KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Well the main divergence is that you think you can save or help him (as in either stabilize his situation or gradually improve it). I really don't think you can, no matter how good you are at helping people. Especially not with the context of what's happening around him, Maybe if you two were on a secluded island (dont' get excited), but even then I wouldn't be surprised if Vengeance decides that birds eating fish is unjust and starts going on a mad killinb spree.
Related to that. You think that him being a "new being" is actually a positive thing. He needs help and guidance, but that it's overall a good thing or at the very least not a bad thing (IIRC, that's how you described the whole Justice thing. That he is essentially an angel of Justice, while I see him as short sighted vengeance made manifest). I find him convenient and interesting to study, but I do not find anything positive about what he's become. For me, it's like a victim of a newly formed cancer, an analogy I think is fitting, as Vengeance sounds like a parasite to me that is overblowing emotional reactions like anger and hatred in the same ways cancer makes cell regeneration spin out of control. At first glance, it might look like a good thing, I mean better regeneration of cells! But it's a disaster (unless you're deadpool, then you're officially awesome). Worth studying for sure though.
And I really don't see the comparision lol sorry. Brook is broody and snarky, but other than that, I don't see what makes him similar to Anders. Anders of Awakening might have been a mix of Puck and Brook. Not the new Anders.
Nah, the Gargoyles comparison was more one of archetype, not of actual character similarities. I was playing silly games that were silly. The basic components of Anders to which I react most viscerally are his guilt and need for love, and his identity as a chaotic magical being. Drawing those parallels to that particular media was a clumsy cludge.
Anyway, I need to clarify my central tenet: I'm not certain I can help him. I wouldn't even say I think someone could probalby help him. I'm just interested in trying, for a little while.
I don't think it's possible to know whether or not he can be helped until we try all the most obvious methods, at the very least, and see if they result in any improvement. I don't think the merger was
good, but I think that part of what made it bad was the fact that Anders
thinks it's bad. His first reaction to the merger is 'this has gone horribly wrong' and less than a few months later, he's already decided that Justice is irrevocably corrupt, which I think hurts and angers Justice in a way that contributes to his decline. I think there may be a way to make it less bad for both of them.
There are only a few times we see or hear about Anders losing control where it is entirely inappropriate. In the first case (the Templars and Wardens in the short story), I think it's quite possible that they were all actively threatening Anders at the time, and he responded... more violently than he needed to. He wasn't used to ever deliberately harming even his captors, so that lead him to believe something had gone horribly wrong. The second instance we see is with that girl, and if you are there and have any kind of decent relationship with him, you can stop that easily. It's also in response to someone calling Justice a demon, which is the thing he is
literally the most frightened and distressed by. In this case, there is clear evidence that you being present can and does help.
The case of the Chantry Explosion... well. We already know we aren't going to agree on that. I'm going to leave it out for now.
I said that if things didn't get better, I'd walk, and I meant that. The fact that nobody has even properly tried to help in any productive way makes me wary of dismissing the possibility. Nobody has tried to get Anders to focus on managing his anger, and nobody has gotten satisfactory answers out of him about him and Justice 'disagreeing,' or what it feels like when Vengeance comes out. I feel like Vengeance is right now perfectly poised between spirit and demon, and there's nothing to say that the transformation can't go the other way.
Basically, I see Anders as someone with a problem everyone has pretty much dismissed it as untreatable. I'm not saying it's treatable, I'm saying I have a few things I might want to try. Until I see my specific ideas fail, I don't want to dismiss them as unworkable. I want to make sure that it's clear that I'm differentiating between certainty that I can help, and a willigness to try to help. You can't tell until you try. And the period of time I would spend trying would be interesting and pleasuable and educational enough to make it worth my time, until all my ideas have failed (and I walk) or we've found something that works (and I stay).
I don't think that the new being itself is positive. I just think that the new being is interesting, and that interesting is a huge plus.
I also feel like I don't have enough information yet to see whether this is a superpower or a cancer, or both. Figuring out which one it is is part of the fun.
But if you already feel like you have enough information to make a concrete decision that he is untreatable and that it's definitely a cancer, I can see how the whole thing would seem massively unappealing.
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