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[CulturalGeekGirl]

I don't see Anders as the type who was always seeking love and acceptance, at least not consciously, anyway. I'd say it's more likely that Anders was just seeking a good time and Karl was the one who insisted on not doing anything until they got to know each other better. If the age difference is substantial, I can definitely see teenaged Anders purring over twentysomething Karl, and Karl steadfastly refusing to buckle in the face of his charms, until they finally reach a point where they know each other properly. That's why old commitment-averse Anders considers Karl his "first" real relationship. (I'd say first love, but there's that whole never dared to fall in love thing.) I picture everything before being stolen makeouts and quick trysts.

Hawke is, rain or shine, win or lose, Anders' first love. Sure, part of that is the acceptance, the willingness to help, the flirtation in the face of abomination-ness. The fact that three years later, she's still there, which is something Anders has definitely never experienced before, outside the tower. The fact that she has no hold on him greater than friendship, the fact that she can legitimately be relied upon, and she always comes back. There's also definitely a spark there, from early on, especially if she is kind to him... there's a reason he only flirts first if you're diplomatic. She's also strong, strong enough that he can let himself believe he won't damage her too much.

I'm not willing to go so far as to say that Hawke's the only person Anders could be with post-justice. I just think that he's developed in such a way that he can easily dismiss anyone who doesn't have all of those qualities, which is pretty much everybody (excluding, as you say, possibly a sympathetic Warden). I can see him meeting Hawke and putting her up against the battery of tests he has developed to give him honest reason to completely reject everyone he meets, only to find her passing every single one of them, something he didn't see as possible. He's practically saying: "Come on, be smart, run, god damn it, run, like everyone else does."

Edit: oh come on, Top again? I'm late for a thing, I'll come back and find something later. >_<

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 26 juin 2011 - 02:46 .

[ashyraine]

@CulturalGeekGirl That's pretty much how I see it. Especially because right before sexy times he gives you another chance to run "If not, I'll know you took my warning at last," which is DEFINITELY him saying godammit run. As someone who has done it (for science!) I'm still not sure how to explain the rivalmance other than a temporary lapse in sanity for both Hawke and Anders, though

And since this is close enough to top, here have a Creeper!Anders with a bonus Ezio!Hawke

[Giggles_Manically]

Leonardo wont be happy about this at all.

Everyone knows that he and Ezio are meant to be!

[ashyraine]

@giggles LOL! That pic But but but Anders and Ezio both love killing Templars! It was Meant To Be!

[DreamerM]

I have a very simple question. Is it possible to rival Anders on a pro-mage playthrough?Lots of metagaming involved, I imagine...

[Amondra]

ashyraine wrote...

@giggles LOL! That pic But but but Anders and Ezio both love killing Templars! It was Meant To Be!

Ezio and Anders killing Templars is like one of my fangirl dreams come true 

[ashyraine]

DreamerM wrote...

I have a very simple question. Is it possible to rival Anders on a pro-mage playthrough?Lots of metagaming involved, I imagine...

possibly. But it doesn't matter how you rival him.. he still acts like you hate mages even if you rival by saying BLOOD MAGIC IS AWESOME!!!!!  or "Maybe JUST maybe being possessed by any kind of spirit is a Bad Idea."

[LT123]

Head canon has non-romanced friended Anders end up with my finally-got-over-Alistair-dying Warden, who is running Vigil's Keep as Commander. I like to think he goes back to the Wardens-the Orlesian/Hero, Nate, Oghren, Sigrun, etc.-if Hawke didn't romance him. They could help. And he'd get Pounce back!

Edit: Formatting, why do you hate me so?

Modifié par LT123, 26 juin 2011 - 05:10 .

[Amondra]

 On the random topic of Shameboners:

[Evilnor]

The impression I get about Harrowings is that an apprentice undertakes it whenever it happens to be ready, as determined by the First Enchanter. This is usually around 19-20 or so, and if you're much older than that and haven't undertaken it yet, you should be worried, which made me think that Jowan was pushing 22-23 while my warden was only 21 or so at the oldest. Coulda been younger, though, as I've never looked at the dev notes or anything.

It also seems to me that Anders probably woulda been one of these precocious youths who take their Harrowings early, if only because he's a very advanced mage when you meet him in Awakening. No hard evidence, though. Aah, conjecture, how I love thee. Let me count the ways!

[DreamerM]

Evilnor wrote...
It also seems to me that Anders probably woulda been one of these precocious youths who take their Harrowings early, if only because he's a very advanced mage when you meet him in Awakening. No hard evidence, though. Aah, conjecture, how I love thee. Let me count the ways!

Speaking of Conjecture, in my Head!Canon not only did Anders take go through his Harrowing relatively early, but he breezed right through it. He woke up afterwards, told the Templar's standing around a very lame joke, then went downstairs for lunch.

[Amondra]

DreamerM wrote...

Evilnor wrote...
It also seems to me that Anders probably woulda been one of these precocious youths who take their Harrowings early, if only because he's a very advanced mage when you meet him in Awakening. No hard evidence, though. Aah, conjecture, how I love thee. Let me count the ways!

Speaking of Conjecture, in my Head!Canon not only did Anders take go through his Harrowing relatively early, but he breezed right through it. He woke up afterwards, told the Templar's standing around a very lame joke, then went downstairs for lunch.

That sounds like something he would do too...

[Evilnor]

DreamerM wrote...

Evilnor wrote...
It also seems to me that Anders probably woulda been one of these precocious youths who take their Harrowings early, if only because he's a very advanced mage when you meet him in Awakening. No hard evidence, though. Aah, conjecture, how I love thee. Let me count the ways!

Speaking of Conjecture, in my Head!Canon not only did Anders take go through his Harrowing relatively early, but he breezed right through it. He woke up afterwards, told the Templar's standing around a very lame joke, then went downstairs for lunch.

I think it's also when he became a spirit healer.  Perfect opportunity to meet a spirit and gain its trust so it'll help you later, no?  Probably also a good reason he'd breeze through it

[erilben]

Evilnor wrote...

The impression I get about Harrowings is that an apprentice undertakes it whenever it happens to be ready, as determined by the First Enchanter. This is usually around 19-20 or so, and if you're much older than that and haven't undertaken it yet, you should be worried, which made me think that Jowan was pushing 22-23 while my warden was only 21 or so at the oldest. Coulda been younger, though, as I've never looked at the dev notes or anything.

Bethany seems to show they can go through the Harrowing younger than that. She is 19 when she is taken to the CIrcle. She writes a letter telling that she was immediately put throught the Harrowing when she got there. Her father died when she was 15, so she's gone some time with no other mages training her at that point. Also Bethany's codex calls it a "much-delayed Harrowing", so normally she would have gone through it much earlier.

[DreamerM]

Evilnor wrote...

I think it's also when he became a spirit healer.  Perfect opportunity to meet a spirit and gain its trust so it'll help you later, no?  Probably also a good reason he'd breeze through it

Teenage Anders in the Fade:

Anders: o.o

Spirit: Yo!

Anders: Oh hello! Are you a demon?

Spirit: Nah. I'm just here cuz yer cool! ^.^

Anders: You are?  I was told there'd be a demon.

Spirit: Sorry man. Just me. Hey, wanna learn to heal? I can totally show you that.

Anders: Do you need to possess me? I don't wanna be possessed.

Spirit: Nah, I just teach you. Here, see? It's all cool.

Anders: I get it! Thank you. Oh look, there's the demon! (blasts it with a Fireball) I guess I'm done now. I gotta go.

Spirit: You do? Aw! Oh well. Enjoy the healing! ^.^

Anders: Thanks! See ya!

[Evilnor]

erilben wrote...

Evilnor wrote...

The impression I get about Harrowings is that an apprentice undertakes it whenever it happens to be ready, as determined by the First Enchanter. This is usually around 19-20 or so, and if you're much older than that and haven't undertaken it yet, you should be worried, which made me think that Jowan was pushing 22-23 while my warden was only 21 or so at the oldest. Coulda been younger, though, as I've never looked at the dev notes or anything.

Bethany seems to show they can go through the Harrowing younger than that. She is 19 when she is taken to the CIrcle. She writes a letter telling that she was immediately put throught the Harrowing when she got there. Her father died when she was 15, so she's gone some time with no other mages training her at that point. Also Bethany's codex calls it a "much-delayed Harrowing", so normally she would have gone through it much earlier.

Bethany also has MUCH more real-world experience than any Circle mage by that point.  The "much-delayed" part about the codex entry is probably more a tribute to her skill than anything else.  She's certainly no wet-behind-the-ears apprentice with 1-2 well-practiced spells at her disposal.  Her attitude and power are enough to even earn Fenris' respect before she's taken to the Circle.  If she actually had been brought up in the Circle, she would probably have been one of those precocious apprentices and taken it when she was 15 or something.

So yeah, you take the Harrowing when the First Enchanter thinks you're ready, which is also what it says in the codex.  http://dragonage.wik...y_of_the_Circle  But maybe some First Enchanters do this on basis of age rather than ability.  I'd lean towards ability, though.


Edit: @DreamerM: I would pay money to see Justice go "Yo!"

Modifié par Evilnor, 26 juin 2011 - 08:07 .

[Amondra]

DreamerM wrote...

Evilnor wrote...

I think it's also when he became a spirit healer.  Perfect opportunity to meet a spirit and gain its trust so it'll help you later, no?  Probably also a good reason he'd breeze through it

Teenage Anders in the Fade:

Anders: o.o

Spirit: Yo!

Anders: Oh hello! Are you a demon?

Spirit: Nah. I'm just here cuz yer cool! ^.^

Anders: You are?  I was told there'd be a demon.

Spirit: Sorry man. Just me. Hey, wanna learn to heal? I can totally show you that.

Anders: Do you need to possess me? I don't wanna be possessed.

Spirit: Nah, I just teach you. Here, see? It's all cool.

Anders: I get it! Thank you. Oh look, there's the demon! (blasts it with a Fireball) I guess I'm done now. I gotta go.

Spirit: You do? Aw! Oh well. Enjoy the healing! ^.^

Anders: Thanks! See ya!

YES! This is my head canon now!

[DreamerM]

erilben wrote...
Bethany seems to show they can go through the Harrowing younger than that. She is 19 when she is taken to the CIrcle. She writes a letter telling that she was immediately put throught the Harrowing when she got there. Her father died when she was 15, so she's gone some time with no other mages training her at that point. Also Bethany's codex calls it a "much-delayed Harrowing", so normally she would have gone through it much earlier.

I think by "much delayed" it meant not that she would have been younger, but that they judge she should have gone though one a long time ago if she's gonna practice magic like she's a full-fledged mage....which she was before she got there.

They put her through a Harrowing right away? Add that to list of proof that the Circle was being grossly mismanaged. Not all Apostates get access to the quality training Bethany got, and I'd think that the first thing they'd do when they "acquire" an apostate is figure out their level of skill and control over their powers, and then put them through a period of formal training before they subject them to a potentially-fatal Harrowing.

There's a codex entry that says the Kirkwall Circle has a higher percentage of failed Harrowings then is usual. I'm not surprised if they throw apostates into Harrowings with little-to-no preperation. It's a good thing Bethany kind of pwns.

[Ryzaki]

I'm starting to see Anders falling in love with rival! Hawke for Hawke's frankness and uprightness with him. Hawke is honest. He/she doesn't try to lie to gain his favor but merely tell him exactly what they think of him to his face. He/she despite being massive jerk defends those close to them and is strong of mind and body. They make their own decisions and have nothing holding them back.  He/she also gives as good as they get in arguements with Anders. 

I could see why he'd fall in love with Hawke despite he/she infuriating him.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 juin 2011 - 08:53 .

[kromify]

walking back home last night the air was very misty. i had to walk down a very long stone staircase to get to the town centre, and whilst at the top all the lights from the town were being absorbed into the mist. it looked like a warm reddish glow had fallen over the town... it was totally jenga twilight!!!!    


on the subject of ages, my parents have 14 years between them, but they met at 30 and 44, which is better than 18 and 32! and who said they thought 6 years was a lot?     but this makes me far more accepting of having an older partner

[Heidenreich]

6 years is nothing ;p

My aunt and uncle are 10 years apart. He met her when she was 21 and he was 31. They've been married for 20 years ;p

My bestestest best best friend's parents are 19 years apart --- although they met when she was 15 and he was 32, and it utterly creeped my mother out when -I- was 15 and I wasn't allowed to spend the night there ;p

Turns out her mom was just a little **** who told him she was 20.. He didn't learn she was 15 till she turned up preggers. He married her on the spot. He was a wonderful man, I miss him fiercly

[Sialater]

Anders had to be Harrowed or he wouldn't be acknowledged as a mage by Rylock. She'd call him apprentice.

[legbamel]

DreamerM wrote...
I think by "much delayed" it meant not that she would have been younger, but that they judge she should have gone though one a long time ago if she's gonna practice magic like she's a full-fledged mage....which she was before she got there.

They put her through a Harrowing right away? Add that to list of proof that the Circle was being grossly mismanaged. Not all Apostates get access to the quality training Bethany got, and I'd think that the first thing they'd do when they "acquire" an apostate is figure out their level of skill and control over their powers, and then put them through a period of formal training before they subject them to a potentially-fatal Harrowing.

There's a codex entry that says the Kirkwall Circle has a higher percentage of failed Harrowings then is usual. I'm not surprised if they throw apostates into Harrowings with little-to-no preperation. It's a good thing Bethany kind of pwns.

I wonder if that was something Meredith forced on Orsino because Cullen was trying to protect her.  If she passes, fine.  If she doesn't, she dies.  Abominations would be vulnerable while changing if it weren't for cut-scene armor.