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[kromify]

tmp7704 wrote...

eyeofhorus87 wrote...

No one else in DAO cared how my character acted, except in the more extreme choice moments such as desecrating the Urn and then it nearly always leads to you having to kill someone.

Ehh, not really?

* Morrigan disapproves: -5
* Morrigan disapproves: -3
* Morrigan disapproves: -10

that's the most obvious example of course, but pretty much all companions had reactions and/or comments to stuff you were doing, both positive and negative (aside maybe fthe chantry board filler quests). Quite a lot of complaints about DAO companions was actually about how they dared to have opinions about the player's actions and how that was supposed to be them "whining" about these choices.

anytime anyone expresses a negative opinion they get called whiney. whiney is constantly complaining in a very irritating way, not 'please think about what you're doing for just a minute.'
anders didn't whine like some people say. he was spiteful (or so it sounded to me

new glory by yami

Modifié par kromify, 21 juin 2011 - 08:01 .

[highcastle]

Not to completely change the subject here, but now that DA2: Legacy has been confirmed and Howden kind-of-sort-of hinted that he'd done some more VA for BioWare, can we start speculating about DLC and Anders' role therein? If it involves the wardens (as the griffin statues suggest), it should be interesting to haul him along.

Also, it chronologically takes place before the final events of the game, which lends more credence to our companions being in it. It's still playable from the post-game save. When someone brought up the issue of Beth/Carver being in the party at that point, Laidlaw said it was "handled." Does this mean they just removed Beth/Carver from the party, or that it really does involve the Wardens? (Neatly ignoring that some siblings may be in the Gallows or templars, of course.)

It has to involve the wardens, right? Maybe we'll find out what Stroud owes Anders (please, yes).

[tmp7704]

eyeofhorus87 wrote...

Except that Morrigan acted the same to you regardless,  you just didn't get as many 'get to know you questions' if you were bad rep with someone.

Except she didn't act the same towards you regardless -- you get different greetings, responses and changes in dialogue depending on the relationship level, and being able to talk with her about more personal topics or not is very much acting different in my book. Because after all "i want to talk with you" and "i don't want to talk with you" are quite opposite ways to treat someone, are they not?

Then again if you showered her with gifts and then it really would make no difference.

But this just means you could counter the consequences of her caring how you carried yourself. When if she didn't care about your actions, there would be nothing to counter in the first place, no? 

I'm not saying that DAOs system was bad, I love DAO, I just prefer the way DA2 does it since a character disapproving with you actually makes them act differently.

I'm curious now, since i didn't really experience it; how exactly does it make them act differently, beyond what DAO does? I.e. change of responses depending on relationship level and the access to personal quests and/or topics.

Modifié par tmp7704, 21 juin 2011 - 08:03 .

[beckaliz]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

beckaliz wrote...

@Queen-of-Stuff: Did you manage to slog through my Twilight synopsis? Hehehe. x3



Has anyone posted this yet? XD It's adorable.

 - snip -

I did slog through it, yes, but the part of my brain that stored the memory of me reading that must have spontaneously destroyed itself to protect me from the trauma Mein Gott. I'll reply to you when I manage to adequately form a response, because there really are no words in the English language that can describe how I feel about it. Seriously. Had I not checked upon it afterwards, I'd think you'd made it all up, because... I mean, really? Really? This is the series managing to draw in millions of fans, managing to spawn movies? I just... augh, no. Twilight-hate is off topic. Anders-love is on topic. Yes.

And oh, that is adorable. That artist makes pictures that are so sweet it could rot Andraste's teeth

*cough*

Hee hee hee! Yes, Criz says she likes cute and cuddly things, so that it shows up so much in her artwork it's amazing. Usually I'm all for the angst and d/trauma, and stuff that is too sweet and sappy makes me go into a diabetic coma of "oh gawd no" but somehow those little chibis have endeared themselves to me. In fact, I believe I am going to make a desktop out of noodle love right this minute.

[Evilnor]

by rabbitzoro

Modifié par Evilnor, 21 juin 2011 - 08:12 .

[SurelyForth]

highcastle wrote...

Not to completely change the subject here, but now that DA2: Legacy has been confirmed and Howden kind-of-sort-of hinted that he'd done some more VA for BioWare, can we start speculating about DLC and Anders' role therein? If it involves the wardens (as the griffin statues suggest), it should be interesting to haul him along.

Also, it chronologically takes place before the final events of the game, which lends more credence to our companions being in it. It's still playable from the post-game save. When someone brought up the issue of Beth/Carver being in the party at that point, Laidlaw said it was "handled." Does this mean they just removed Beth/Carver from the party, or that it really does involve the Wardens? (Neatly ignoring that some siblings may be in the Gallows or templars, of course.)

It has to involve the wardens, right? Maybe we'll find out what Stroud owes Anders (please, yes).

Laidlaw says it can be played any time after arriving in Kirkwall. I imagine that Beth/Carver will be treated just like any party member, then. If they're around, you can take them with you. If not...you can't. There might be some variation...like if they are Wardens, you'll get them back in your party or something. There was a rumor that their VA's had recorded some things, so I think we can rule out them just not being there.

As for Anders...I don't know. If it is Grey Warden-centric, I pray that we get some other Awakening cameos and, yeah, more information on Stroud would be nice.

Whacky theory: The Wardens encouraged Anders to destroy the Chantry.

[leggywillow]

highcastle wrote...
It has to involve the wardens, right? Maybe we'll find out what Stroud owes Anders (please, yes).

We already know what he owed him: the most fabulous moustache ride ever.

[Furtled]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
*snip*
In a lot of ways, DA2 is like the Rocky Horror Picture show. There are all these gaps and incosistences
over which we must shout... and the shouting is the fun. It's most of the fun. The shouting and the making up new things to shout. When we get to the bits we like, we sing along.

In Mass Effect, I'm watching a movie I generally enjoy, and where I can shape the protagonist to
adhere to my vision of a hero. In DA:O, I'm telling a story, navgating creating a whole new perspective through which to see a world. In DA2 I'm shouting at the screen and singing along with the songs, but at this point I'm more interested in what's happening in the threater than on the screen.

Apologies for de-lurking out of the blue but this is by far the best summation of the issues I had with Hawke as a
character in-game. While I'd never argue that DA:O is the perfect game, or that DA2 doesn't deliver on some absolutely fascinating characters; it was much more of a struggle for me to connect with as a story than its predecessor, or ME/ME2, for most of the reasons you mention.

Slightly more on topic: Anders makes me want to pull an Egon Spengler on him - but I suppose we already know what happens when you take away the puppy kitten.

*resumes lurking*

Modifié par Furtled, 21 juin 2011 - 08:22 .

[highcastle]

SurelyForth wrote...

Laidlaw says it can be played any time after arriving in Kirkwall. I imagine that Beth/Carver will be treated just like any party member, then. If they're around, you can take them with you. If not...you can't. There might be some variation...like if they are Wardens, you'll get them back in your party or something. There was a rumor that their VA's had recorded some things, so I think we can rule out them just not being there.

As for Anders...I don't know. If it is Grey Warden-centric, I pray that we get some other Awakening cameos and, yeah, more information on Stroud would be nice.

Whacky theory: The Wardens encouraged Anders to destroy the Chantry.

Good point on the anytime thing. I forgot about that. 

And yes please to more Awakening cameos. Like Sigrun. I actually liked her more than I thought I would. And Nate. So much Nate. And this time, please let any cameos who knew Anders back in the day comment on how much he's changed. Someone had to notice and care. 

(It'd also be great if our Hawkes could ask the Wardens what Anders was like before Justice, just so he can get a sense of that change, but that's probably asking too much.)

[DreamerM]

highcastle wrote...

DreamerM wrote...
Did you remember to flirt with me at least twice? Is my Rivalry +80? Wall-slamming it is. Get over here!

Dammit, I knew I should've given you that amulet!

Well it certainly wasn't doing you any good just sittin in your inventory like that. Good news is you activated my Rivalry passive ability "Grudging Respect." I now get +532 defence against Wall of Text attacks.

Modifié par DreamerM, 21 juin 2011 - 08:29 .

[highcastle]

DreamerM wrote...

highcastle wrote...

DreamerM wrote...
Did you remember to flirt with me at least twice? Is my Rivalry +80? Wall-slamming it is. Get over here!

Dammit, I knew I should've given you that amulet!

Well it certainly wasn't doing you any good just sittin in your inventory like that. Good news is you activated my Rivalry passive ability "Grudging Respect." I now get +532 defence against Wall of Text attacks.

Pasive buffs make the world go round...well, something in the buff makes the world go round, anyway. :innocent:

[SurelyForth]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

highcastle wrote...

Good point on the anytime thing. I forgot about that. 

And yes please to more Awakening cameos. Like Sigrun. I actually liked her more than I thought I would.

Not to be a hope-crusher, but they haven't made models of female dwarves. So, most likely, no Sigrun
No such restrictions on Velanna, though...

I would love a Velanna cameo. Can you imagine Merrill being so apologetic for her behavior? Or Velanna openly scoffing at Merrill's naivete?

But I am biased...I adore Velanna.

I'm actually hoping for Oghren. I always imagined that he and Anders had a bond, having Joined on the same night, and I'd much prefer some of their verbal sparring to more Nate and Anders. Also, I think Oghren remarking on the change in Anders would be the most poignant, considering everything he's been through in his life and the regrets he has.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 21 juin 2011 - 08:38 .

[highcastle]

SurelyForth wrote...

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

highcastle wrote...

Good point on the anytime thing. I forgot about that. 

And yes please to more Awakening cameos. Like Sigrun. I actually liked her more than I thought I would.

Not to be a hope-crusher, but they haven't made models of female dwarves. So, most likely, no Sigrun
No such restrictions on Velanna, though...

I would love a Velanna cameo. Can you imagine Merrill being so apologetic for her behavior? Or Velanna openly scoffing at Merrill's naivete?

But I am biased...I adore Velanna.

I'm actually hoping for Oghren. I always imagined that he and Anders had a bond, having Joined on the same night, and I'd much prefer some of their verbal sparring to more Nate and Anders. Also, I think Oghren remarking on the change in Anders would be the most poignant, considering everything he's been through in his life and the regrets he has.

I'd definitely be up for Oghren over Velanna. I just never clicked with her much, but I like Oghren far more than most DAO players did, I think. Plus, I'd like an update on his family. I want to know if he ever did decide to be a good father to his nugget. I know what the epilogues say, but we all know how reliable those are.

[DreamerM]

highcastle wrote...

Not to completely change the subject here, but now that DA2: Legacy has been confirmed and Howden kind-of-sort-of hinted that he'd done some more VA for BioWare, can we start speculating about DLC and Anders' role therein?

Oh yes, oh very much yes.

Alright, using the "three fates of Alistair" as a model, lets come up with three roles for Anders in DA:3

1. The Renegade: Hawke sided with Mages in the last fight, spared Anders, they ran away together. Meet up with still-fugitive Anders while pursuing Hawke, learn Hawke and Anders had to part ways a while ago, he doesn't know where s/he is now. Given option to apprehend/kill him or let him keep running.

2. The Gray Warden: Hawke sided with Mages and let Anders live, but they didn't romance/leave together. Anders goes running to the only people he knows HAVE to take him in: the Gray Wardens. He winds up embroiled in whatever they are up to. Meet up with him to get some cryptic hints as to what they are doing and a nifty keepsake from "a friend." Also, he is reunited with Ser Pounce-a-lot.

3. The Martyr. He was either shanked by Hawke or killed himself after being forced to fight for the Templars. His body was probably displayed somewhere public too. He's since become a polarizing political figure and something of a hero for the Marge Freedom hard-liners.

(and just for fun, here's the really crazy option!)

4. The Spirit. When Anders died Justice DID return to the Fade, but not alone. A bit of Anders still exists inside in his mind. Confusion/hilarity ensues.

[beckaliz]

Evilnor wrote...


by rabbitzoro

OMG I DIE OF CUTE PATHOS

[SurelyForth]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...
Ah, the Awakenings crew, together again! Because, I actually really liked Awakenings? But I get the impression that I am one of the few.

I adored Awakening. Before DA2, Anders was my favorite companion and Oghren/Velanna/Sigrun/Justice were all kind of a big wad of interesting and/or awesome. My biggest complaint was that I felt like a chaperone who had highly compartmentalized relationships with each companion rather than part of the group. If that makes any sense.

Actually, my biggest complaint was that I couldn't just say "Forget King Handsome" then take the apostate out back to Grey his Warden.

[maxernst]

DreamerM wrote...

eyeofhorus87 wrote...

Except that Morrigan acted the same to you regardless,  you just didn't get as many 'get to know you questions' if you were bad rep with someone.

Letting your approval fall too far could result in everyone (excluding your fellow Gray Warden who can't leave because of Plot Reasons) either attacking you or just leaving you in the dirt. Keeping approval high avoids those fights.

eyeofhorus87 wrote...
Then again if you showered her with gifts and then it really would make no difference.

More gamers then I thought actually made this mistake, both with Morrigan and Leilianna: they gift her approval up to 100% and then wonder why they can't romance her. The only way to start a romance with those characters is to talk to them constantly, keep their approval high, and flirt when the option appears.

eyeofhorus87 wrote...
I'm not saying that DAOs system was bad, I love DAO, I just prefer the way DA2 does it since a character disapproving with you actually makes them act differently.

As opposed to attacking you or just leaving you to fight your impossible battle alone. Here's the thing, I never understood why a character whom Hawke has been nothing but harsh ahd mean towards for the entire game would, for Plot Reasons, still hang around him, come when he calls, go where he tells them and take his opinions seriously.

I have a hard time understanding the rivalry system, as well.  The only way I can rationalize it is that Hawke's spent so much time forcing them to help him do things they disagree with, belittling their opinions and generally bullying them that they're cowed into submission.  But most of  the companions don't seem like the sort to stick around in an abusive relationship.  And unlike DA:O, Hawke's not pursuing some larger goal that's important to them.

[Arquen]

Good god I've missed so much on this thread! It's like one day I miss it and it has already moved 10+ pages.

To chirp in here -- I actually really liked Velanna. She was such a hard ass in the beginning, but she actually grew on me. Her random hatefulness and spite was enough to make me like/hate her, lol. I thought Awakenings was great. I loved the characters, and the story was enjoyable. It was the only worthwhile expansion content in my opinion. Witch Hunt, the Darkspawn DLC, even Leliana's song were just plain... meh.

As for the expansion I really hope it has something to do with the wardens. I would assume they are going to explain more the "super secret presence that is so super important we can't tell you!" thing that has them in Kirkwall in the first place. Maybe something to do with the idol.. the Architect, the Warden him/herself? It will be interesting to see for sure. I honestly hope they do it where all the characters of DA2 can have a part in it. It is probably to much to hope for more cameos from Nate and DA:O characters, but I would love to see them.

And honestly, yeah.. why did Nate not comment on how much Anders has changed >.<. Guess he was to busy to care, bleh. Of all the people I was expecting him to say SOMETHING when you found him in the deep roads about Anders. More than just the "long time no see bro!" dialogue.

[beckaliz]

DreamerM wrote...

Alright, using the "three fates of Alistair" as a model, lets come up with three roles for Anders in DA:3

2. The Gray Warden: Hawke sided with Mages and let Anders live, but they didn't romance/leave together. Anders goes running to the only people he knows HAVE to take him in: the Gray Wardens. He winds up embroiled in whatever they are up to. Meet up with him to get some cryptic hints as to what they are doing and a nifty keepsake from "a friend." Also, he is reunited with Ser Pounce-a-lot.

I don't know, would the Wardens take him back? There didn't seem to be any love lost with them, and it's possible that they could eventually just not accept him because of the whole killing-other-Wardens thing. Unless you're just jesting.

...........................

EDIT UNRELATED: Does anyone know of any fic that depicts Hawke and Anders drinking? Just to see the juxtaposition between wasted!Hawke and Justice-sober!Anders. 

Modifié par beckaliz, 21 juin 2011 - 09:01 .

[DreamerM]

beckaliz wrote...

I don't know, would the Wardens take him back? There didn't seem to be any love lost with them, and it's possible that they could eventually just not accept him because of the whole killing-other-Wardens thing. Unless you're just jesting.

Well when you're a Warden, it's for life. The Taint never leaves you. So yes, I think the Wardens would have to take him back. It's their policy not to care what you've done, no matter how awful it was.

Now, this does not mean they couldn't stick him in some dungeon where the sight of him couldn't offend anybody. Or execute him themselves.

[highcastle]

DreamerM wrote...

highcastle wrote...

Not to completely change the subject here, but now that DA2: Legacy has been confirmed and Howden kind-of-sort-of hinted that he'd done some more VA for BioWare, can we start speculating about DLC and Anders' role therein?

Oh yes, oh very much yes.

Alright, using the "three fates of Alistair" as a model, lets come up with three roles for Anders in DA:3

1. The Renegade: Hawke sided with Mages in the last fight, spared Anders, they ran away together. Meet up with still-fugitive Anders while pursuing Hawke, learn Hawke and Anders had to part ways a while ago, he doesn't know where s/he is now. Given option to apprehend/kill him or let him keep running.

2. The Gray Warden: Hawke sided with Mages and let Anders live, but they didn't romance/leave together. Anders goes running to the only people he knows HAVE to take him in: the Gray Wardens. He winds up embroiled in whatever they are up to. Meet up with him to get some cryptic hints as to what they are doing and a nifty keepsake from "a friend." Also, he is reunited with Ser Pounce-a-lot.

3. The Martyr. He was either shanked by Hawke or killed himself after being forced to fight for the Templars. His body was probably displayed somewhere public too. He's since become a polarizing political figure and something of a hero for the Marge Freedom hard-liners.

(and just for fun, here's the really crazy option!)

4. The Spirit. When Anders died Justice DID return to the Fade, but not alone. A bit of Anders still exists inside in his mind. Confusion/hilarity ensues.

First, if BioWare seperates Hawke/Anders post-game after the friendmance, I will rage. It makes zero sense for the characters. (I'm still not over Zevran leaving. And the romance not even importing, so having him go sleep with Izzy was juts like salt in the wound. In the wound!)

But also, the DLC supposedly takes place before the endgame, which means we still don't know what happens with everyone after the run-for-your-lives bit.

[SurelyForth]

beckaliz wrote...

DreamerM wrote...

Alright, using the "three fates of Alistair" as a model, lets come up with three roles for Anders in DA:3

2. The Gray Warden: Hawke sided with Mages and let Anders live, but they didn't romance/leave together. Anders goes running to the only people he knows HAVE to take him in: the Gray Wardens. He winds up embroiled in whatever they are up to. Meet up with him to get some cryptic hints as to what they are doing and a nifty keepsake from "a friend." Also, he is reunited with Ser Pounce-a-lot.

I don't know, would the Wardens take him back? There didn't seem to be any love lost with them, and it's possible that they could eventually just not accept him because of the whole killing-other-Wardens thing. Unless you're just jesting.

Well...they might not realize that Anders killed those Wardens. It seems like he was the only survivor, and I find it hard to believe that they'd assume that Anders would do such a thing (considering his personality prior to the merge). I think the Chantry thing would be a bigger issue and, depending on what the First hopes to accomplish, the Wardens might see it as an opportunity.