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[KnightofPhoenix]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I personally don't really see the appeal of the Anders romance in general outside metagaming and for the RPing experience. But that's something we already covered.

So you don't see the appeal of the Anders romance aside from... playing the game?   Unless there's a way to experience a cRPG that isn't either in-character roleplaying or metagaming that I haven't been introduced to.  Self-insert?

As in I don't see the appeal of the romance were it in real life.

[ForgeDark]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Dalira Montanti wrote...

how cool would it be if Anders went down on one knee

Well, it'd make beheading him - you know, the crazy abomination - for his crimes a lot easier.

Oh, you mean to propose?  That would be almost as crazy and damn-the-torpedoes shortsighted as the rest of his actions.  But while it may be dumb, at least it might be in character.  Sort of.

I do worry though about anyone who experiences either romance path for Anders and thinks "marriage!" though.

eyeofhorus87 wrote...

I find it very difficult to argue about Ander's actions without bring in RL examples , which I know is inappropriate for this forum, so I have to keep out of it

Pft, I've cited Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City Bombing.  Not a word from the mods, probably because of the context of the post and discussion. 

Just don't photoshop Anders' face onto Osama bin Laden and you'll probably be fine.

I mainly want to refer to the situation in South Africa, where the armed side of the ANC (which did kill people in bombs) got classified as terrorists not only by SA govenment but also the USA. Which, it could be argued, they were. What many (most?) people don't realise is that Nelson Mandela was a founding member of that organisation.

[upsettingshorts]

eyeofhorus87 wrote...

I mainly want to refer to the situation in South Africa, where the armed side of the ANC (which did kill people in bombs) got classified as terrorists not only by SA govenment but also the USA. Which, it could be argued, they were. What many (most?) people don't realise is that Nelson Mandela was a founding member of that organisation.

Seems like a fair and reasonable example to me.  But then, I've been on the "terrorism is a tactic not a way of life or ideological position" train for so long that it's started to bore everyone. 

[ademska]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

As in I don't see the appeal of the romance were it in real life.

i like to think most of us don't, at least here.

the hawkes i play who romance him are crazy bastards which is a total prerequisite for hitting that, and i don't tend to include myself in that category.


side note: ron f*cking swanson

Modifié par ademska, 28 juin 2011 - 08:45 .

[beckaliz]

Quick. Somebody give me inspiration for a drawing. I'm tired of trying to play on the xbox on my dad's old TV with no HD. It's damm hard to read the text on the screen for Hawke!speech and even worse when trying to choose equipment and I'm done with it. I'll watch a movie and draw instead.

Of course, I want it to be Anders-related.

[mellifera]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I personally don't really see the appeal of the Anders romance in general outside metagaming and for the RPing experience. But that's something we already covered.

So you don't see the appeal of the Anders romance aside from... playing the game?   Unless there's a way to experience a cRPG that isn't either in-character roleplaying or metagaming that I haven't been introduced to.  Self-insert?

As in I don't see the appeal of the romance were it in real life.

I'm playing a game. I am not Hawke, it isn't necessary that I (the player) want to have a relationship with the person my character does. If I like the character and the role they play in the story, it's enough for me. I don't get the need for them to be IRL relationship material for me as the player in order to be a good (as in compelling, interesting) relationship for my PC (who isn't me).

Modifié par yukidama, 28 juin 2011 - 08:52 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

yukidama wrote...
I'm playing a game. I am not Hawke, it isn't necessary that I (the player) want to have a relationship with the person my character does. If I like the character as a character and the role they play in the story, it's enough for me. I don't get the need for a character to be IRL relationship material for the player in order to be a good (as in compelling, interesting) relationship for a character.

Nor am I saying that there is such a need.

[ForgeDark]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

eyeofhorus87 wrote...

I mainly want to refer to the situation in South Africa, where the armed side of the ANC (which did kill people in bombs) got classified as terrorists not only by SA govenment but also the USA. Which, it could be argued, they were. What many (most?) people don't realise is that Nelson Mandela was a founding member of that organisation.

Seems like a fair and reasonable example to me.  But then, I've been on the "terrorism is a tactic not a way of life or ideological position" train for so long that it's started to bore everyone. 

Same here, just this is the first time I have bored people on this thread 

I have to say I always wonder what people think Mandela was in prison for. Taken from wikipedia: the specifics of the charges to which Mandela admitted complicity involved conspiring with the African National Congress and South African Communist Party to the use of explosives to destroy water, electrical, and gas utilities in the Republic of South Africa. (bold me) To take something from the Fenris thread discussion: sometimes the ends do justify the means, and considering the amount of people that idolise Nelson Mandela many people agree with that position without realising it. If you're going to blow something up you're always taking a risk even if you try not to injure people.

[ipgd]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Nor am I saying that there is such a need.

I think most of us here are in agreement that you need to be intensely crazy to spend five minutes in the same room with the guy, soooo. RL appeal is only a part of what makes a romance potentially interesting.

[KnightofPhoenix]

ipgd wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Nor am I saying that there is such a need.

I think most of us here are in agreement that you need to be intensely crazy to spend five minutes in the same room with the guy, soooo. RL appeal is only a part of what makes a romance potentially interesting.

I concur. On both points.

[mellifera]

Then what's the point of bringing up that it's unappealing IRL if there's no need for it to be within the context of the game?

[KnightofPhoenix]

yukidama wrote...

Then what's the point of bringing up that it's unappealing IRL if there's no need for it to be within the context of the game?

Because I want to?

[beckaliz]

yukidama wrote...

Then what's the point of bringing up that it's unappealing IRL if there's no need for it to be within the context of the game?

There doesn't have to be a specific point to stating your personal position. What I got from what he said was that he likes Anders as a character in the game from a story and roleplay perspective but acknowledges that it's an unhealthy sort of affair IRL.

Correct me if I'm wrong, KoP.

You don't have to have a POINT to have a conversation.

[Collider]

Everyone has their preferences in video game and real-life romance.
The reason why people don't "get" some of the romances is because everyone is different and not a carbon copy of each other.
I don't find Anders attractive in almost any senses, but I don't really care if others do.

Some people do play as "themselves" in the video games...but keep in mind that they're also playing as a warrior, mage, or rogue zipping around killing tons of people who thereafter explode for apparently no reason.
People are going to do things they wouldn't normally.
And to be honest, I always saw Hawke as least a little crazy myself.
Choosing your Dragon Age 2 romance is like choosing your flavor of insane.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...
He's in it for the lulz.

Almost always.

beckaliz wrote...
There
doesn't have to be a specific point to stating your personal position.
What I got from what he said was that he likes Anders as a character in
the game from a story and roleplay perspective but acknowledges that
it's an unhealthy sort of affair IRL.

Correct me if I'm wrong, KoP.

You don't have to have a POINT to have a conversation.

Not roleplaying perspective, as I thought he was a reckless fool, both in-game and out. But story perspective yes.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Collider wrote...
Choosing your Dragon Age 2 romance is like choosing your flavor of insane.

An important reason as to why none of them appealed to me.

[beckaliz]

Collider wrote...

Choosing your Dragon Age 2 romance is like choosing your flavor of insane.

Hee hee hee. This. 

[kromify]

i like lemon flavour:mellow:

Modifié par kromify, 28 juin 2011 - 09:09 .

[highcastle]

I would never want to date someone precisely like Anders in real life. Maker knows I've dealt with those types of mood swings in my personal life already. But from a narrative standpoint, he's fascinating. And since I romanced him on my first playthrough, I found out there's really no greater drama in the game.

I think I've mentioned before that I tend to RP flawed characters. So the Hawkes I play are usually no better mentally than Anders himself. Again, that type of pairing has a lot inherent drama. And drama is the making of good fiction. There's pretty much no story without conflict and tension. Part of what I like about the Anders arc is that it really is a full arc. You have the "happy and in love" times, but then you also get to watch it fall apart not because of lack of love but lack of communication. It's a breakdown common in real life but not so much in games.

As for post game, I see more drama on the horizon, not fluff and kittens. Even a Hawke who supports the mages and revolutions is going to have to come to terms with the fact that Anders kept something huge from him, something that changes their relationship in a big way. I think they could have a future but it will be messy and slow in coming if only because there won't be any trust there.

[ElZeeTrois]

I'm surprised no one has made the Fight Club comparison.

[KnightofPhoenix]

kromify wrote...

i like lemon flavour:mellow:

My nickname as a kid was "lemon"....just so you know

[ipgd]

Collider wrote...

Choosing your Dragon Age 2 romance is like choosing your flavor of insane.

Hey, Isabela was pretty sane. And with your buddy pal Anders there to deal with your crabs, what's the downside?

[kromify]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

kromify wrote...

i like lemon flavour:mellow:

My nickname as a kid was "lemon"....just so you know

i'd flavour you any day