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maxernst wrote...

Sorry, this doesn't really have much to do with Anders...but, I say all evidence is that while some mages with exceptional relationships with the Fade (like Anders & Wynne) may have healing abilities that exceed the best herbalists, in general magical healing is, if anything, weaker in Thedas than herbs.  Though admittedly not limited by herb availability.


I disagree. I can't really get into an argument about it now because it's 03:30 AM here and I can't think out long wordy posts and even I need to sleep sometimes.

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Oh, no. That's horrible. And sadly, stories like that are too common.

Abuses committed against animals make me see red. When I was little, there was a kitten me and my mother encountered every day on my way to kindergarden - a small fluffy thing that was the most trusting cat you ever saw, approached everyone for a bit of comfort. My mother was so infatuated with it she wanted to take it home, but we couldn't, because we had another cat that did not like the company of rivals.

One day, however, the kitten was simply gone. Disappeared into thin air. Later, my mother would speak to an elderly lady and find out why - apparently she had witnessed a young boy kicking the cat so hard it made a resounding noise and sent the cat flying quite the distance. I don't know what happened later, but I imagine that it died from the injuries. It still disgusts me just as much as it did back then.

Also, I didn't think it was possible, but I like you even more now.


Disgusting. No other words to describe it. If that was my kid doing this. Oh boy.

I can accept cruelty as necessary. I can look at human atrocities objectively, study, analyse and write about them without flinching. I usually do not mind ruthlessness when it's warranted, in fact I end up espousing it.

But not when it comes to hurting animals like that. It's sadism, it serves no purpose or use, and if there is one thing I despise, it's sadism. 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 30 juin 2011 - 01:35 .


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maxernst wrote...

Sorry, this doesn't really have much to do with Anders...but, I say all evidence is that while some mages with exceptional relationships with the Fade (like Anders & Wynne) may have healing abilities that exceed the best herbalists, in general magical healing is, if anything, weaker in Thedas than herbs.  Though admittedly not limited by herb availability.

Given the huge gameplay/story segregation present in DA, I really don't think this is anything to go off. If there isn't much information regarding the exact applications of magic and herbalism in-lore, I think it's safer to say "we just don't know how exactly they are compared" instead of looking to gameplay for answers.

Basic common sense would say magic is more powerful than herbalism, though, so if that weren't the case, there would very likely be a direct in-lore statement highlighting that. It's not something that you would normally assume.

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ipgd wrote...
Basic common sense would say magic is more powerful than herbalism, though, so if that weren't the case, there would very likely be a direct in-lore statement highlighting that. It's not something that you would normally assume.


When you ask Lirene if the healer (Anders) is a mage, she says something like "Do you really think I'd stick my neck out for some purveyor of hensbane and leeches?".  I found that to be an interesting statement, but I'm not sure if she was exactly referring to herbalism or not.

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A proper pet.

For a more cheerful story about cats, one of the first conversations I can remember with one of my exes was him showing up in the common room of our dorm one night asking if we had anything to eat. I ended up making him something, and we had the following conversation:

"Thanks, I don't have anything back at my place except for cat food."
"Why... do you have cat food in your dorm?"
"In case I see a kitty."

After that several times we ended up going to find food for feral cats on campus. A year or so later, this constant preparedness would come in handy. Someone discovered a yearling cat wandering in one of the parking lots, and we took it back to our dorm (where no pets were allowed, but it was a small house with only about 22 people, so we could get away with it for a while.) The kitty lived in the downstairs girls' triple, and people would drop by there to visit it while we put up flyers and tried to figure out if it was just lost or really abandoned.

My ex developed a lifelong animosity with another one of our dorm-mates based on the fact that the other guy played with the cat slightly too roughly... he would pick it up and let it flip in the air to land on its feet. The cat seemed only very slightly irritated by this, but my ex never forgave that guy. Years later, whenever he comes up, my ex rages "why do you still talk with him?"

Eventually we either found the cat's owner or gave him to a professor to look after, once the RA 'fuzz' got onto us. Stupid no pets in student housing rule.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 30 juin 2011 - 01:51 .


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In the theme of cats, I found this while googling for Anders and kittens:

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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
My ex developed a lifelong animosity with another one of our dorm-mates based on the fact that the other guy played with the cat slightly too roughly... he would pick it up and let it flip in the air to land on its feet. The cat seemed only very slightly irritated by this, but my ex never forgave that guy. Years later, whenever he comes up, my ex rages "why do you still talk with him?"


You sure he was not jealous? Not for you, I mean the cat :D
Because my siblings and I had friendly rivalries when it came to our cats and who they liked more.
I won when one of them slept on my shoulder. Of course I couldn't move for 2 hours lol

But great story!
And I live in a stupid appt building that also forbids cats. Pff. I think I am going to break that rule soon.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 30 juin 2011 - 02:00 .


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I'm pretty sure his hatred is largely mild annoyance comically exaggerated into a blood feud.

I'm going to make sure they allow cats the next time I move. Previously I had a roomate who didn't like them, but now I have no reason not to.

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Kitties!

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I've just spent the better part of twenty minutes thinking about how I could put my foot in the 'door' and start posting regularly in this thread without feeling any sillier than I do right now, and this post was the best I could come up with.  I still feel pretty silly. But, lurking gets old after a time. :P

Really, I'm sort of terrified of posting.  You guys are like powerhouses or something similar and I'm sitting here all intimidated. 

Hi Anders thread.

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Hi Soapbubbles! Nice to meet you!

CGG, should I pull out the kitten and pie? Or is that just for comfort moments?

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Soapbubbles wrote...

I've just spent the better part of twenty minutes thinking about how I could put my foot in the 'door' and start posting regularly in this thread without feeling any sillier than I do right now, and this post was the best I could come up with.  I still feel pretty silly. But, lurking gets old after a time. :P

Really, I'm sort of terrified of posting.  You guys are like powerhouses or something similar and I'm sitting here all intimidated. 

Hi Anders thread.


Welcome! :wizard:

Being silly is a requirement to post here, so don't worry. It will be fun!

And if you want company, there is an open marriage here centered around me :P 

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How can it be an open marriage if it's centered around one man?

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 I'm not sure if I can rush into anything like that so quickly, it's only my first post.  I did spend three years dancing around Anders after all. :D

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beckaliz wrote...

How can it be an open marriage if it's centered around one man?


....Because I am that awesome? :devil:

Call it illusion of choice. RP reasons in your head.


Soapbubbles wrote...

 I'm not sure if I can rush into
anything like that so quickly, it's only my first post.  I did spend
three years dancing around Anders after all. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]


lol You'll have fun either way here. Hopefully.

So you liked Andersa lot from Awakening I take it?

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beckaliz wrote...

Hi Soapbubbles! Nice to meet you!

CGG, should I pull out the kitten and pie? Or is that just for comfort moments?


I'm going to say that kitten and pie is for all moments. Any moment you want.

Arg my rotator cuff injury has flared up again, so I'm very cranky. I would really super apperciate a boyfriend with crazy healing powers right now, you guys.

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I would totally put up with this, even.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 30 juin 2011 - 03:20 .


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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
Arg my rotator cuff injury has flared up again, so I'm very cranky. I would really super apperciate a boyfriend with crazy healing powers right now, you guys.


Hmm, I have an assistant who might be of....assistance.

I hear his voice alone is very soothing.

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OH GAWD SEVARIUS NOOOOOO

Wait. Sevarius is Tim Curry isn't he. I got into audiobooks just for HIS VOICE. alsdjflasjdfksadflajdf

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 @ Soapbubbles

Here's a kitten and pie as welcome!

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<3<3

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

YamiSnuffles wrote...
My only problem with the completely merged Janders theory is that there seems to still be moments of pure Justice. Like Justice popping out occassionally on the rival path to yell at Hawke. Or, in the Fade when only Justice is speaking. If they are completely one, why is there no discernable "Anders" at these points? Or, at the very least, why the voice change?


I believe a strong indicator that this might be a merger is in Act 3, when Anders is beratting Orsino. Justice "pops up" and speaks in perfect unison with Anders, something that never happened before as Anders was never aware what his alter ego wa doing or saying.

Which imo, coupled with the codex, makes  it look like more of an assimilation than a merger. I think Vengeance was taking over and Anders had no direct conscious control over it (but had indirect control via emotions).


I'm surprised Hawke never mentions investigating Anders' symbiosis with Justice in Tevinter or with the Rivanni seers in the storyline, since they would likely have a wealth of knowledge about mages merging with spirits (because of the longevity of the Imperium and Genitivi's writing about the seers merging with spirits for a milennia). Hawke lacks the knowledge to properly deal with Anders' situation, after all.

maxernst wrote...

I can handwave those things away without too much difficulty.  The PC and companion blood mages may only have the basics of blood magic down or simply believe that it's too dangerous to use the more extraordinarily abilities (which may also be why they aren't plagued by demons).  NPC blood mages are super powerful:  they can mind control large numbers of people, and summon huge numbers of shades.   You don't think Gaspard, Quentin, and that blood mage at the docks in Act 3 are uber-powerful?


I think it's simply an issue of game mechanics that are never meant to be reconciled with the actual storyline, which is why there's no apostate POV in the storyline for a mage Hawke, and how guards and templars "never see" Hawke using magic even when he uses it to save their lives. It would also explain why that blood mage on the docks is attacking an apostate Hawke who sided with the Circle of Kirkwall against the templars, unless he's pro-templar.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
Arg my rotator cuff injury has flared up again, so I'm very cranky. I would really super apperciate a boyfriend with crazy healing powers right now, you guys.


Hmm, I have an assistant who might be of....assistance.

I hear his voice alone is very soothing.


You know damn well which one of your assistants I'd prefer. Though really, I honestly don't care what kind of powers he has.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 30 juin 2011 - 03:26 .


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KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Welcome! :wizard:

Being silly is a requirement to post here, so don't worry. It will be fun!

And if you want company, there is an open marriage here centered around me :P 


I see you have now fully migrated your antagonist self to a new thread... :P

Though watching you endorse silliness is almost surreal.

*goes back to deh Radovid slide and will make him look silly*

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Too much Gargoyles going on in here now... I'm gonna have a fangasm and start posting way too much. I gonna have to leave. @_@

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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
You know damn well which one of your assistants I'd prefer. Though really, I honestly don't care what kind of powers he has.


He's too busy babysitting my kid.

BTW, don't you find it fascinating that David, when given the chance to wish for anything he wants, chose Owen instead of anything else? 
I personally don't interpret it as Xanatos loving Owen or necessarily caring about him that much instrinsically (though I do think he does care deeply). I think that Xanatos as a person sees the value in someone being useful / reliable / dependable and hates waste (he says that many times). That's why I think he valued Owen and not anything else.


Zjarcal wrote...
I see you have now fully migrated your antagonist self to a new thread... [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

Though watching you endorse silliness is almost surreal.

*goes back to deh Radovid slide and will make him look silly*

 
It was bound to happen sooner or later. I like Varric and Aveline more, but Anders ranks third and it's the most active (and has people I already like).

And nuuuh! Anyone but Radovid, he's my favorite in the game!

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 30 juin 2011 - 03:35 .


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beckaliz wrote...

Too much Gargoyles going on in here now... I'm gonna have a fangasm and start posting way too much. I gonna have to leave. @_@


Stay, for I'll give you the world!

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