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[beckaliz]

 I can has sammich?  Killing Shades and Abominations is hungry work.

Edit: Dangit top!!

Ok, well, I'll indulge in some self-promotion and post this thing again.  Hur hur hur. {/lazy and shameless}

Modifié par beckaliz, 29 juin 2011 - 10:39 .

[kromify]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

Only a single page ago we were neck-deep in discussions on the nature of Anders/Justice/Janders and now... now.

This is why I love this thread so much. <3

have one of these

http://t1.gstatic.co...qA_uVyL-4_dIYjQ

[CulturalGeekGirl]

kromify wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

In a lot of ways, KoP reminds me of that one guy who takes 19th century romantic literature partially because he enjoys it and partially because he knows he'll be the only dude in a class full of educated ladies. In a good way, though. Those dudes are often much more savvy about the way the world works.

Also, Anders was totally that guy in the tower.
"Anders, why are you taking healing? That class is full of girls."
"So it is, boys. So it is."

then be stuck with a degree that doesn't suit in the name of notching the bedpost? i disagree

They're called electives! That guy never is actually after a degree in 19th century romantic literature! See also: the dude who takes Cooking instead of Shop class.

Though in the case of Anders, healing is actually a worthwhile pursuit, I was largely riffing on the stereotypical 'girls are healers' trend in fantasy. The problem with my real world example is that there are few largely female-dominated disciplines that are as blatantly practical and profitable as healing. So in the real world example, it's gotta be an elective! (Edit: Though another poster brought up that nursing works similarly in the real world... useful disciple, dominated by women. Still, it's not something you can just decide to pick up a class in while you're learning how to rule the world, or anything.) 

Analogies! They are imperfect. 

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 29 juin 2011 - 10:47 .

[kromify]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

They're called electives! That guy never is actually after a degree in 19th century romantic literature! See also: the dude who takes Home Ec instead of shop.

Though in the case of Anders, healing is actually a worthwhile degree. The problem with my real world example is that there are few largely female-dominated disciplines that are as blatantly practical as healing. In that case, it's the guy who takes a female-centric elective rather than the more male-dominated one.

americans! *muttergrumble*  why on earth would that be good way to run a degree program?? in my zoology degree i got choices between physiology, evolution, genetics and conservation. oh and forensics. that was fun! made me glad of a chemistry background... *goes on long ramble*

Modifié par kromify, 29 juin 2011 - 10:49 .

[YamiSnuffles]

I'd rather the guys who just happens to passionately love whatever it is he's studying. If it just happens to be something with lots of lovely, smart ladies around, then all the better. I figure that's more like Anders anyway. He decided to become a Healer because he thought it would be awesome, then found the awesome fringe benefit of becoming a hot commodity.

[kromify]

 i might have to call it a night now. or when my beautiful lullaby ends  

[CulturalGeekGirl]

@kromify

I'm also not going to go on a long rant about the weaknesses of pre-university education in the US except to say this: students often enter college without the composition skills and literary background that other systems instill more strongly.

That said, the "hard sciences" usually have slightly less of that nonsense. My brother is in pre-medical biology, and he ended up taking drama, stage combat, and creative writing, but they were all single-semester courses with very low time investment required. As a psych student I took several english and world lit courses, a cultural study of Brittany, and some light sociology and anthropology to round things out. I also took bio and chem, of course, and statistics. Anyway!

Point is, regardless of when in their education it occurs, some classes are full of girls, and the guys who pick up on that usually make out like crazy bandits.

@Queen-of-Stuff

My joke about the healing class being full of girls was the RPG and especially JRPG stereotype that women are healers. This is something that happens in MMOs too... healing PCs often have a higher female ratio than DPS.

It was also a riff on the joke that happens in every sit-com ever, where the guy takes the "girl elective" for whatever reason.

I wholeheartedly agree that every mage should try to learn healing (theoretically, in the context of the world) for may reasons including utility, value, the general harmlessness of the discipline, etc. I've long said that individual towns and cities should be allowed to determine whether they want to allow a "healer" to dwell within them, weighing in their own minds the risk of having a mage among them against the benefits of magical healing. These healers could even live in or near the Chantry, to make things even safer. The fact that such a system hasn't been put into place is, for me, one of the clearest signs that the Chantry's leaders care little about anything beyond maintaining its own grip on power and its own dogmas about mages.

/rant

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 29 juin 2011 - 11:07 .

[beckaliz]

Alright I feel gypped. If you let Anders go and side with the Templars, obviously he comes back and fights you, but no cut scene? Not even looting the body for some last love letter? Whaaaaaaat?

They've cheated me out of some dramaz. ;~; I guess that's what headcanon is for.

Sorry, carry on.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

River5 wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

In a lot of ways, KoP reminds me of that one guy who takes 19th century romantic literature partially because he enjoys it and partially because he knows he'll be the only dude in a class full of educated ladies. In a good way, though. Those dudes are often much more savvy about the way the world works.

Also, Anders was totally that guy in the tower.
"Anders, why are you taking healing? That class is full of girls."
"So it is, boys. So it is."

Yes, and then he got so used to being "one of the girls", that his first sexual encounter was with Karl!  Lol!

Joking aside, I can confirm that the only 3 men we had in a class of about 25 when I studied nursing didn't complain much. 

It's my headcanon that Anders was 'adopted' by a group of girls a few years older than he was when he arrived at the tower.

Thanks to you, it's also now my headcanon that they encouraged him to go after Karl after learning Karl was gay, in part because they thought it'd be "super hot." 


"I am so crushing on that Spirit Healing TA, Karl." 
"Totally. Those eyes, that hair, that stubble. Yum."
"Sadly from what I hear, he's an Empress of Orlais, if you know what I mean." 
"Damn, what a waste."
"I know right." 
"Hey, Anders, that means you totally have a shot!"
"Dooooo iiiiit. For us!" 

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 29 juin 2011 - 11:15 .

[kromify]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

@kromify

I'm also not going to go on a long rant about the weaknesses of pre-university education in the US except to say this: students often enter college without the composition skills and literary background that other systems instill more strongly.

That said, the "hard sciences" usually have slightly less of that nonsense. My brother is in pre-medical biology, and he ended up taking drama, stage combat, and creative writing, but they were all single-semester courses with very low time investment required. As a psych student I took several english and world lit courses, a cultural study of Brittany, and some light sociology and anthropology to round things out. I also took bio and chem, of course, and statistics. Anyway!

Point is, regardless of when in their education it occurs, some classes are full of girls, and the guys who pick up on that usually make out like crazy bandits.

i don't want to insult anybodys education - mine isn't perfect. (sorry if i did. )  i will say i took one module in geography -earth sciences, and i was just    for all of it. to be thrust into a different discipline with it's almost completely different language, skill set and way of thinking, and without the background needed, can be very disorienting.
on the other hand pushing one's self out of the comfort zone can be a beneficial and exciting experience.  if you catch my drift  


with that i'm off to bed - my song ended ages ago!

[maxernst]

@CGG, I agree that as it stands, the Circles don't do a very good job of "serving mankind" as Andraste instructed the mages to do. I suppose they serve mankind when they fight the Blight, but they didn't allow many mages to go to Ostagar, though I got the impression that the entire surviving Circle was sent to Denerim for the end battle.

That said, does magical healing have any advantages over herbalism? I suppose there's the lack of dependence on particular herbs, but I can't see why you wouldn't be able to farm elfroot and it seems to be fairly abundant naturally anyway. One of the things I find striking in the DA universe (at least as expressed in the games), is that magic seems to have very limited use outside of combat. Maybe it's just a game mechanic thing and they've drained out the non-combat magic with the non-combat gameplay, but it seems like there's remarkably little divination, communication or transportation magic, compared to most RPG systems. Illusions? Invisibility? I don't think we even see a simple light spell or a spell to open locked doors? The fact that crazy Grace whines about not being able to elude the Circle because they have no provisions (like that's my fault??), suggests that they don't have the ability to create food and water.

[YamiSnuffles]

Okay, I've gone into some major crack withdrawals. Ashyraine suggested I do a mash-up of young Magneto and Anders. I have made it so.

[maxernst]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...


@Queen-of-Stuff

My joke about the healing class being full of girls was the RPG and especially JRPG stereotype that women are healers. This is something that happens in MMOs too... healing PCs often have a higher female ratio than DPS.

It was also a riff on the joke that happens in every sit-com ever, where the guy takes the "girl elective" for whatever reason.

I wholeheartedly agree that every mage should try to learn healing (theoretically, in the context of the world) for may reasons including utility, value, the general harmlessness of the discipline, etc. I've long said that individual towns and cities should be allowed to determine whether they want to allow a "healer" to dwell within them, weighing in their own minds the risk of having a mage among them against the benefits of magical healing. These healers could even live in or near the Chantry, to make things even safer. The fact that such a system hasn't been put into place is, for me, one of the clearest signs that the Chantry's leaders care little about anything beyond maintaining its own grip on power and its own dogmas about mages.

/rant

... I cannot believe I need someone to explain a joke to me. I'm usually good at jokes. My mojo is slipping. I'll just go over in my shame corner and hang my head for a little while.

Don't even get me started on the topic of magic as a resource for the common public because there are so many possibilities it makes my head spin and that the Chantry shuts it all away makes me rage. Here you have people who can literally diagnose and cure diseases and repair serious bodily harm with their mind, an ability that most real-life doctors would foam at the mouth to have, in a world where medical and physiological science is at its baby stages, if even that. Healing magic at its current form is only scratching at its potential and look how much good it can do already. Anders alone manages to keep Darktown from becoming a mass grave and they rally around him in response. With more research, it can become so much more effective and specialized and just thinking about it makes me twitchy and I'm going to stop now before I go off.

Actually, come to think of it, Isolde says that they consulted mages for Arl Eamon's illness in DA:O.  Of course, they're not the common public.  Perhaps providing services to the wealthy is how they manage to support the Circle in Denerim, which seemed quite sumptuous.  Although as I said before, I don't actually know that mages can heal anything that a good herbalist can't in Thedas.

[ashyraine]

@Yamisnuffles Will you marry me? And Magnetanders?

[LadyVaJedi]

Well IMO Stan Lee said it best With Great power comes great responsibility. I think the chantry should be set-up like Hogwarts and not set-up and ran like a prison. People with magical talent didn't ask to born. Seeing how the religious leaders treat the mages isn't right.

[YamiSnuffles]

ashyraine wrote...

@Yamisnuffles Will you marry me? And Magnetanders?

\\

Silly, that's what the open thread marriage is for. Or is it already time yet again for another threadwide vow renewal?

[LadyVaJedi]

You go Yami! I see Anders as Old Ben Kanobi. ( crap I can't spell )

[River5]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

River5 wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

In a lot of ways, KoP reminds me of that one guy who takes 19th century romantic literature partially because he enjoys it and partially because he knows he'll be the only dude in a class full of educated ladies. In a good way, though. Those dudes are often much more savvy about the way the world works.

Also, Anders was totally that guy in the tower.
"Anders, why are you taking healing? That class is full of girls."
"So it is, boys. So it is."

Yes, and then he got so used to being "one of the girls", that his first sexual encounter was with Karl!  Lol!

Joking aside, I can confirm that the only 3 men we had in a class of about 25 when I studied nursing didn't complain much. 

It's my headcanon that Anders was 'adopted' by a group of girls a few years older than he was when he arrived at the tower.

Thanks to you, it's also now my headcanon that they encouraged him to go after Karl after learning Karl was gay, in part because they thought it'd be "super hot." 


"I am so crushing on that Spirit Healing TA, Karl." 
"Totally. Those eyes, that hair, that stubble. Yum."
"Sadly from what I hear, he's an Empress of Orlais, if you know what I mean." 
"Damn, what a waste."
"I know right." 
"Hey, Anders, that means you totally have a shot!"
"Dooooo iiiiit. For us!" 

ROTFLMAO!    I can totally see that happening!

"Pleeease Anders...  Then come back, and tell us all about it while we paint each other's toenails and braid our hair!"

The freaky part is that a bunch of nurses (myself included) on the unit where I used to work managed to play matchmaker between a gorgeous (but very shy) gay collegue, and that incredibly sweet, outgoing, bisexual inhalotherapist that came to the unit every now and then to administer treatments to COPD patients.

10 years later, they are still together...  Awww... 

[maxernst]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

maxernst wrote...

Actually, come to think of it, Isolde says that they consulted mages for Arl Eamon's illness in DA:O.  Of course, they're not the common public.  Perhaps providing services to the wealthy is how they manage to support the Circle in Denerim, which seemed quite sumptuous.  Although as I said before, I don't actually know that mages can heal anything that a good herbalist can't in Thedas.

Of course they can. Their magic can knit together flesh in an instant, cure diseases, fix injuries that are serious enough to kill and more. Herbalism doesn't come near touching that.

I saw injury kits in DA:O cure cracked skulls, torn jugulars and crushed arms nstantaneously as well.  i can't say about disease, but Myrthal's Favor in DA2 appears to do exactly the same thing as the abilities of Anders and Wynne to revive unconscious party members.