn't seen this conversation. I'm always either 100% friendship or rivalry. Now I'm gonna try it. I want to see lunatic Anders rejoice about planting the laser beam in the Chantry.



Not cool Anders, not cool.

Modifié par panamakira, 22 mars 2011 - 07:04 .

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Sjofn wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...
For those who romanced Anders, you can only guess how much Justice hated sitting idly by in Hawke's mansion -- and we can see the evidence with his manifesto lying everywhere.  He grew more and more paranoid, more restless.  Justice probably detested this.  Anders, also, has banter with I think Sebastian and Fenris about death and dying, and especially with Seb, he talks about Andraste being a martyr and all that.  If he could commit an act of betrayal, start a war, and make himself a martyr when Hawke punishes him... You understand how he might have thought this was an option.

I got the Fenris/Anders banter where he asks Fenris if he ever wanted to kill himself, and I was all  about it, especially since it was only the beginning of Act 2, and it sure sounds like Anders is ALREADY suicidal. He clearly needs an injection of Vitamin H ... except this MANHAWKE was supposed to be macking on Fenris. Bah!

Lol. I heard that too. Seriously having him in the group brings down morale.

[Eydris Ivo]

panamakira wrote...

Jennifer Brandes Hepler wrote...

You only get the manic dialogue post-"Justice" if you're not yet eligible for the end-stage approval dialogue. So, you need to not be at 100% friend or rival and talk to him after "Justice," to get to see him go crazy-manic.

That's why I hadn't seen this conversation. I'm always either 100% friendship or rivalry. Now I'm gonna try it. I want to see lunatic Anders rejoice about planting the laser beam in the Chantry.

Anyone seen a video of this?

[silver-crescent]

Jennifer Brandes Hepler wrote...

You only get the manic dialogue post-"Justice" if you're not yet eligible for the end-stage approval dialogue. So, you need to not be at 100% friend or rival and talk to him after "Justice," to get to see him go crazy-manic.

So being a good friend/rival does help him stay sane®. That's good to know.

[SurelyForth]

Vaeron wrote...

SurelyForth wrote..

I disagree, to be honest. Orsino aside (and I believe his snapping is justified even though I disagree quite strenuously with what he does). The mages are defending themselves in their home and you kill more innocents attacking the Gallows than you would if you defend the mages. If Meredith was ordering an assault on mages outside of the Circle who are trying to burn the city down, then that would be different and actually feel like order is being restored to Kirkwall.

See, in mine Orsino had been dealing with evil mages all along.  Even knew of and encouraged the research of the mage who was dismembering and reassembling women throughout town, including Hawke's mother.  Several mages didn't resort to blood magic, including Bethany, and I saved them all (to Meredith's annoyance but Cullen's agreement).

Dealing with one evil mage. And I don't think he knew what Quentin was doing, as far as serial killing. I was under the assumption he was more interested in the whole using dead bodies to create a living being, since when he gets his Harvester on when you side with the mages, he's using corpses.

And I cannot blame any mage in that Circle for resorting to blood magic to defend themselves. Rites of Annulments are supposed to be very, very thorough and only Hawke keeps the ones who surrender from being slaughtered.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Jennifer Brandes Hepler wrote...

You only get the manic dialogue post-"Justice" if you're not yet eligible for the end-stage approval dialogue. So, you need to not be at 100% friend or rival and talk to him after "Justice," to get to see him go crazy-manic.

Oh, I see.  So if we are eligible for the end-stage approval dialogue, he never says anything like that.  Any reasoning why?

[Kim Shepard]

How does Anders/Justice act after he blows up the Chantry when Hawke has full friendship and supports him? I want to see happy Anders/Justice too...

[Sjofn]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Sjofn wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...
For those who romanced Anders, you can only guess how much Justice hated sitting idly by in Hawke's mansion -- and we can see the evidence with his manifesto lying everywhere.  He grew more and more paranoid, more restless.  Justice probably detested this.  Anders, also, has banter with I think Sebastian and Fenris about death and dying, and especially with Seb, he talks about Andraste being a martyr and all that.  If he could commit an act of betrayal, start a war, and make himself a martyr when Hawke punishes him... You understand how he might have thought this was an option.

I got the Fenris/Anders banter where he asks Fenris if he ever wanted to kill himself, and I was all  about it, especially since it was only the beginning of Act 2, and it sure sounds like Anders is ALREADY suicidal. He clearly needs an injection of Vitamin H ... except this MANHAWKE was supposed to be macking on Fenris. Bah!

Lol. I heard that too. Seriously having him in the group brings down morale.

Hee, I was seriously all, "Dang, dude, it's only Act 2." To be fair, I had Team Slapfight at the time, I was rolling around with Fenris, Anders and Sebastian, so all the banter was going to be crabby anyway.

Replace Fenris with Varric, and you have what my husband has called, in a totally accusatory tone, "Team Boyfriend." Stupid Sebastian. Such a tease! <_<

[Rinji the Bearded]

Kim Shepard wrote...

How does Anders/Justice act after he blows up the Chantry when Hawke has full friendship and supports him? I want to see happy Anders/Justice too...

He's at first quite happy that he's being allowed to live, but he has this eerie sort of calm afterwards.  He's still very strong in his conviction.  Of course, I got this one-liner from him in Lowtown as it was burning, and he said "This... isn't what I had expected," or something like that.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 22 mars 2011 - 07:10 .

[GailRana]

SurelyForth wrote...

Vaeron wrote...

SurelyForth wrote..

I disagree, to be honest. Orsino aside (and I believe his snapping is justified even though I disagree quite strenuously with what he does). The mages are defending themselves in their home and you kill more innocents attacking the Gallows than you would if you defend the mages. If Meredith was ordering an assault on mages outside of the Circle who are trying to burn the city down, then that would be different and actually feel like order is being restored to Kirkwall.

See, in mine Orsino had been dealing with evil mages all along.  Even knew of and encouraged the research of the mage who was dismembering and reassembling women throughout town, including Hawke's mother.  Several mages didn't resort to blood magic, including Bethany, and I saved them all (to Meredith's annoyance but Cullen's agreement).

Dealing with one evil mage. And I don't think he knew what Quentin was doing, as far as serial killing. I was under the assumption he was more interested in the whole using dead bodies to create a living being, since when he gets his Harvester on when you side with the mages, he's using corpses.

And I cannot blame any mage in that Circle for resorting to blood magic to defend themselves. Rites of Annulments are supposed to be very, very thorough and only Hawke keeps the ones who surrender from being slaughtered.

you know, i kept expecting there to be a quest where you either had to use blood magic, or lose one of your companions or something. The whole time i was trying to find Hawke's mother i was like "Crap, they are going to make me choose between blood magic and her death aren't they!" They didn't, but it would have been interesting to see just how far Hawke would have to be pushed to resort to blood magic herself, or if she would absolutly have nothing to do with it.

[silver-crescent]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Jennifer Brandes Hepler wrote...

You only get the manic dialogue post-"Justice" if you're not yet eligible for the end-stage approval dialogue. So, you need to not be at 100% friend or rival and talk to him after "Justice," to get to see him go crazy-manic.

Oh, I see.  So if we are eligible for the end-stage approval dialogue, he never says anything like that.  Any reasoning why?

Well Hawke has to have SOME influence on Anders. If (s)he can't stop him to blow up the Chantry at least she helps him not become an absolute nutjob.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

How does Anders/Justice act after he blows up the Chantry when Hawke has full friendship and supports him? I want to see happy Anders/Justice too...

He's at first quite happy that he's being allowed to live, but he has this eerie sort of calm afterwards.  He's still very strong in his conviction.  Of course, I got this one-liner from him in Lowtown as it was burning, and he said "This... isn't what I had expected," or something like that.

Really did he think it would be sunshine and rainbows?

My friendly Hawke let him live but at the end she seemed way too happy to run away with him. Between the Chantry blowing up and the the last battle she seemed less and less upset the world was crashing around them.

[SurelyForth]

GailRana wrote...
you know, i kept expecting there to be a quest where you either had to use blood magic, or lose one of your companions or something. The whole time i was trying to find Hawke's mother i was like "Crap, they are going to make me choose between blood magic and her death aren't they!" They didn't, but it would have been interesting to see just how far Hawke would have to be pushed to resort to blood magic herself, or if she would absolutly have nothing to do with it.

That would have required a mage Hawke, however, and I doubt they'll ever do a quest that class specific.

I could see one where you would have to encourage the use of blood magic to save someone, but even that's covered in the Best Served Cold quest when Alain whips out some blood magic to revive Carver/Bethany/LI. It might have been an interesting twist for Hawke to be able to intervene and be concerned that something hadn't warped the kidnap victim or something.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 22 mars 2011 - 07:15 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

How does Anders/Justice act after he blows up the Chantry when Hawke has full friendship and supports him? I want to see happy Anders/Justice too...

He's at first quite happy that he's being allowed to live, but he has this eerie sort of calm afterwards.  He's still very strong in his conviction.  Of course, I got this one-liner from him in Lowtown as it was burning, and he said "This... isn't what I had expected," or something like that.

Really did he think it would be sunshine and rainbows?

My friendly Hawke let him live but at the end she seemed way too happy to run away with him. Between the Chantry blowing up and the the last battle she seemed less and less upset the world was crashing around them.

I really don't think he expected to live, to be honest.

[GailRana]

SurelyForth wrote...

GailRana wrote...
you know, i kept expecting there to be a quest where you either had to use blood magic, or lose one of your companions or something. The whole time i was trying to find Hawke's mother i was like "Crap, they are going to make me choose between blood magic and her death aren't they!" They didn't, but it would have been interesting to see just how far Hawke would have to be pushed to resort to blood magic herself, or if she would absolutly have nothing to do with it.

That would have required a mage Hawke, however, and I doubt they'll ever do a quest that class specific.

I could see one where you would have to encourage the use of blood magic to save someone, but even that's covered in the Best Served Cold quest when Alain whips out some blood magic to revive Carver/Bethany/LI.

ah, true. But you don't have the option of "letting" him revive your sibling/li or not. But you're right, i guess it really was a mage play through that the "to blood magic or not to blood magic" dilemma occurs.

Modifié par GailRana, 22 mars 2011 - 07:17 .