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[Jackalope]

Toastyblue2 wrote...

highcastle wrote...

I always imagined the opposite for some reason. I figured Anders was the firstborn.

I always had the same impression.

I've been toying with a plot bunny of Anders having a younger sister who was also a mage, but by the time he finds her, she turns out to be Tranquil. Someone is free to steal the plot bunny because I have other stuff that needs my attention so badly.

It would be a great read, but Maker, hasn't he had enough depressing trauma in his life?

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I'm sure it's not meant to be but, that is... pretty much without a doubt the daughter of Anders and my Dalish Warden... except for the whole elves and humans don't produce elves thing, and also I'd thought that they probably couldn't have kids. The resemblance is uncanny though. It's bending my universe.

I wonder sometimes if being Elven is recessive. Like, in a few centuries, when a lot of people have some elven blood, will two people who are apparently human occasionally produce an elf?

From what I understand, "recessive" isn't strong enough to describe the Elven trait. Even if an elf-blooded human had child with an elf, that child would be human, and if this child also grew up to get with an elf, and this continued for generations, the end result will always be human offspring. Somewhat weird-looking, but still. Always human.

Which can't be explained in terms of genetics, so I'll just handwave it as either the Maker hating elves or the Dread Wolf trolling them something fierce.

Indeed, I know what the default understanding is, but we have little data to confirm how it works long term. We know of so few half elves, and while Alistair doens't look elven (other than having a suitably high charisma, heh), Feynriel looks pretty darn elven-influenced, at the very least  And since I can't think of a rational reason why everything is exactly as it appears, it seems likely that there's something we don't know yet about the whole thing.

I was also partially thinking of Shadowrun... in that universe, sometime in the 2010s (hey, it was written in the 80s) magic begins to come back to the world, and elven and dwarven children begin to be born to human parents. Now, obviously the presence or absence of magic doesn't determine elven-ness (see Feynriel), but it would be interesting if it had something to do with their gods. If someday the elven gods come back, it would be funny if all the elf-blooded humans started producing elves. So your whole "the Maker hates elves" premise might be correct... but if we were to get the elven gods back, or even possibly a fresh set of gods, who knows what the future could hold? 

[kromify]

alistair's a half elf!?!?!?!  

[kromify]

rayemoon wrote...

I was thinking that, too, but I didn't know where it was he said that.  Do you remember?

sorry, no. i think i came across it by chance

Modifié par kromify, 19 juin 2011 - 10:33 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

kromify wrote...

alistair's a half elf!?!?!?!  

It's guessed that he is.

In one of the novels it's revealed that Marric had a kid with an elven mage Grey Warden, and she made him and Duncan promise to take care of him and not tell him that his mother was an elf.

Now, whether or not this mysterious Marric bastard is Alistair, or some new lost prince to be named lated, is impossible to determine. But so far people have made the assumption.

[kromify]

then did fiona already have a girl called goldana...? without her it seems unlikely!

[Amondra]

This is something I have been wondering too LOL. Glad to see I am not the only one.

[tmp7704]

kromify wrote...

then did fiona already have a girl called goldana...? without her it seems unlikely!

Goldanna doesn't have to be Alistair's sister -- if i'm not mistaken they both believe it because they're both told Goldanna's mother was Alistair's mother. But if it's a coverup to hide existence of actual elf mother, well.

[tmp7704]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

EDIT: Goddammit, tmp

you roll a 1 on your typing check and find yourself surrounded by ninja

[beckaliz]

 Hello folks! What have I missed while I was on my camping trip? Aside from fem!Anders. That was interesting. I have drawn my own characters as opposite genders once or twice...

And, also, Alistair could possibly be half-elf?? Mother a mage? That's pretty cool, since my canon Warden is a female elven Surana.  I approve the "Goldana as cover-up half-sister for his mage mother" drama!

Also-also, I am finally working on my Anders fic. I had a hard time with it last night and this morning though. I made myself cry. ;_;

[nixeleth]

I really wouldn't put it past Eamon to lie about Alistair's heritage, and not just because he's helping Duncan keep his promise. I already don't like him, giving me one more reason just sort of rolls off my shoulders.

Also, er, hello there. When dial-up permits, I spend time staring at the Anders thread and thinking, "What would it be like to post here?"

[Evilnor]

kromify wrote...

rayemoon wrote...

I was thinking that, too, but I didn't know where it was he said that.  Do you remember?

sorry, no. i think i came across it by chance

Wish we could find it, even though it's far more interesting for fic writing to keep Anders' family open-ended.

Also, the first time I found out about Alistair's supposed elven heritage was in SurelyForth's fic "Undertow."
  Since I hadn't read the novels yet, I had to look it up, and damn . . . poor Alistair, if it's true.  Lied to his whole life and treated like a stable boy in spite of his known parentage by a nobleman who by rights should've treated him like a nephew, then thrown to the templars when his wife raised a stink.

[nixeleth]

@Evilnor I also believe that the only reason Alistair constantly insists that Eamon is "a good man" is because that chantry hammered it into his skull every waking hour of the day that he could've been cast out on the streets and blah blah blah. When Corff said that Eamon was cured to "unite the land," I choked on my coffee.

[GailRana]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

kromify wrote...

alistair's a half elf!?!?!?!  

It's guessed that he is.

In one of the novels it's revealed that Marric had a kid with an elven mage Grey Warden, and she made him and Duncan promise to take care of him and not tell him that his mother was an elf.

Now, whether or not this mysterious Marric bastard is Alistair, or some new lost prince to be named lated, is impossible to determine. But so far people have made the assumption.

oh. If so, my Elf Warden's love for him is even more validated <3

[beckaliz]

rayemoon wrote...

 FYI, DAII finally prompted me to buy and read the two David Gaider novels.  I finished The Stolen Throne and I'm about halfway through The Calling now, and I really like them, and recommend them.  They've given me a much deeper understanding of the world of Thedas, and a much stronger appreciation for Gaider's ability to craft a coherent world, with multiple cultures, politics, and nuanced characters.

Just bought a Kindle today and The Stolen Throne is one of the first titles I acquired.  I'm hoping to be able to enjoy it during some travel I'm going to be doing tomorrow.



On another note, I thought I read somewhere that there is a mage book somewhere with a doodle of a tiger eating some Templars and "ser pounce-a-lot" scrawled next to it. It would obviously be an apprentice book that Anders had access to as a young thing. Am I imagining this or can someone tell me where this is?

[GailRana]

So, is almost everyone who loved DA2 Anders also an Alistair fan? If so, that's kind of interesting. I guess they do have the same "deflect with humor" tendency and such.

[GailRana]

beckaliz wrote...

rayemoon wrote...

 FYI, DAII finally prompted me to buy and read the two David Gaider novels.  I finished The Stolen Throne and I'm about halfway through The Calling now, and I really like them, and recommend them.  They've given me a much deeper understanding of the world of Thedas, and a much stronger appreciation for Gaider's ability to craft a coherent world, with multiple cultures, politics, and nuanced characters.

Just bought a Kindle today and The Stolen Throne is one of the first titles I acquired.  I'm hoping to be able to enjoy it during some travel I'm going to be doing tomorrow.



On another note, I thought I read somewhere that there is a mage book somewhere with a doodle of a tiger eating some Templars and "ser pounce-a-lot" scrawled next to it. It would obviously be an apprentice book that Anders had access to as a young thing. Am I imagining this or can someone tell me where this is?

It's in the Witch Hunt DLC in the Circle's library (I think in one of the books you can look up). I had played through awakenings before I got the DLC and about fangirled out at that reference

Modifié par GailRana, 20 juin 2011 - 04:33 .

[Reflection Muse]

beckaliz wrote...
On another note, I thought I read somewhere that there is a mage book somewhere with a doodle of a tiger eating some Templars and "ser pounce-a-lot" scrawled next to it. It would obviously be an apprentice book that Anders had access to as a young thing. Am I imagining this or can someone tell me where this is?

I remember that. I do believe that book was in Witch Hunt, in the Circle Tower. :happy:

[Arquen]

Not to mention David Gaider's novels actually made me LIKE Loghain. Only having played the game I completely despised the man. Now, well... no spoilers but different story. I feel bad about killing him now, though not terrible enough to not do it because I do love my Alistair.

Definitely worth reading. Gaider's writing style is excellent. His characters and plots are deeply crafted and carefully refined. Wonderful author *snaps*

wait a minute, this is the Anders thread not the I Alistair thread *shifty eyes* ummm.. yah....

Modifié par Arquen, 20 juin 2011 - 04:45 .

[ademska]

@gailrana: i certainly am, they're cut from a similar cloth and i like that kind of character archetype, tends to speak to hidden layers and whatnot, which both of them have in spades. same reason i love zevran.

anders' jokes are better, though

i am attracted to characters i can discuss for months on message boards

Modifié par ademska, 20 juin 2011 - 05:03 .

[GailRana]

Arquen wrote...

Not to mention David Gaider's novels actually made me LIKE Loghain. Only having played the game I completely despised the man. Now, well... no spoilers but different story. I feel bad about killing him now, though not terrible enough to not do it because I do love my Alistair.

Definitely worth reading. Gaider's writing style is excellent. His characters and plots are deeply crafted and carefully refined. Wonderful author *snaps*

wait a minute, this is the Anders thread not the I Alistair thread *shifty eyes* ummm.. yah....

really? Because i'm still in the "Despised the man" category. I'm going to have to get ahold of these book. I wonder if they have audio book version (I love to listen to books while working on projects) 

and don't worry, the "I Alistair" part is included in the thread's manifesto. <3

[Maaia]

Hi all. I've been lurking since the beginning of this thread (I'm shy) and have read nearly every page (I think I got lost a couple times when there were 50 pages of posts to catch up on over the course of a day ). I'm on my 6th play-through and I just rolled a male Hawke for the first time. (Is it bad that I think he's almost as hot as Anders?) I intend to try the Isabella or Merril romances with him, but not sure I'll be able to resist the call of the feathery pauldrons.

So, is almost everyone who loved DA2 Anders also an Alistair fan?

I was a total Zev girl in DAO. Thought I'd be all about Fenris in DA2, and I probably would have if not for the total Anders package. There is just something about Anders that is nearly irresistible. I have to say, The Kiss - and (pants) - is what won me over during my first run. I was totally :lol:

Anyways, just thought I'd venture out and say hi!