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Of all the things to pick out of this discussion...

This is...wrong. While he may have killed the templars, the impression I have gained was that, despite his constant escaping and hatred of them, he always went back without a fight. Otherwise, they would have killed/imprisoned him for certain. The fact that you can send him away and he always comes back indicates, to me, that he's not guility of any crimes at that point, as he most certainly wouldn't want to return to the scene with dead templars were he responsible for their deaths.

As for the emotions...Anders and Sigrun are the compassionate party members in Awakening, approval wise. When the Warden discovers what happened in the Wending Woods, Anders is visibly upset and wants to get back to Velanna as quickly as possible to prevent further bloodshed. He's also very vocally (probably the most vocal) for defending Amaranthine on the grounds that there are still survivors...as a matter of fact, he actually compares abandoning the city to being no better than the darkspawn.

I think one of the points of Anders in Awakening is that he's self-centered, shallow and obsessed with his own freedom but is, at the same time, compassionate and willing to put others above himself when it comes time to make a choice. Heck, even his necklace is a gift from a nobleman he saved when escaped...the fact that he would risk being caught to help a stranger speaks very highly of who he is as a person. Certainly, he's capable of violence, but so is Wynne.


Wonderfully said. I couldn't agree more.

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@ Kami! Oh hallo! Another convert! >:)

@ Surely, I can't remember if the dialogue was in DAA (self-confessed one-time play through) but doesn't he get a bit more... maudlin/ reflective after being around Justice for a long time? Or is that just reflected on in DA2?

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Hallo. xD


Welcome, Kami-cat! Awesome artwork! :kissing:

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hello!

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YAY! New person!

Welcome to the revolution!

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Sialater wrote...

YAY! New person!

Welcome to the revolution!

<snip>


Bioware needs to sell shirts like this. I'd wear the crap out of this to conventions. And maybe to work. IDK. /nerd

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Mekarah wrote...

Sialater wrote...

YAY! New person!

Welcome to the revolution!

<snip>


Bioware needs to sell shirts like this. I'd wear the crap out of this to conventions. And maybe to work. IDK. /nerd


Seconded. I think my boyfriend would flick me, but I'm pretty sure it's the best shirt idea ever.

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After college I am permanently hardwired to hate Che shirts and the people who wear them. Please don't make me hate this thread. I like to visit every now and then.

You know, to get away from the crap.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 16 juin 2011 - 04:41 .


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Upsettingshorts wrote...

After college I am permanently hardwired to hate Che shirts and the people who wear them. Please don't make me hate this thread. I like to visit every now and then.

You know, to get away from the crap.

But you see, it is ironic.

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SurelyForth wrote...

Seconded. I think my boyfriend would flick me, but I'm pretty sure it's the best shirt idea ever.


Bah, I still haven't gotten mine to play. He watches me sometimes but...ehn. I got him to play Mass Effect so there's hope yet. I think maybe he's just already burnt out on it from me talking his ear off about things he doesn't understand ;) And by things I mean Anders. I just have a lot of feelings.

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Upsettingshorts wrote...

After college I am permanently hardwired to hate Che shirts and the people who wear them. Please don't make me hate this thread. I like to visit every now and then.


Rivalry, man. You don't have to hate it. Just yell at it every time it tries to give you presents.

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Upsettingshorts wrote...

After college I am permanently hardwired to hate Che shirts and the people who wear them. Please don't make me hate this thread. I like to visit every now and then.

You know, to get away from the crap.


Ha, you know, it's funny because I actually hate those shirts too, because most people who wear them have no idea what they're actually wearing, but...I dunno, Anders makes it better? It doesn't have to be Che styled if that makes it better for you ;)

ETA: Yes, ipgd, exactly. Irony.

Modifié par Mekarah, 16 juin 2011 - 04:48 .


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Someone needs to make an Anders Les Mis shirt, then. That also fits the revolution thing. ;)

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ipgd wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

After college I am permanently hardwired to hate Che shirts and the people who wear them. Please don't make me hate this thread. I like to visit every now and then.

You know, to get away from the crap.

But you see, it is ironic.

 
So would it make me the worst person in the world if I suggested improving the design by having Che!Anders wearing a Che shirt instead of robes? 

The awful would have layers.

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For the same level of Upsettingshorts-explosions-in-eyeballs reaction he'd need to be wearing Sebastian's belt buckle.

It's pretty close to the same thing.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 16 juin 2011 - 04:53 .


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Upsettingshorts wrote...

For the same level of Upsettingshorts-explosions-in-eyeballs reaction he'd need to be wearing Sebastian's belt buckle.

It's pretty close to the same thing.


You have given me the most wonderful, horrible idea.

I promise, if it comes to fruition, I will link it rather than post it directly in this thread.

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It's going to be just his beltbuckle, isn't it?

This is your revenge for my having switched my avatar away from Ron Swanson again.  I know it.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 16 juin 2011 - 05:02 .


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Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

After college I am permanently hardwired to hate Che shirts and the people who wear them. Please don't make me hate this thread. I like to visit every now and then.


Rivalry, man. You don't have to hate it. Just yell at it every time it tries to give you presents.


Freaking rivalry gifts
"Oh here, I got you this cupcake and-"
"I hate cupcakes F U"
:crying:

Sialater wrote...

Someone needs to make an Anders Les Mis shirt, then. That also fits the revolution thing. ;)


but-but that revolution was a failure... everyone died *clings to mages* (but I love that musical youtu.be/Xt4lG63yrkU )

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Upsettingshorts wrote...

It's going to be just his beltbuckle, isn't it?

This is your revenge for my having switched my avatar away from Ron Swanson again.  I know it.


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And I wasn't going to come right out and say it, but yes. Fat Apollo is awesome, but Drunk Ron is the most awesome.

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ReiSilver wrote...

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

After college I am permanently hardwired to hate Che shirts and the people who wear them. Please don't make me hate this thread. I like to visit every now and then.


Rivalry, man. You don't have to hate it. Just yell at it every time it tries to give you presents.


Freaking rivalry gifts
"Oh here, I got you this cupcake and-"
"I hate cupcakes F U"
:crying:

Sialater wrote...

Someone needs to make an Anders Les Mis shirt, then. That also fits the revolution thing. ;)


but-but that revolution was a failure... everyone died *clings to mages* (but I love that musical youtu.be/Xt4lG63yrkU )


Then.... Don't Tread On Me?

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If he could knows strip-spell like Triss in Witcher 2...

Modifié par ladyofpayne, 16 juin 2011 - 05:27 .


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kromify wrote...

why can't anders be a revolutionary without justice? (in essence)
awakenings was clearly a set-up for da2 - it was always the point to have JAnders the way he was. this isn't the point.
the value of JAnders to the plot is because he's an abomination, which makes him morally ambiguous to a lot of people. if we had a mage like beth or a circle mage's angry relative, for instance, it would have been a lot easier to support their pov. because JAnders is the very thing the circles are designed to prevent it makes him easier to condemn.


It also makes whatever political allegory they were going for kind of hard to grasp. Anders is a would-be Karl Marxy/Leon Trotsky/Bill Ayres-style figure, and yet none of those people could blame their hard-core beliefs on a spirit squatting in their head.

In the real world, there really are people who live and breathe for one politicial cause, and destroy their lives, loved ones and futures trying to change the world. Heck, if you talk to those people, they will even say things like "if you took away my cause, what's left?" and that they live for just one thing. My feelings towards those people are ambiguous already: it's great and admirable that they believe in something so whole-heartedly, I just wish they were less willing to sacrifice so much of what makes life worth living in order to do it.

You throw spiritual possession into the mix and you kind of loose the admirable part of being a strong believer in anything. They're not even really his beliefs anymore, or they might not be. Yes there's a big thing about self-doubt and identity crisis, but those don't require spirits either. So what's going on?

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Congratulations! :D

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Sialater wrote...

ReiSilver wrote...

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

After college I am permanently hardwired to hate Che shirts and the people who wear them. Please don't make me hate this thread. I like to visit every now and then.


Rivalry, man. You don't have to hate it. Just yell at it every time it tries to give you presents.


Freaking rivalry gifts
"Oh here, I got you this cupcake and-"
"I hate cupcakes F U"
:crying:

Sialater wrote...

Someone needs to make an Anders Les Mis shirt, then. That also fits the revolution thing. ;)


but-but that revolution was a failure... everyone died *clings to mages* (but I love that musical youtu.be/Xt4lG63yrkU )


Then.... Don't Tread On Me?

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Oh Maker YES. This. We need an Anders in a three cornered hat waving this flag :wub:

Modifié par ashyraine, 16 juin 2011 - 05:50 .


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Sialater wrote...

Then.... Don't Tread On Me?
-snip-


Oh, now that just gives me the most ridiculous ideas.