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[KnightofPhoenix]

kromify wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

kromify wrote...

i like lemon flavour:mellow:

My nickname as a kid was "lemon"....just so you know

i'd flavour you any day  

You might want to squeese a little

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 28 juin 2011 - 09:21 .

[kromify]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

kromify wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

kromify wrote...

i like lemon flavour:mellow:

My nickname as a kid was "lemon"....just so you know

i'd flavour you any day  

You might want to squeese a little

*squeezes*... just to get the pips out   

[Zjarcal]

@KoP

Is there a story behind why you were called lemon as a kid?

Collider wrote...

Choosing your Dragon Age 2 romance is like choosing your flavor of insane.

I've always said that you have to be a little insane in some way to be interesting.

[KnightofPhoenix]

kromify wrote...
*squeezes*... just to get the pips out   

Ok, now you just have to shake it for it to be done. Like...back and forth...

...ok I'll stop

Zjarcal wrote...

@KoP

Is there a story behind why you were called lemon as a kid?

Well other than the fact that for some reason, people thought I was very sweet, it's because it's close to my name (well my nickname. So I had a nickname for my nickname).

[beckaliz]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Collider wrote...
Choosing your Dragon Age 2 romance is like choosing your flavor of insane.

An important reason as to why none of them appealed to me.

I'm borderline this as well, TBH. Since I've written stories with totally dysfunctional crazy characters for years, however, I can find things that I like in them. I mean, they drive the story and make things interesting.

But personally I don't like the female choices of--to give them extreme descriptions--"skanky boobage" and "naive child playing with poison gas". If I was a guy I'd be able to find things I like in them, I'm sure, but things are as they are, and I like me the manmeats.

(I also used to suck on raw lemons as a kid. ..... )

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The whole of Thedas is dysfunctional, though. I don't understand why some people can't take a story for being a story, and accept that there's dysfunction everywhere.

It's not like Fenris isn't also possessed by his own rage, and need for vengeance. He said himself, he wanted to let Hadriana go, but he couldn't because of the sickness of his hate. Like Anders says in banter, he doesn't need to be possessed to do monstrous things. And---oh, beans. I don't want to participate in a discussion on that line, so I won't say any more. lol.

I'm not going to be articulating this as well as I'd like to, but... It's frustrating to try and distinguish some people's arguments for/against as whether they simply don't agree with what Anders did, or if they think he's genuinely and flat out a bad character. All of the "well he SHOULD have done it like THIS" or "911 was bad... so is Anders!" comments are so one-dimensional. I won't say they're necessarily "black and white" (which seems to have become something of a swear word), but they don't have a lot of depth to them. Why should Anders have done anything differently? He did it the way he did it because it made sense to him. Because it's a game, and there aren't any IRL people possessed by spirits of Justice to have a conversation with, the entirety of his thought processess will never be completely understood. Why do we have to pick apart why it made sense to him? Following that, I don't see anything wrong with "IF he had done THIS, then it would have been more effective".

I guess what I dislike seeing the most is when people just seem to hate a character, as a character, because of what the character does. I mean, I have to be honest and say that the only character I *really-really* hate in the game is Petrice. But I don't think she's a bad character. I love to hate her. I just want to throttle her and punch her face into the ground. I don't even feel that way towards Meredith. XD It seems to me--SEEMS TO ME--that a lot of people who hate Anders don't even really like hating him. They feel personally betrayed. If this sort of person doesn't like crazy plot happenings, then they shouldn't be playing a roleplaying game.

You don't walk into a steakhouse (mmmmm.... steak....) and complain that there's no cotton candy. 

Modifié par beckaliz, 28 juin 2011 - 09:35 .

[kromify]

beckaliz wrote...

You don't walk into a steakhouse (mmmmm.... steak....) and complain that there's no cotton candy. 

oh yeah? and where's fenris in this thread? i demand fenris!

[kromify]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

kromify wrote...

beckaliz wrote...

You don't walk into a steakhouse (mmmmm.... steak....) and complain that there's no cotton candy. 

oh yeah? and where's fenris in this thread? i demand fenris!

AND I WANT A SERGEANT KYLON ROMANCE DAMMIT

kylon? really? pansexual huh.

now teagan i can get on board with, if you know what i mean  

[KnightofPhoenix]

beckaliz wrote...
I'm not going to be articulating this as well as I'd like to, but... It's frustrating to try and distinguish some people's arguments for/against as whether they simply don't agree with what Anders did, or if they think he's genuinely and flat out a bad character. All of the "well he SHOULD have done it like THIS" or "911 was bad... so is Anders!" comments are so one-dimensional. I won't say they're necessarily "black and white" (which seems to have become something of a swear word), but they don't have a lot of depth to them.

As one who does say that what he did was foolish and that mages needed to do something else to be mroe efficient and more likely to get what they want (even though apparently the majority does not want to leave the Chantry), I do not think what I say lacks depth or is one-dimensional (unless you mean me taking as objective a view as possible and not caring about sentimentality as an argument is one-dimensional). I've several times explained the whys, whats and the hows in several mega-posts, usually bringing what political and historical knowledge I have on the table. And have many times said that Anders couldn't have done what was better and in his mental condition, should not have done anything at all, because it was not his place.

But, I don't think he was a bad character. He was interesting. As a person, I do not look at him as "black", or "white" or "grey", though that's me rejecting the entire concept and spectrum. He's just Anders / Vengeance.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 28 juin 2011 - 09:48 .

[kromify]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

As one who does say that what he did was foolish and that mages needed to do something else to be mroe efficient and more likely to get what they want (even though apparently the majority does not want to leave the Chantry), I do not think what I say lacks depth or is one-dimensional (unless you mean me taking as objective a view as possible and not caring about sentimentality as an argument is one-dimensional). I've several times explained the whys, whats and the hows in several mega-posts, usually bringing what political and historical knowledge I have on the table. And have many times said that Anders couldn't have done what was better and in his mental condition, should not have done anything at all, because it was not his place.

But, I don't think he was a character. He was interesting. As a person, I do not look at him as "black", or "white" or "grey", though that's me rejecting the entire concept and spectrum.

i'm not too fond of that phrase "not his place." i will agree that he wasn't the best candidate for he job however considering how off the ball he was. 

[beckaliz]

 @Queen-of-Stuff
But I just put Fenris on the Fenris thread.  I can't put the same Fenris here... The only other Fenris I have to offer is a sketch I really don't like. 

[Toastyblue2]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

yukidama wrote...

I gather that too, but there's always someone.... lots of someones. I will take every chance I get to say that it's a horrible idea and that the marriage/pregnancy/baby/domestic life fantasies for either male LI makes me laugh my ass off.

Well, yes, I understand that. But I don't think there's any danger to them having their fun. That's the sort of thing that is a lot more fun in theory than in reality, and I doubt those are the sorts of relationships they actually want to emulate.

Okay, here's the thing I just can't get past.

I absolutely agree that having a spring wedding by the ocean, having boy-and-girl twins, living in a picturesque cottage by the sea, having a kitten farm and a vegetable garden is really not in keeping what Anders (or Fenris) will a) want or need. It's not in keeping with the way DA2 ended and doesn't really address the plot events that are certainly (or may possibly) come.

But...if done right and done true to the plot and characters, a writer can really use some of those issues to drum up some serious angst/drama. What if Hawke and Anders got married and found themselves separated for most of their marriage? It's hard to be away from the one that you love, and sometimes makes you spend excess energy and attention wanting to be with that person. What if they got married despite the lack of trust that Hawke must certainly have after Anders out-and-out lied to him/her? (People certainly have unhealthy marriages that have histories of distrust.)

What -if- a female Hawke discovered that she was pregnant, realized that she was having a child with a guy that was very unstable and dangerous, and had to run away? What if she didn't want to keep the child? What if she lost the child in battle? There's chances for real drama and angst there that can be written well by the right writer. (I'm not that person. I know from personal experience that pregnancy doesn't exactly make you eager to go fight in a war.)

What if a writer wants to really explore how futile it is to set up any sort of domestic life with either of the male LIs?

Now, I'll freely admit that angst and drama aren't for everyone, but both have their audiences, and there's nothing wrong with that.

[beckaliz]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

beckaliz wrote...
I'm not going to be articulating this as well as I'd like to, but... It's frustrating to try and distinguish some people's arguments for/against as whether they simply don't agree with what Anders did, or if they think he's genuinely and flat out a bad character. All of the "well he SHOULD have done it like THIS" or "911 was bad... so is Anders!" comments are so one-dimensional. I won't say they're necessarily "black and white" (which seems to have become something of a swear word), but they don't have a lot of depth to them.

As one who does say that what he did was foolish and that mages needed to do something else to be mroe efficient and more likely to get what they want (even though apparently the majority does not want to leave the Chantry), I do not think what I say lacks depth or is one-dimensional (unless you mean me taking as objective a view as possible and not caring about sentimentality as an argument is one-dimensional). I've several times explained the whys, whats and the hows in several mega-posts, usually bringing what political and historical knowledge I have on the table. And have many times said that Anders couldn't have done what was better and in his mental condition, should not have done anything at all, because it was not his place.

But, I don't think he was a bad character. He was interesting. As a person, I do not look at him as "black", or "white" or "grey", though that's me rejecting the entire concept and spectrum. He's just Anders / Vengeance.

Oh yes, I know. I had this little thing at the end of that paragraph just for you:
"Following that, I don't see anything wrong with "IF he had done THIS, then it would have been more effective"."
Perhaps you did not see it. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

beckaliz wrote...
Oh yes, I know. I had this little thing at the end of that paragraph just for you:
"Following that, I don't see anything wrong with "IF he had done THIS, then it would have been more effective"."
Perhaps you did not see it. 

Oh sorry, I did not. Not been sleeping that much lately.

But awww thanks for remembering!

[beckaliz]

Hmm, I can see where there is a gray line in the difference that I see between "he should have done this", and "if he had done this it would have been more effective".

Articulation = fail.

And of course I remembered! It was your terrifyingly long diatribes on such issues that made me first express my fear of you.  .... 

Modifié par beckaliz, 28 juin 2011 - 09:57 .

[ipgd]

Baby drama is the worst kind of drama.

[KnightofPhoenix]

beckaliz wrote...

And of course I remembered! It was your terrifyingly long diatribes on such issues that made me first express my fear of you.  .... 

That's seriously one of the best compliments I could ever have

[kromify]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

beckaliz wrote...

And of course I remembered! It was your terrifyingly long diatribes on such issues that made me first express my fear of you.  .... 

That's seriously one of the best compliments I could ever have

i suppose that make you the templar torturer, and poor little becka is the naughty apprentice  

[Amondra]

 LOL Anders real true love:

[KnightofPhoenix]

kromify wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

beckaliz wrote...

And of course I remembered! It was your terrifyingly long diatribes on such issues that made me first express my fear of you.  .... 

That's seriously one of the best compliments I could ever have

i suppose that make you the templar torturer, and poor little becka is the naughty apprentice  

Not torturer. I prefer more subtle, psychological types of fear.

Like an interrogator.

[beckaliz]

kromify wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

beckaliz wrote...

And of course I remembered! It was your terrifyingly long diatribes on such issues that made me first express my fear of you.  .... 

That's seriously one of the best compliments I could ever have

i suppose that make you the templar torturer, and poor little becka is the naughty apprentice  

QUEUE THIS SONG

Mmmmm Depeche Mode.

Must think of a Depeche Mode song that fits Anders. Hmmmm.

Modifié par beckaliz, 28 juin 2011 - 10:06 .

[YamiSnuffles]

Amondra wrote...

 LOL Anders real true love:
-snip-

That's hilarious and adorable. It also makes me feel compelled to repost this: