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[mellifera]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Eh, I don't get the rage over Sebastian's chastity. It's not like he keeps it a secret or anything, it's your own fault for trying to get in the pants of a boring annoying useless man who took vows of chastity. Either you honour his wishes and stay with him anyway (though I can't see anything about his personality or actions that would make you want to do that) or move on.

Well, normally, the PC is allowed to do more or less anything, including altering the dispositions of companions they find annoying. And Sebastian is the only PC with a Scottish accent, so. I understand completely.

Honestly, that is really the only saving grace for Sebastian in my eyes. Not dropping everything and being WELL OKAY YOUR SPARKLEGINA IS PERFECT I WILL FORSAKE EVERYTHING TO GET SOME OF IT (well, at least not without lots of haranguing on the rivalry path and even then it's not like that) makes him mildly more tolerable to me.

Also his voice isn't that great as Sebastian The real tragedy is Varric not being a romance option anyway.

[DreamerM]

yukidama wrote...
SPARKLEGINA

A great name for your 80s glam rock group!

We're getting a lot of Sabastian here in the Anders thread....

[mellifera]

Hey, I have a thing for romancing characters people consider bros. Dat Garrus B]

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Varric and Garrus are proof of just how hot Bioware can make a character when they're not trying at all. Though the way they explained Varric's unavailability is absolutely marvelous.

Sometimes I wonder if Awakenings Anders was designed to make the fangirls swoon. Because if that was an accident... jesus.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 23 juin 2011 - 10:14 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

DreamerM wrote...

yukidama wrote...
SPARKLEGINA

A great name for your 80s glam rock group!

We're getting a lot of Sabastian here in the Anders thread....

We used to get a lot of Loghain in the Alistair thread, so I am assuming it's the same dynamic.
Were I interested, I would have been defending Sebastian by now, but I am indifferent for the most part.

[LT123]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Varric and Garrus are proof of just how hot Bioware can make a character when they're not trying at all. Though the way they explained Varric's unavailability is absolutely marvelous.

Sometimes I wonder if Awakenings Anders was designed to make the fangirls swoon. Because if that was an accident... jesus.

Since they knew what they had planned for DA2, judging by the banters, I would bet the writers deliberately did that,


Awakening:
Designers/writers: Heh heh heh.
Fangirls: *squeal* Anders!

DA2:
Fangirls: *squeal* Anders is a LI!
Writers:

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Hi KoP! I just finally heard Loghain's banters with the Dog in DA:O and holy crap. They made me finally sympathize with him, more than anything else I've seen or heard. The Orlesians stole and killed his dog. Heartbreaking.

The Anders thread has all sorts of character drift in here, which is part of why I like it so much. We can connect any subject back to Anders in six degrees, I bet.

[leggywillow]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

DreamerM wrote...
We're getting a lot of Sabastian here in the Anders thread....

We used to get a lot of Loghain in the Alistair thread, so I am assuming it's the same dynamic.
Were I interested, I would have been defending Sebastian by now, but I am indifferent for the most part.

That probably is the root of most of the dislike for Sebastian in this thread in particular, but I dislike Sebastian for entirely different reasons.  Mostly because he annoys the hell out of me.  Not in a "hey, I am a useless character" way like Fenris, so there is that, at least.

Comparing Loghain dislike to Seb dislike annoys me, for some reason.  Even though it's a valid comparison in the way you're intending, I would still like to go on record saying that Sebastian is nowhere near as interesting and cool as Loghain.

[River5]

"The Voice" by Queensrÿche...

am I still alive?
I think I've got it right.
I'm, I'm made of light.
Before I leave and go away,
I have some things that I must say.
Before I am gone.
Finally now I see,
there's so much inside of me.
Is everyone innocent?
The blood on the ground is almost dry
I'll take this chance, I'll try...
I'll try to tell you...
There's so many possibilities,
that I'm just starting to see.
It's like the poets that have always said,
when life is hanging from a thread...
you can hear that voice in your head.
And now my heart's done bleeding,
but I've just started seeing.
I feel my courage match the tide
as I see the other side.
When will we hear this voice all the time?
Just like a child in mother's arms,
I know I'm warm and safe, no harm
from whatever comes from now on.

[mellifera]

leggywillow wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

DreamerM wrote...
We're getting a lot of Sabastian here in the Anders thread....

We used to get a lot of Loghain in the Alistair thread, so I am assuming it's the same dynamic.
Were I interested, I would have been defending Sebastian by now, but I am indifferent for the most part.

That probably is the root of most of the dislike for Sebastian in this thread in particular, but I dislike Sebastian for entirely different reasons.  Mostly because he annoys the hell out of me.  Not in a "hey, I am a useless character" way like Fenris, so there is that, at least.

Comparing Loghain dislike to Seb dislike annoys me, for some reason.  Even though it's a valid comparison in the way you're intending, I would still like to go on record saying that Sebastian is nowhere near as interesting and cool as Loghain.

Yeah, my dislike of Sebastian is unrelated to Anders. I get Sebastian's reaction at the end of DA2. I like to think most of us are intelligent enough not to just hate a character because he was umg meanz to one we like, especially if they have reason to. Sebastian is just boring as hell and says so many douchey things and acts like such a holier-than-thou preachy and dismissive s**** that I can't tolerate him.

(And yes Anders' preachiness is tolerable to me because he as a cause beyond 'The Maker is ossum')

Modifié par yukidama, 23 juin 2011 - 10:32 .

[Kymberly]

I miss Ser Pounce-a-lot.



that's all.

[ademska]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

We used to get a lot of Loghain in the Alistair thread, so I am assuming it's the same dynamic.
Were I interested, I would have been defending Sebastian by now, but I am indifferent for the most part.

aw, i actually think sebastian is an interesting character. if i knew him in real life, i would hate everything about him, but he's a character archetype i don't see in games very often. he's not a knight templar, and he's not a pious pacifist. i mean, he's a big whiny baby, and that sounds like i'm dissing him, but he's interesting to me. which is a serious prerequisite for me liking him. which i do.

edit: but i want to emphasize once again that he is such an irritating little sh*head.  who i love. AUGH MY EMOTIONS

Modifié par ademska, 23 juin 2011 - 10:58 .

[kromify]

i fluctuate between apathy and dislike. i don't generally like religious characters, or religion for that matter.
too many rules, man! *hippie voice*

[ipgd]

I hate Sebastian as a person and would gladly punch him in the dick if I ever met him, but I like him as a character. He is a good character.

I don't really think the hate here is reactionary WAAA I DON'T LIKE HIM BECAUSE HE'S MEAN TO MY PIXEL BOYFRIEND because that is very silly. His conflict with Anders is one of the aspects of him I like, from a character standpoint.

They are really very much alike, despite the different directions their devotions/comical hypocrisy are aimed. It is an interesting contrast.

[Arquen]

Ryzaki wrote...

Sialater wrote...
Which doesn't actually make any sense.  Unless it's to stroke the player's ego.

Oh, and hi, I'm BACK!

Makes sense to me. If a defender of the mages Hawke is better PR than the dude who blew up the Chantry. If slayer of the mages Hawke is better PR (slew hundreds of defenseless mages for an apostate's who blew up the chantry crimes) and gives them an icon of injustice to fight against. Something more concerte than just the Chantry as a whole. It makes it more personal I suppose. Can't really blame the divine for what happened since she didn't order the RoA. Meredith was dead so it fell to Hawke.  ...Great now I'm thinking about Lelouch and how he tried to get all the hatred of the world aimed at him. Goddamnit it. *rewatches  Code Geass* 

They could use both but using Anders might end up with Hawke's actions being looked on a gentler light by some people.(Rallying under the guy who blew up the Chantry isn't gonna win many brownie points with the commoners). 
Also. WB. 

THIS! Code Geass being one of my absolute favorite anime. I also thought of this connection somewhat both for Hawke siding with the Templars and Anders trying to martyr himself. The whole "the war doesn't end until someone wins" theory. Lelouch is my hero, maker help me.

Still, I also think Anders' martyr comment was more a defiance statment as well. It definitely wasn't for that reason that he did it in the first place. In fact, my Hawke tends to go "dammit, I don't want to make you a martyr!" after that and opt not to kill him. Then he ends up coming back and you have to kill him anyways, but at least you didn't execute him.

Hawke usurping the battle cry doesn't help much either, but then in my head I always imagine the mages keeping Anders on their mind as the one who started the revolution. The mage who finally stood up and brought real change. Whisper his name, worship or hate him, but keep him in mind none the less. The truth is known to them, but only in whispers and rumors. I doubt Anders' involvement is really made public, and most people get the story "all wrong" as Varric says. Still, I'm sure Anders' memory is out there, and I'm sure there are mages who view his actions and him as something to rally behind.

Oh and because I am like 2 pages behind now..

Sebastian. I haven't quite decided about him. I love to rival him. I don't dislike him. In fact I waiver between *facepalm* and genuine like of the guy. To me he isn't a religious in your face with his beliefs kind of guy. He does his thing and I respect him for that, but he also could be doing so much more. I want him to be the Prince of Starkhaven and he is so resistant to that because of the Chantry. Screw the Chantry man! You have a kingdom and people who need you, wtf about them?! Ohhh it's to hard.. ohh you made vows... excuses excuses! I want to push him to be more than what he is, and in the end when he leaves in a huff I'm all "good for you! Finally some backbone! Go, be a prince!" -- "In fact if you can bring an army and advance on 'my precious apostate' (or whatever he calls Anders) I will do a happy dance before I decide to try to talk you down or kill you for being utterly RIDICULOUS!"

Modifié par Arquen, 23 juin 2011 - 11:29 .

[Amondra]

Sadly to be perfectly honest Seb gets all my rage from the fact I paid for him and I was excited, but then I had to wait until act two to get him. Okay I can deal with that. His preaching was a little grating but so was Anders and Fenris's so I couldn't complain. Act three rolls around. Kill a companion you have had from like day one or a leave...gameplay speak, Kill your only healer if you didn't roll mage and took healing and take me instead....

I lose all aspects of killing Anders just from that point alone. Why do I want to kill my healer and walk into battle without one? Are you nuts?!

Then his romance. I was going to try it because why not? Then I read how you can't flirt with anyone before he gets in the party, ontop of the Chasity thing (I thought you might sway him from it) So then I was done. I more made with EA or Bioware whoever, but take it out on him.

Him, Fenris, and Anders mirror each other rather nicely though....which also makes life hell if they are in the same group at once. I was pulling my hair out.

Over all personally I feel all the characters, some more then others, got cheapened in the long run in some forum or another, Seb is no different and I feel for him in that respect.

[Giggles_Manically]

Ehh I like Sebastian.

Even though he was pretty much just Varric skill wise.

[Ryzaki]

Arquen wrote...

THIS! Code Geass being one of my absolute favorite anime. I also thought of this connection somewhat both for Hawke siding with the Templars and Anders trying to martyr himself. The whole "the war doesn't end until someone wins" theory. Lelouch is my hero, maker help me.  

He's mine too. Ah Lelouch. <3  I've gotta make a mage based off him. 

Still, I also think Anders' martyr comment was more a defiance statment as well. It definitely wasn't for that reason that he did it in the first place. In fact, my Hawke tends to go "dammit, I don't want to make you a martyr!" after that and opt not to kill him. Then he ends up coming back and you have to kill him anyways,  but at least you didn't execute him.

Yeah if it had been an option my Hawkes that killed him would've tranquiled him instead.Sadly not an option to even attempt. Maybe after the templar ending he'll ask Hawke to tranquil him. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 juin 2011 - 11:35 .

[ipgd]

Ryzaki wrote...

Maybe after the templar ending he'll ask Hawke to tranquil him.

You should be a comedian.